The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - - Part 86

[spiderral]

Just re-watched TASM2 yesterday, my 4th viewing overall.

I'm just going to splash out all my thoughts on here, probably one of the last times I will write a lot on this topic.

I certainly don't hate this film and don't fall into the category of people that actively hate on TASM2. I do understand that the movie does have its flaws though, which became more apparent to me after the initial viewing in the cinema.

I maintain that the first 30 mins of the film (or whenever it is just before Max transforms into Electro) is the best part of TASM2 (along with the final 30 mins too).

Certain elements of the film that bother me:

1) Electro’s wasted potential and his slightly obnoxious soundtrack; the dubstep and rapping/talking in his musical theme is just overdone, Zimmer and co. should have toned it down a lot. I do appreciate the creativity though and the effort made to not just create a generic soundtrack. The score really shines best in ever other moment, especially the more emotional ones.

2) Wasted Green Goblin plot; the writers really trapped themselves in a corner by killing off Norman Osborn so soon and letting Harry take up the Goblin mantle, find out Peter’s secret-identity and be responsible for starting up the Sinister Six. Dane Dehaan was great though, despite what he had to work with (and everyone else involved in the movie).

3) Peter’s lack of independence, clinginess to Gwen and obsession with his parents. Aunt May: “I wish your Uncle Ben was here [to see you graduate]. Peter: “Yeah... And my folks.” -_-

Despite these flaws, I can safely say that I enjoyed watching the film upon my 4th viewing, whether that’s because I knew exactly what to expect or the fact that I hadn’t seen it in nearly a year’s time or even both. Time just naturally flew by whilst watching TASM2 which I was glad for, having previously not really enjoyed the middle section of the movie and found it boring.

I loved The Amazing Spider-Man 2 when I first watched it on the big screen, so much so that I was excited to pre-order it on Blu-Ray. However, I was so disappointed after the second viewing to discover the film’s flaws that I seriously regretted my decision on having spent so much on the 3D Blu-Ray version of the film. However, I feel like I’ve just come to accept the film as it is and that not every movie can be as perfect as you want it to be. I know I won’t be throwing away my copy of the film anytime soon and that TASM2 will definitely be included in any Spider-Man movie marathon I will have in the future. Besides, it looks great along with my other physical copies of the Spider-Man films and if I can keep Spider-Man 3 on Blu-Ray at home then why not TASM2. XD

It would have been nice for a third, conclusive film to have capped the series off as a trilogy, redeemed TASM2 and given everyone else a shot at making a decent Spider-Man film but all in all, I’m glad these two TASM movies exist. I know they could have been drastically different and had a lot of potential to be something greater but I’m grateful that they explored more of the Spider-Man mythos on the silver screen and introduced a very talented cast (comprised of actors and actresses that I didn’t really know about but have come to really love watching). I really will miss Andrew Garfield’s charisma as Spider-Man and Emma Stone’s portrayal of the strong and charming Gwen Stacy.

Also, Emma is just beautiful in this film. I forgot how great she looked as Gwen.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Just re-watched TASM2 yesterday, my 4th viewing overall.

I'm just going to splash out all my thoughts on here, probably one of the last times I will write a lot on this topic.

I certainly don't hate this film and don't fall into the category of people that actively hate on TASM2. I do understand that the movie does have its flaws though, which became more apparent to me after the initial viewing in the cinema.

I maintain that the first 30 mins of the film (or whenever it is just before Max transforms into Electro) is the best part of TASM2 (along with the final 30 mins too).

Certain elements of the film that bother me:

1) Electro’s wasted potential and his slightly obnoxious soundtrack; the dubstep and rapping/talking in his musical theme is just overdone, Zimmer and co. should have toned it down a lot. I do appreciate the creativity though and the effort made to not just create a generic soundtrack. The score really shines best in ever other moment, especially the more emotional ones.

