The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - Part 6

[Creator]

any particular reason why?

It makes for a better movie, I'm no longer impressed by big action scenes (Better action scenes sure) and I hated The Avengers movie. All big on action and nothing else.

 

[TH29]

I got just what I wanted out of Avengers, think it had enough character work in between everything and paid off with the action, which is what I go to see a Comic book movie for most. The heroes in action.

 

[Creator]

I dont, i would take ILM over them anyday.That said Imageworks did great,to me there was nothing wrong with any of the cgi in ASM as opposed to the last trilogy. Also Ill never forgive Weta for that brontosaurus stampede scene which was one of the worst things committed to film.

Every VFX studio has a crap moment on film, but the majority of WETA is stuff is great. Same for ILM, however, it depends on who's directing the film, I thought the Yoda fight in the last film was crap, it happens.

 

[SpideyK]

Not to offend but myself I thought the fighting scenes in TASM looked like crap. The Lizard just didn't seem threatining at-all, on top of that there was barely any action or actual fighting scenes. It makes me wonder where all that money actually went, the budget was a gand total of 230 million dollars. I mean the Avengers was produced on less on a 220 million dollar budget and it looks 10 times better than TASM. What, was it the swinging, was it the shots of New York, was it the crappy looking Lizard that racked the budget up? I watched King Kong the other day, (produced on 207 million dollars) the effects in that are dazzling. It's a 3 hour movie with tons of action and CGI creatures not forgetting King Kong himself, great film in CGI effects and they obviously used the budget well and to great effect. If I had to guess TASM's cost from watching it I would say it was $130 million.

Let's hope that the Electro fight will be one to remember unlike the utterly forgettable SM v Lizard ones were.

I guess I'd have to somewhat agree on the Lizard not coming off as
particularly threatening.

I still think the fight scenes (and the rest of movie) looked pretty damn good. And words can't even begin to describe how freakin' awesome the swinging looked. Well possibly $230 million-awesome. That **** didn't exactly look cheap.

I mean...

 

[Creator]

I got just what I wanted out of Avengers, think it had enough character work in between everything and paid off with the action, which is what I go to see a Comic book movie for most. The heroes in action.

I got nothing from it, except more Robert Downey Jr. playing Robert Downey Jr.

 

[SM71]

While there may only have been a few action scenes in TASM, and they weren't particularly long, I loved every second of them and Spidey in action. I thought they looked visually stunning, and all choreographed and framed really well, almost kind of unorthodox actually compared to other typical action scenes in CBms. Despite being short, I still (after tons of viewings) eat up the action scenes in TASM, and am left wanting more instead of getting bored with endless action

While I could never get enough of Spidey in action, I actually kind of agree with Creator. Maybe not to the end of having less action, but I really don't want to lose the personality/intimacy of the first film to them trying to make the movie be 'bigger and better.'

 

[Creator]

Bigger and Better always seems to backfire on most directors and end up a big mess.

I don't need 8 buildings to blow up simultaneously as 50 cars burst into flames while a rocket crashes through the local Mall. Watch the movie The Bourne Identity, with those realistic looking non-CGI action scenes, that to me is better than 5 Avengers movie combined. It's not bigger but better.

Besides, Spider-Man simply doesn't work like a Star Wars or Avengers, it's characters are more important than its action scenes in order for it to work well. There's just so much more to Spider-Man than action.

 

[TH29]

I still think one of my favorite scenes is the first person POV when he is heading to oscorp, really gave you the best sense of what its like to be spidey, hope for a few more scenes like that. HATE that they cut the costume reveal POV scene short.

 

[TH29]

Still though while im not arguing your opinion, I will say for an Avengers movie to work and there to be a point to grouping them altogether, the threat has to be large enough to validate it. Avengers fighting one guy and hardly any stakes, seems pretty boring too, no? I mean they are so powerful, it HAS to be something HUGE for it to be compelling. Remember X2? a final battle of some weirdo in a wheel chair...no thanks. give me the explosions and fighting of avengers and even ASM.

 

[SpideyK]

While there may only

have been a few action scenes in TASM, and they weren't particularly long, I loved every second of them and Spidey in action. I thought they looked visually stunning, and all choreographed and framed really well, almost kind of unorthodox actually compared to other typical action scenes in CBms. Despite being short, I still (after tons of viewings) eat up the action scenes in TASM, and am left wanting more instead of getting bored with endless action

While I could never get enough of Spidey in action, I actually kind of agree with Creator. Maybe not to the end of having less action, but I really don't want to lose the personality/intimacy of the first film to them trying to make the movie be 'bigger and better.'

Well, as Dane said:

"It’s awesome. It really is. It’s human and it’s deep and it’s also epic and still a huge superhero movie. But it all makes sense and it all comes from very human elements and I think people are really going to love it".

 

[Creator]

Still though while im not arguing your opinion, I will say for an Avengers movie to work and there to be a point to grouping them altogether, the threat has to be large enough to validate it. Avengers fighting one guy and hardly any stakes, seems pretty boring too, no? I mean they are so powerful, it HAS to be something HUGE for it to be compelling. Remember X2? a final battle of some weirdo in a wheel chair...no thanks. give me the explosions and fighting of avengers and even ASM.

