The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 4

[spider-neil]

I don't see how that excuses a piss poor final product.

Hey, I enjoyed it, so at least one person didn't think it was piss poor

 

[TayDee]

How many great films add completely new plot lines while doing that?

Give me an example of the films that's done it and I'll tell you. You're making it seem like this is a new invention.

 

[Visualiza]

Saw it for the 4th time today and when it was over my first thought was, 'I want to see it again'.

Nice. I think the most I've seen a flick in theaters has been 3.

You're really being overly dramatic about this "outside world" you're talking about.

According to who, you? I'm hurt.

Explain to me why a more believable, fleshed-out world would be less stimulating and beneficial to the character than the bubble of "protagonist and love interest".

Try it without being crass this time.

Hey, I enjoyed it, so at least one person didn't think it was piss poor

Nothing wrong with that. I certainly wasn't attempting to speak for anyone but myself.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

Give me an example of the films that's done it and I'll tell you.

What? Lol

 

[Secret_Riddle]

He was mentioned at least 3 times by my count.

Yupp. May even draws a comparison between the loss of Ben and the loss of Gwen at the end of the film. She uses what she learnt from coping with Ben's death to help Peter start to move on. It's about remembering who they were and what they stood for, but not becoming stuck in the past.

Great scene, by the way.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Give me an example of the films that's done it and I'll tell you. You're making it seem like this is a new invention.

You were the one defending the idea that what they did is normal, nature and a good idea. Now I would like you to show me examples. You don't have to of course, but then don't go around like we all don't know how movies are made. I understand film production. I also understand that the vast majority of reshoots and pickups are done when a scene needs to changed or after a cut is the film is scene, and the film is not working without certain scenes.

Here we have changes and additions made by the studio specifically for the purpose of setting up future films. It has nothing to do with the story or quality of this film.

 

[TayDee]

Nice. I think the most I've seen a flick in theaters has been 3.



According to who, you? I'm hurt.

Explain to me why a more believable, fleshed-out world would be less stimulating and beneficial to the character than the bubble of "protagonist and love interest".

Try it without being crass this time.



Nothing wrong with that. I certainly wasn't attempting to speak for anyone but myself.

Throwing in more characters in there doesn't mean the world is more fleshed out. There were plenty of characters in this film as is. Sequels can always introduce more characters like Liz, bringing Flash back and all that.

 

[TayDee]

You were the one defending the idea that what they did is normal, nature and a good idea. Now I would like you to show me examples. You don't have to of course, but then don't go around like we all don't know how movies are made. I understand film production. I also understand that the vast majority of reshoots and pickups are done when a scene needs to changed or after a cut is the film is scene, and the film is not working without certain scenes.

Here we have changes and additions made by the studio specifically for the purpose of setting up future films. It has nothing to do with the story or quality of this film.

I didn't say it's a good idea. I said it isn't anything new, so I don't see why everyone is shocked.

 

[TeeKay]

I didn't say it's a good idea. I said it isn't anything new, so I don't see why everyone is shocked.

Considering the fact that it felts like I was watching a totally different movie at times, I'm not sure how that's a good thing tbh.

 

[TayDee]

Considering the fact that it felts like I was watching a totally different movie at times, I'm not sure how that's a good thing tbh.

Never said it was a good idea.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I didn't say it's a good idea. I said it isn't anything new, so I don't see why everyone is shocked.

These type of re-shoots and pickups are rare. Very rare. As in I am having trouble remembering any at the moment outside of the disaster that was the new 47 Ronin film. You know, a film where they hijacked the plot and added a lot for Keanu's character just because the studio wasn't happy with the lack of Keanu.

But again you are the one saying it is common place, so what other films have done this and it has worked out for?

 

[TeeKay]

Never said it was a good idea.

Never said you did.

 

[TayDee]

These type of re-shoots and pickups are rare. Very rare. As in I am having trouble remember any at the moment outside of the disaster that was the new 47 Ronin film. You know, a film where they hijacked the plot and added a lot for Keanu's character just because the studio wasn't happy with the lack of Keanu.

But again you are the one saying it is common place, so what other films have done this and it has worked out for?

I don't follow every film. I only pay attention to cbm's like this.

 

[TayDee]

Never said you did.

My bad

 

[elsewhere]

Well that was a bloated mess.

With that said, I still found it enjoyable. 7/10

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't follow every film. I only pay attention to cbm's like this.

So why are you giving us all lessons on how not rare this is?

 

[TeeKay]

 

[TayDee]

So why are you giving us all lessons on how not rare this is?

Would it have been better if I would've said it shouldn't be surprising? Because it's really not. Don't care how rare it is.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Would it have been better if I would've said it shouldn't be surprising? Because it's really not. Don't care how rare it is.

Oh, it isn't surprising after watch this film. Not with how all over the place the film is. The lack of a strong narrative thread. Not a surprise at all.

 

[Visualiza]

Throwing in more characters in there doesn't mean the world is more fleshed out.

Uh...in a movie like this, whereby the lifestyles of each lead actor are relegated to a sentence and an easter eggl, then it would certainly help, especially when said characters are an important part of the mythos. Aside from that, you're trivializing my message. I never said "toss in a bunch of random people, lulz". I'm specifically speaking to things that would affect the protagonists, as in, not just people, but their environment as well. Where the hell was the daily bugle? Empire State U? A news stand for crying out loud? Seems like there were a grand total of three locales in this movie - Oscorp, Times Square, and Peter's room.

There were plenty of characters in this film as is. Sequels can always introduce more characters like Liz, bringing Flash back and all that.

Well, guess what? This was a sequel. I'm sick and tired of that being the excuse for these movies' short comings.

"Hey, wait for the next one"
"Oh that'll be in the sequel to the sequel"
"This character was only mentioned because you know he's coming in the sequel"
"This plot thread will be continued/resolved in the sequel"

That's no way to tell a story in the here and now. Heard the same crap with Man of Steel last year, and with TASM before that. All these sequels seem to be doing is proving the fan speculation wrong.

 

[Visualiza]

So why are you giving us all lessons on how not rare this is?

I'm starting to think that this fella is content to just argue in circles aimlessly, rather than present any sort of meaningful conclusion.

 

[sephiroth61787]

Seeing it again in a few hours with friends. Can't wait!

As for the Rhino discussion, maybe he was stealing the plutonium for someone else/for some other purpose? We're not given a reason as to why he wanted it in the first place, so it's not really convoluted....

 

[TayDee]

Uh...in a movie like this, whereby the lifestyles of each lead actor are relegated to a sentence and an easter eggl, then it would certainly help, especially when said characters are an important part of the mythos. Aside from that, you're trivializing my message. I never said "toss in a bunch of random people, lulz". I'm specifically speaking to things that would affect the protagonists, as in, not just people, but their environment as well. Where the hell was the daily bugle? Empire State U? A news stand for crying out loud? Seems like there were a grand total of three locales in this movie - Oscorp, Times Square, and Peter's room.

But why did the Bugle and Empire State U need to be shown in this film? They don't serve a purpose yet. Just them being there doesn't do much.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The only problem I had with the no Bugle, was the teasing of JJJ. It was like an excuse for why Peter has money, without having to show him working. A bit lazy and they teased JJJ, without any intention of showing him.

 

[Visualiza]

The only problem I had with the no Bugle, was the teasing of JJJ. It was like an excuse for why Peter has money, without having to show him working. A bit lazy and they teased JJJ, without any intention of showing him.

Indeed. Fairly representative of the writing on the whole.