2) Wasted Green Goblin plot; the writers really trapped themselves in a corner by killing off Norman Osborn so soon and letting Harry take up the Goblin mantle, find out Peter’s secret-identity and be responsible for starting up the Sinister Six. Dane Dehaan was great though, despite what he had to work with (and everyone else involved in the movie).

3) Peter’s lack of independence, clinginess to Gwen and obsession with his parents. Aunt May: “I wish your Uncle Ben was here [to see you graduate]. Peter: “Yeah... And my folks.” -_-

Despite these flaws, I can safely say that I enjoyed watching the film upon my 4th viewing, whether that’s because I knew exactly what to expect or the fact that I hadn’t seen it in nearly a year’s time or even both. Time just naturally flew by whilst watching TASM2 which I was glad for, having previously not really enjoyed the middle section of the movie and found it boring.

I loved The Amazing Spider-Man 2 when I first watched it on the big screen, so much so that I was excited to pre-order it on Blu-Ray. However, I was so disappointed after the second viewing to discover the film’s flaws that I seriously regretted my decision on having spent so much on the 3D Blu-Ray version of the film. However, I feel like I’ve just come to accept the film as it is and that not every movie can be as perfect as you want it to be. I know I won’t be throwing away my copy of the film anytime soon and that TASM2 will definitely be included in any Spider-Man movie marathon I will have in the future. Besides, it looks great along with my other physical copies of the Spider-Man films and if I can keep Spider-Man 3 on Blu-Ray at home then why not TASM2. XD

It would have been nice for a third, conclusive film to have capped the series off as a trilogy, redeemed TASM2 and given everyone else a shot at making a decent Spider-Man film but all in all, I’m glad these two TASM movies exist. I know they could have been drastically different and had a lot of potential to be something greater but I’m grateful that they explored more of the Spider-Man mythos on the silver screen and introduced a very talented cast (comprised of actors and actresses that I didn’t really know about but have come to really love watching). I really will miss Andrew Garfield’s charisma as Spider-Man and Emma Stone’s portrayal of the strong and charming Gwen Stacy.

Also, Emma is just beautiful in this film. I forgot how great she looked as Gwen.

I've found that many of my thoughts on this film mirror yours, i.e. I loved the movie upon my initial viewing but as I watched the movie over again, the flaws became glaringly apparent and with each watch led to more and more dislike over it. I don't outright 'hate' ASM2 but I have almost no desire to ever watch it again. I'm indifferent to it. As much as there are positive elements to these films in the ASM series, I'm quite glad that it's over and we have something new and hopefully much better to look forward to.

1) Electro was completely wasted. He was supposed to be the main villain yet he was reduced to a plot pusher. I actually liked the idea they had with Max and being this outcast however they went too far with his visuals--talk about caricature appearances, geez; and they never really did anything interesting with the Max himself. The idea of him was good just not the implementation.

2) Putting Harry before Norman as the GG was something that turned out to be a wrong decision especially when you consider they finally got Chris Cooper in the role and they wasted him to nothing more than a cameo. Even GG ended being a cameo, well, basically. Just another plot pusher of a villain. Gotta have him show up just so he can kill Gwen When I heard the news initially about Harry being the GG, I was ok with the idea cause anything can be written well and make for an interesting twist--these are adaptations after all, but they screwed it up.

3) Peter lacked any real development along with the majority of the characters in this series.

And finally, to the emboldened...imo, the only redemption is what we have now--Peter/Spidey coming over to the MCU and having Marvel produce the next set of films. Based on the downward spiral that was occurring with the ASM series, ideas we've heard about what they had planned based on the leaked emails, i.e. Pete throwing the black suit in a trash can cause the S6 was laughing at him, ugh to Denis Leary stating they might have brought him back with a serum created by Peter that resurrects people , it really sounds like things probably would have gotten worse. Way worse. Arad's ego along with his *****ey minion, Tolmach, would have twisted the series into a massive hole from which I'm not even sure Marvel could dig out Spider-Man from--he probably would have been shelved for a decade.

