The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 4

[Ms. Marvel]

Giamatti's Rhino was the only "campy" thing in the movie that bothered me.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I agree, the idea of the relationship was eye roll worthy. Good thing the actors almost made it work with their craft.

 

[TayDee]

Yeah... so judging by the internets chatter, this is set to be yet another divisive superhero entry ?

As for this silly Raimi vs Webb battle, both series have there strengths and weakness. Neither series I would say is Tobey Macguire and Andrew Garfield are both extremely faithful portrayals of Peter Parker. They just highlight different aspects. Overall I think Raimi had a better grasp on the interpersonal relationships that for the web, of Peter's life. His friends, co-workers, lovers, enemies, and family. Macguire really captured the geeky , underdog side , of Peter in which despite his flaws, you still wanted to root for the guy, and you still rooted for him. That's a very human aspect that the Raimi series got right , and you can't dismiss that . At the same time Webb is stronger with the one on one interactions. He's good with the individual moments when Peter is talking to one person, the intimate moments. Garfield really captures the cocky smack talking side of Spiderman, and really plays him off like a cocky newyorker.

Both series are Spiderman. Both series have cheese ball and corny moments. Both series have stronger and weaker entries. Both series have their heartfelt moments, and both directors clearly got the Peter Parker character. They both compliment each other as opposed to being at polar opposites. Raimi gave us an overall portrait of who Peter Parker was and what his life and world was like. Webb has explored more of those areas of his life that were taken for granted or couldn't be covered in the Raimi series. There's not some dramatic shift between them like there was between Chris Nolan and Burton/Schumacer.

Can everybody read this then shut up and talk about the film this thread is about and not some film that's currently not relevant.

 

[SpideyK]

And what's funny is ASM was filmed in 3D whereas ASM2 is a post-conversion to 3D and that worked out better.

Yeah, it's pretty weird.

And I've noticed that digital tends to be much "flatter" in nature, whereas film, tends to have much more "pop".

A perfect example:

ASM2

ASM

 

[DorneyDave]

The Amazing franchise has failed to really surpass the Raimi trilogy in any way though.

It's blown them away for me.

I doubt I can ever even watch the Raimi movies now, maybe just for "oh that's cute" kind of nostalgia trip.

 

[TayDee]

Yeah, I mean they had so much in common. The same backpacks, the same passion for lunchables.

 

[Visualiza]

Here's the thing...the TASM faithful are hypocrites not for preferring one brand of cheese over the other, but for their attitudes in the buildup to this film over the last couple years.

What was the rhetoric after the first movie came out? That the more grounded, less campy tone was perfect for Spider-Man, and then in came the exaggerated ridicule about how the cheese ruined the previous trilogy. You guys acted as if your preference in movies was more mature and on some higher echelon of film tier, and that camp & cheese was beneath you. Yet when this movie breaks, and proves to be the most ridiculous of all the Spidey films, you defend it to the hilt.

That's inconsistent to me. Sure, you can prefer one brand of cheese over the other, but back then, the prevailing, snooty little attitude was more along the lines of "I hate cheese in all its forms, not just Raimi cheese".

I've said before that this movie jumped the shark for its various inconsistencies and blunders, but now, I'll also say that the fans jumped the shark right along with it. A lot of what I'm seeing here proves that some of you will defend anything this franchise puts out unconditionally, and to me, that's a problem. I stepped out for a minute to take care of something and only skimmed the last several replies, but I'm fairly certain I read that someone already decided (and proudly, it seems) that they would love Rhino in the next entry as much as they did in this one. Nice to see that some minds are already made up, but that's very telling about one's mindset. Not to make this an us vs. them thing, but most Raimi fans will at least agree on the problems in that series, but the TASM faithful right now are acting like cultist zealots. This is the sort of thing I see from the Man of Steel diehards, who swear by the gods that their movie, as glaringly flawed as it was, is the best thing to ever grace the silver screen. Richard Donner be damned.