How ironic, I found X2 to be a much more compelling movie than The Avengers. I'm not afraid of explosions and fights, but if that's all you have to offer with a bunch of iconic characters running around, I can do without it.

 

[SonicWarrior]

What do you guys want to see in the way of action sequences? Personally I am hoping for at least one scene against a bunch of thugs. street crime is where spidey can absolutely own and show off the most. I'm talking about a scene similar to TSSM (the helicopter takedown after removing the black suit, the prison inmate fight in 212, and the Goblin henchman scene from the very last ep).QUOTE]

THIS^

 

[Repulsor Blast]

tasm1 squandered its budget somehow imo. i'd be curious to look at the books for that film lol. something tells me arad was to blame lol.

personally i expect sony to go bigger for the sequel. people digging the personal elements shouldnt worry, seeing as marc webb is still directing. if they'd replaced him then yea, i could see people being concerned.

i don't expect avengers scale of action. maybe spider-man 2 level? just make the action scenes less sporadic and lengthier, and go from there.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

How did it squander its budget?

 

[Repulsor Blast]

How did it squander its budget?

i dunno. i said "somehow". it's my opinion based on the scale and frequency of the action/cgi scenes. call it intuition. just doesn't look like a 200-230 million dollar movie to me. at all. like, if they said the budget was 100-150 million, i doubt anyone would have bat an eyelid.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

What budget did SM2 have?

 

[Repulsor Blast]

200 m according to wikipedia. Spider-man 1 had a budget of 140 m.

 

[TH29]

sm3 had like 300 million dollar budget...i know that much.

You need to take into account all the set design and extensive cgi cityscapes, etc. That bridge scene was NOT cheap.

 

[spider_shadow]

i dunno. i said "somehow". it's my opinion based on the scale and frequency of the action/cgi scenes. call it intuition. just doesn't look like a 200-230 million dollar movie to me. at all. like, if they said the budget was 100-150 million, i doubt anyone would have bat an eyelid.

This I believe is due to them focusing more on story and less on action due to it being the first movie.I also believe the CGI scenes could have been added in quickly later.Another factor is the characterization of lizard could have been a little deeper by making him part of a family like the comics.This is what could have made the movie more complete.

 

[spider_shadow]

sm3 had like 300 million dollar budget...i know that much.

You need to take into account all the set design and extensive cgi cityscapes, etc. That bridge scene was NOT cheap.

It was a good for movie for that time but I think they could have made it for a lesser budget.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

This I believe is due to them focusing more on story and less on action due to it being the first movie.I also believe the CGI scenes could have been added in quickly later.Another factor is the characterization of lizard could have been a little deeper by making him part of a family like the comics.This is what could have made the movie more complete.

while i agree with you, i'm not sure that this would have justified them spending 230 million.

if it went down like you said, then the film should have come in at under budget.

to me, somehow they spent 230 million dollars making the movie, and (again in my opinion, i am in no way a movie producer) it didn't show in the final product. either scenes were cut out and or shortened, or they simply avoided making the movie as efficiently as possible.

an analogy could be if i were a billionaire, and i paid someone 10 million to paint my house. sure i have the money, but i doubt anyone passing my place would go, "wow, look at that paint job, it must have cost upwards of 10 million to do that!"

it's kind of like how george lucas made the clone troopers cgi in ep3. it would have been cheaper and more efficient to make a few suits, but hey, he had the cash, so he went the other route.

 

[TH29]

alot of money def went into marketing too.

 

[spider_shadow]

while i agree with you, i'm not sure that this would have justified them spending 230 million.

if it went down like you said, then the film should have come in at under budget.

to me, somehow they spent 230 million dollars making the movie, and (again in my opinion, i am in no way a movie producer) it didn't show in the final product. either scenes were cut out and or shortened, or they simply avoided making the movie as efficiently as possible.

an analogy could be if i were a billionaire, and i paid someone 10 million to paint my house. sure i have the money, but i doubt anyone passing my place would go, "wow, look at that paint job, it must have cost upwards of 10 million to do that!"

it's kind of like how george lucas made the clone troopers cgi in ep3. it would have been cheaper and more efficient to make a few suits, but hey, he had the cash, so he went the other route.

I believe that is the case.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

The budget seems about right, it was bigger than SM2 and it was smaller than SM3. I don't think much was wasted?

And for the love of God can we stop blaming Arad for everything? He caused a hiccup with SM3, OK, we get it. Do we forget Spider-Man TAS, SM1, SM2, Iron Man, TIH, X-Men TAS, and so on?

 

[Repulsor Blast]

The budget seems about right, it was bigger than SM2 and it was smaller than SM3. I don't think much was wasted?

And for the love of God can we stop blaming Arad for everything? He caused a hiccup with SM3, OK, we get it. Do we forget Spider-Man TAS, SM1, SM2, Iron Man, TIH, X-Men TAS, and so on?

SM2 felt bigger to me, but to each their own.

Lol i hate on arad cos he's such a simpleton. just listen to him on the tasm1 commentary.