 

[spiderral]

I've found that many of my thoughts on this film mirror yours, i.e. I loved the movie upon my initial viewing but as I watched the movie over again, the flaws became glaringly apparent and with each watch led to more and more dislike over it. I don't outright 'hate' ASM2 but I have almost no desire to ever watch it again. I'm indifferent to it. As much as there are positive elements to these films in the ASM series, I'm quite glad that it's over and we have something new and hopefully much better to look forward to.

1) Electro was completely wasted. He was supposed to be the main villain yet he was reduced to a plot pusher. I actually liked the idea they had with Max and being this outcast however they went too far with his visuals--talk about caricature appearances, geez; and they never really did anything interesting with the Max himself. The idea of him was good just not the implementation.

2) Putting Harry before Norman as the GG was something that turned out to be a wrong decision especially when you consider they finally got Chris Cooper in the role and they wasted him to nothing more than a cameo. Even GG ended being a cameo, well, basically. Just another plot pusher of a villain. Gotta have him show up just so he can kill Gwen When I heard the news initially about Harry being the GG, I was ok with the idea cause anything can be written well and make for an interesting twist--these are adaptations after all, but they screwed it up.

3) Peter lacked any real development along with the majority of the characters in this series.

And finally, to the emboldened...imo, the only redemption is what we have now--Peter/Spidey coming over to the MCU and having Marvel produce the next set of films. Based on the downward spiral that was occurring with the ASM series, ideas we've heard about what they had planned based on the leaked emails, i.e. Pete throwing the black suit in a trash can cause the S6 was laughing at him, ugh to Denis Leary stating they might have brought him back with a serum created by Peter that resurrects people , it really sounds like things probably would have gotten worse. Way worse. Arad's ego along with his *****ey minion, Tolmach, would have twisted the series into a massive hole from which I'm not even sure Marvel could dig out Spider-Man from--he probably would have been shelved for a decade.

I can definitely appreciate your thoughts towards the film.

Was that thing about the black suit actually real? Is there a link to this?

I think the fact that the deleted scenes (Peter's father being alive) showed how much of a mess the film was is also an indicator that maybe the series wouldn't have ended that well but I'd like to think that Sony would have hopefully came to their senses if they really wanted to make a decent, well-received Spider-Man film.

Of course, there's no denying that Spider-Man would have been safe at all with Avi Arad still around.

I'm still yet to be properly excited for MCU's solo Spidey film (I don't know how great the director and writers will be) but I know they won't let the real face of Marvel have a terrible solo movie.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I can definitely appreciate your thoughts towards the film.

Was that thing about the black suit actually real? Is there a link to this?

I think the fact that the deleted scenes (Peter's father being alive) showed how much of a mess the film was is also an indicator that maybe the series wouldn't have ended that well but I'd like to think that Sony would have hopefully came to their senses if they really wanted to make a decent, well-received Spider-Man film.

Of course, there's no denying that Spider-Man would have been safe at all with Avi Arad still around.

I'm still yet to be properly excited for MCU's solo Spidey film (I don't know how great the director and writers will be) but I know they won't let the real face of Marvel have a terrible solo movie.

Yes, the black suit bit is real. Here's a link from Spider-Man Crawlspace that talks about it and some of the other leaked info.

As for the planned Sinister Six spin-off, Tolmach wanted to introduce either Venom or Carnage as the main villain, as he didn’t think Venom was capable of supporting his own movie. Had it been Carnage, the idea was for Peter Parker to obtain his black suit and team-up with the Sinister Six. However, the Sinister Six would ridicule Spider-Man’s new duds, and out of embarrassment, Peter would abandon the costume, which would then be found by someone else, leading that person to become Venom.

http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/2014/12/13/more-details-of-sonys-spider-man-plans-from-hacked-e-mails/

I couldn't find the exact email that contained that specific info but you may find it located somewhere in this thread...http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=497383though I do remember it specifically stated he would throw the black suit into a garbage can because of being laughed at by the members of the S6.