Sad to see some of my fellow Spider-Man fans sink to those levels, but I guess it's just a sign of the times. I've noticed that in the last two years or so, fans in general have become a lot more defensive about these properties...it's as if everyone has a phobia of admitting that they like a sub-par movie, so they go into attack mode during the fallout. I sincerely believe that if Green Lantern was released today, it would have a cultist defensive barricade not unlike that of this movie and Man of Steel, and I'm sure I'd see a handful of members calling it the best genre film ever in their sigs...until the inevitable sequel, anyway.

 

[SpideyK]

And again, 8 years.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Are you saying Peter and Harry are the Dorthy and Toto of comic book films?

 

[TayDee]

Here's the thing...the TASM faithful are hypocrites not for preferring one brand of cheese over the other, but for their attitudes in the buildup to this film over the last couple years.

What was the rhetoric after the first movie came out? That the more grounded, less campy tone was perfect for Spider-Man, and then in came the exaggerated ridicule about how the cheese ruined the previous trilogy. You guys acted as if your preference in movies was more mature and on some higher echelon of film tier, and that camp & cheese was beneath you. Yet when this movie breaks, and proves to be the most ridiculous of all the Spidey films, you defend it to the hilt.

That's inconsistent to me. Sure, you can prefer one brand of cheese over the other, but back then, the prevailing, snooty little attitude was more along the lines of "I hate cheese in all its forms, not just Raimi cheese".

I've said before that this movie jumped the shark for its various inconsistencies and blunders, but now, I'll also say that the fans jumped the shark right along with it. A lot of what I'm seeing here proves that some of you will defend anything this franchise puts out unconditionally, and to me, that's a problem. I stepped out for a minute to take care of something and only skimmed the last several replies, but I'm fairly certain I read that someone already decided (and proudly, it seems) that they would love Rhino in the next entry as much as they did in this one. Nice to see that some minds are already made up, but that's very telling about one's mindset. Not to make this an us vs. them thing, but most Raimi fans will at least agree on the problems in that series, but the TASM faithful right now are acting like cultist zealots. This is the sort of thing I see from the Man of Steel diehards, who swear by the gods that their movie, as glaringly flawed as it was, is the best thing to ever grace the silver screen. Richard Donner be damned.

Sad to see some of my fellow Spider-Man fans sink to those levels, but I guess it's just a sign of the times. I've noticed that in the last two years or so, fans in general have become a lot more defensive about these properties...it's as if everyone has a phobia of admitting that they like a sub-par movie, so they go into attack mode during the fallout. I sincerely believe that if Green Lantern was released today, it would have a cultist defensive barricade not unlike that of this movie and Man of Steel, and I'm sure I'd see a handful of members calling it the best genre film ever in their sigs...until the inevitable sequel, anyway.

Great generalizations. You have all the answers.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Here's the thing...the TASM faithful are hypocrites not for preferring one brand of cheese over the other, but for their attitudes in the buildup to this film over the last couple years.

What was the rhetoric after the first movie came out? That the more grounded, less campy tone was perfect for Spider-Man, and then in came the exaggerated ridicule about how the cheese ruined the previous trilogy. You guys acted as if your preference in movies was more mature and on some higher echelon of film tier, and that camp & cheese was beneath you. Yet when this movie breaks, and proves to be the most ridiculous of all the Spidey films, you defend it to the hilt.

Giving that what you say is pretty opinionated you are acting like fans are liking it for wrong reasons and are so desperate to like it but that's an insult in itself really

 

[SpideyK]

Are you saying Peter and Harry are the Dorthy and Toto of comic book films?

On second thought, I probably didn't understand any references.

I thought you were making a reference to when Peter corrects Harry and says it was "8 years since they last met". Guess you weren't, hah.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I love how the answer to film questions are always, "well like for some in real life, it could totally happen". Even if in the film, there is nothing to grab onto. Better to simply have the film tell of this great friendship then actually have the film show it to us. Not like film is visual medium.