There's reason to be concerned about the next installment of Spider-Man due to the resumes or lack thereof, from both the writers and director. But, with Marvel and Feige, there's also reason to maintain hope. With Sony and those same writers and director along with Arad and Tolmach, there'd be no hope. Only despair.

 

[Erzengel]

Team up with the Sinister Six?

The Sinister Six would ridicule Spider-Man's suit?

He throws it away and someone else finds it?

I didn't think it could have gotten worse than TASM2.

 

[spiderral]

Yes, the black suit bit is real. Here's a link from Spider-Man Crawlspace that talks about it and some of the other leaked info.



http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/...f-sonys-spider-man-plans-from-hacked-e-mails/

I couldn't find the exact email that contained that specific info but you may find it located somewhere in this thread...http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=497383though I do remember it specifically stated he would throw the black suit into a garbage can because of being laughed at by the members of the S6.

There's reason to be concerned about the next installment of Spider-Man due to the resumes or lack thereof, from both the writers and director. But, with Marvel and Feige, there's also reason to maintain hope. With Sony and those same writers and director along with Arad and Tolmach, there'd be no hope. Only despair.

I do remember reading about that now regarding the black suit! Thanks for reminding me t:

I guess the idea was so bad that my brain just erased it from my memory.

And I too am really hoping for the best with Marvel taking care of Spidey.

 

[samsnee]

Finally saw this for the first time. If I wasn't bored, I was angry. No characterization whatsoever except for whiny Peter. Everyone there is either to give exposition or just fill the scene until the next action scene. Electro literally only has 5 scenes I think. And God that ending. A man is shooting assault weapons, but let's just keep everyone behind a police barrier instead of moving them indoors and away.

Everyone involved in the making of this should be embarrassed. I award them no points and may God have mercy on their souls.

 

[Mandarin]

I only saw it in the theaters and i can't say i had a bad experience.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

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[harryoscop]

So I rewatched TASM2, and I still don't think it's as bad as people say, but it's definitly the worst Spidey movie. I think it ties up the Untold Story thing quite well. Dane was great as Harry & the Goblin, Electro and Rhino were laughable, there were a few plotholes, there was way too much damn world building, the tone/costume/music was nothing like TASM1 which really turns me off because there should be consistancy between movies, it didn't feel like a true sequel imo.

But it still isn't one of the worst CBM ever like some people say, just the worst Spidey movie I'd give it a 6/10.

 

[Lantern Venom]

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So I rewatched TASM2, and I still don't think it's as bad as people say, but it's definitly the worst Spidey movie. I think it ties up the Untold Story thing quite well. Dane was great as Harry & the Goblin, Electro and Rhino were laughable, there were a few plotholes, there was way too much damn world building, the tone/costume/music was nothing like TASM1 which really turns me off because there should be consistancy between movies, it didn't feel like a true sequel imo.

But it still isn't one of the worst CBM ever like some people say, just the worst Spidey movie I'd give it a 6/10.

I keep hearing comments about how bad TASM2's score was. 9 times out of ten, music makes no impression on me at all, so I'm going to rewatch the film at some point and actually pay attention to what has become so contested among Spidey fans.

 

[CB Fan]

Re-watched the film recently and Webbs/Foxx's Electro was like something I'd expect to be in a Schumacher movie Spider-Man film, absolutely horrible. Also wasn't a fan of killing off the elder Osborne but that's a personal gripe.

 

[spiderman2]

I keep hearing comments about how bad TASM2's score was. 9 times out of ten, music makes no impression on me at all, so I'm going to rewatch the film at some point and actually pay attention to what has become so contested among Spidey fans.

What? TASM2's score is one of the best scores in a superhero movie just amazing score! Now TASM1 that is another story its score sucked.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Re-watched the film recently and Webbs/Foxx's Electro was like something I'd expect to be in a Schumacher movie Spider-Man film, absolutely horrible. Also wasn't a fan of killing off the elder Osborne but that's a personal gripe.