 

[DigificWriter]

Cross-posting my full review of the film from the General Discussion thread.

A few days ago, I saw people negatively making comparisons between the movie and the Joel Schumacher Batman films, and while I initially dismissed that, I actually think the comparison is valid on the surface, at least as far as Batman Forever is concerned.

Looking back on TASM1, I think it tried to strike a tone that was a combination of Tim Burton's Batman and Batman Returns, albeit without the macabre fantasy that Burton indulged in to the nth degree with the latter, and TASM2 takes that gritty tonal quality and injects much more humor and lightheartedness while still keeping the grit in the background, which is exactly what Batman Forever does.

In terms of the story, I thought Electro made for a very good primary villain and a good reflection of the downside of fame, although the Harry subplot was admittedly the more interesting because it was more introspective. I also liked the way the story used the Peter/Gwen relationship to illustrate the characters' growing maturity and build off of the end of TASM1 when Peter chooses to be immature and break his promise to Capt. Stacy.

Gwen's death and the circumstances surrounding it were handled really nicely, and Webb and Co. perfectly and fittingly captured the spirit and pathos of the 'Night Gwen Stacy Died' arc while also putting their own spin on it.

I also really liked getting the resolution to Peter's search for answers about why his parents abandoned him.

I also want to retract my statement from yesterday that the film was qualitatively on par with Raimi's Spider-Man 2. TASM2 is a really good film, but SM2 is really in a class by itself.

Ratings-wise, I'd give the movie an 8.5. It's better than TASM1, and is a film that I think will end up being better-appreciated farther along the line the way that Batman Forever now is, especially once audiences get the chance to truly track the escalation of the story uninterrupted through the medium of home video.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Giving that what you say is pretty opinionated you are acting like fans are liking it for wrong reasons and are so desperate to like it but that's an insult in itself really

Yeah,just ignore it

 

[Joe_Kickass]

Yeah, it's pretty weird.

And I've noticed that digital tends to be much "flatter" in nature, whereas film, tends to have much more "pop".

A perfect example:

ASM2

ASM

That has to do with post production coloring choices though. Digital is much less tedious and much more malleable than film.

 

[TeeKay]

Well if I go that route because my annoyance for the Raimi films then so be it

You can't be serious. But whatever.

C-Lee is not gonna like coming Into this thread.

He now wields Mljonir, he's not gonna be happy at all.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Yeah,just ignore it

Yeah, you can't get bothered over little posts like that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

On second thought, I probably didn't understand any references.

I thought you were making a reference to when Peter corrects Harry and says it was "8 years since they last met". Guess you weren't, hah.

No you got it. I was trying to keep it going, and failed horribly.

As I said, I thought their reunion scene was quite cute. The uni-brow line being the biggest winner.

 

[TayDee]

I love how the answer to film questions are always, "well like for some in real life, it could totally happen". Even if in the film, there is nothing to grab onto. Better to simply have the film tell of this great friendship then actually have the film show it to us. Not like film is visual medium.

What is it that you need to see? Holding hands? Going to Starbucks together?

 

[Joe_Kickass]

Yeah,just ignore it

Yeah, just ignore 3/4 of the forum. Only read the comments you agree with. That's what discussion threads are for. To only discuss why you loved the movie.

 

[TayDee]

Yeah, just ignore 3/4 of the forum. Only read the comments you agree with. That's what discussion threads are for. To only discuss why you loved the movie.

Very accurate statistic. Good job!

 

[Joe_Kickass]

What is it that you need to see? Holding hands? Going to Starbucks together?

Something a little more than an out of seemingly nowhere 2 minute scene? Lol just boil it down to:

Peter: We were friends once.
Harry: Yeah.
Peter: Do you wanna be friends again?
Harry: *shrugs*...I guess.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Yeah, just ignore 3/4 of the forum. Only read the comments you agree with. That's what discussion threads are for. To only discuss why you loved the movie.

Funny how you generalizes
I read all comments genious but i don't will reply to all of them.