Agreed. Electro so cheesy and bad. It worse they kill Norman because he very important villain to Spider-Man and they skip over him and get rid of him. Peter never even meet him.

 

[First Avenger]

What? TASM2's score is one of the best scores in a superhero movie just amazing score! Now TASM1 that is another story its score sucked.

The score was crap.

 

[Leenie]

Agreed. Electro so cheesy and bad. It worse they kill Norman because he very important villain to Spider-Man and they skip over him and get rid of him. Peter never even meet him.

The worst thing that Sony did was kill off Norman before he and Peter could even meet. Of all the problems I have with TASM2, that is probably my #1 most hated thing about the movie the more I think about it.

Casting Chris Cooper was the thing I was most excited about with TASM2. I think he's a great actor, and I thought he would have been great for the role. He was completely and utterly wasted, though. It's maddening.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

The worst thing that Sony did was kill off Norman before he and Peter could even meet. Of all the problems I have with TASM2, that is probably my #1 most hated thing about the movie the more I think about it.

Casting Chris Cooper was the thing I was most excited about with TASM2. I think he's a great actor, and I thought he would have been great for the role. He was completely and utterly wasted, though. It's maddening.

But, but, but they were saving that for the next movie

 

[Lantern Venom]

What? TASM2's score is one of the best scores in a superhero movie just amazing score! Now TASM1 that is another story its score sucked.

Many fans hated it, although I think many of those fans were inclined to dislike anything from the film. At some point, I'll really have to concentrate on what all the fuss is about.

 

[OcStat]

The score had it's moments but ASM1 is more memorable.

A friend and I were talking about this series, and I think I can say while Sony's collective heart was not into it from the get go as it should have been the movies had enough scenes that justify the series existence.

By the end of the TASM2 they had written themselves into a corner where only even more drastic deviations from the source material, which was excusable for the first movie but problematic for the sequel. The first Spider-Man movie where I left the theater being stumped as to what they could do next instead of endless possibilities coming to mind for the next movie. And that's despite the movie trying so hard to let you know the sequel is coming.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Many fans hated it, although I think many of those fans were inclined to dislike anything from the film. At some point, I'll really have to concentrate on what all the fuss is about.

My comment was not of hate, I just found a few notes in a horror movie theme (a nice melody) resemble notes from that Spider-Man track.

 

[spiderman2]

Many fans hated it, although I think many of those fans were inclined to dislike anything from the film. At some point, I'll really have to concentrate on what all the fuss is about.

Yep yep a lot of people just hated on like ever thing on this movie no matter how little or small of a problem something was people acted like it was a major problem. ASM2 has the 4th best soundtrack in any CBM of all time behind only the dark knight trilogy movies and ASM1 had one of the worst soundtracks of any CBM yet people didn't hate that one right.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Yep yep a lot of people just hated on like ever thing on this movie no matter how little or small of a problem something was people acted like it was a major problem. ASM2 has the 4th best soundtrack in any CBM of all time behind only the dark knight trilogy movies and ASM1 had one of the worst soundtracks of any CBM yet people didn't hate that one right.

Soundtrack in that film is amazing.

 

[The Joker]

TASM 1's sound track is a million times better than TASM 2's. Easily.

 

[spiderman2]

Soundtrack in that film is amazing.

The soundtrack in asm1 is the worst thing about the movie by far!

 

[Daltonio]

I don't really like to compare the two scores too much since I love both for different reasons, but I've gotta agree with spiderman2 that the ASM2 score was just amazing to me and one of the best things about the movie. Even though we're in the craziest time of superhero movies, almost all the scores these days are totally generic and boring to me. I couldn't think of a single MCU theme if I tried. But Hans Zimmer's ASM2 score was something different, something unique. It didn't sound like any other superhero score and it didn't try to be, it was it's own thing. And I think it worked very well with the movie.