The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 5

[socool]

It was probably just an early draft, I have more confidence in Cameron than Nolan when it comes to creating an over the top world which is what Spiderman is. Can you imagine Spidey with a clunky fighting style like Batman in TDK trilogy? lol

Lol, that's a horrible comparison. Fighting choreography has NOTHING to do with the script. And just because he directed Batman's fighting style that way (which worked perfectly for Batman) doesn't mean that's his go-to fighting style. Remember that AWESOME fight scene in Inception where the hallway constantly shifted? Yeah, nothing there was over the top. In fact, that whole movie was probably the most scary realistic thing ever.

I'm pretty sure I can file this under the literal definition of grasping for straws.

 

[Spider-knight]

Lol, that's a horrible comparison. Fighting choreography has NOTHING to do with the script. And just because he directed Batman's fighting style that way (which worked perfectly for Batman) doesn't mean that's his go-to fighting style. Remember that AWESOME fight scene in Inception where the hallway constantly shifted? Yeah, nothing there was over the top. In fact, that whole movie was probably the most scary realistic thing ever.

I'm pretty sure I can file this under the literal definition of grasping for straws.

yeah, nolan could work best for jessica jones and moon knight

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Okay. I'm gonna attempt to spin the web of my opinions on this film. It's a big one for me because the first ASM film was the reason I joined this board in 2012. And my excitement for the Spidey Cinematic Universe has ramped up every day since.

I went into the film knowing Gwen was to die. I spoiled that for myself and while I felt that it was unfortunate (because I wanted her to last until ASM3 due to the Stone/Garfield chemistry, my love for the character and my desire for decompression in this series) I was willing to accept it and had no negative feelings toward the movie before seeing it. Nor while seeing it for that matter.

Might as well start at the end and work my way back. I loved the death scene I thought the end of the film was just non-stop full throttle emotion. Electro battle scene was awesome, it was great that Gwen made her choice and wanted to help. I think Dehaan's Goblin character was great. His acting is phenomenal. But I don't love that he's the goblin. Especially if Norman is truly dead for good.

Which brings me to the major reasons I'm torn with this film. It is a good film. Right?

I mean, the acting is great. Garfield, Stone, Field, Foxx, Dehaan, Giamatti, Cooper, even Feore, Novak, Jones and Csokas were a pleasure to watch. No problems there.

The directing, everything from action scenes, love scenes, death scenes, everything was fantastic. Spider-Man has never looked more like Spider-Man. I didnt cry but I came close and that's saying something. I love Webb. 500 days of summer and the first ASM were personal favorites. He seems to get my generation.

The music is also freaking phenomenal. The soundtrack (just like ASM1) is really cool, dare I say it "hip." And what Pharell and Zimmer did with he score is perfect.

The story is also just fine. It's more engaging to me than Raimi's and please don't take this as me insulting Raimi, those movies are good for what they are. To me the two films have been cohesive and I'm excited to see what comes next.

So what is wrong with this film?? And why am I forced to give not only this film an 8/10 but drop my score of the first film to 8/10? I almost want to blame the marketing. The marketing for the first film was also terrible. Advertising scenes that didn't exist, lines of dialogue that didnt appear in the film and spoiling the mid credits scene in the trailers! Unforgivable! Yet I forgave it for 2 years. And now they did it all over again! They teased Gwen's death WAY too profusely. They truly spoiled the appearance of Goblin even though he should have been a surprise. Why do this? Who benefits from any of this?

I almost want to blame Sony or Avi Arad for stuffing so many villains in again when it worked SO well with Spider-Man 3. Utter stupidity. Although I didn't even have a huge problem with it in this film. It's just so unnecessary. Make Electro THE antagonist. He's a good enough villain for it.

IDK. I gotta keep on thinking it over. I like the film. I had a blast seeing it. It's still in the top two Spider-Man films in my eyes (TASM1 probably has the edge over this one).

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Great review! :

And yeah.. I love them both but i can't decide witch one is the best.

 

[Flint Marko]

It was probably just an early draft, I have more confidence in Cameron than Nolan when it comes to creating an over the top world which is what Spiderman is. Can you imagine Spidey with a clunky fighting style like Batman in TDK trilogy? lol

Even if it was an "early draft" (which I don't think it was), it was laughably bad.
I think James Cameron could make a decent Spider-man movie if given the opportunity, but he would need to be kept in check to make sure he didn't do anything outlandish.

 

[Spider-knight]

Even if it was an "early draft" (which I don't think it was), it was laughably bad.
I think James Cameron could make a decent Spider-man movie if given the opportunity, but he would need to be kept in check to make sure he didn't do anything outlandish.

yeah, what kind of guy would make a spiderman porno movie, make it rated R, and even hate the second draft where doc ock is played by arnold schawzenager. not i am not making this up and his catchphrase is okey dokey. i have no idea what was on his mind but this guy needs to stay away from every superhero movie.

 

[Hoorayforeric]

It's simple, Disney's Marvel is the real deal. All others will never live up, now. If Disney made a game system, would you buy theirs or Sony's? It's painful that Spidey is not I. The Avengers world. Same could be said for Xmen and Fantasticfour. Although, I don't think Disney wants Xmen. Too many characters.

 

[Par Avion]

I know. I feel like Orci and Kurtzman are just the cheapest writers Sony can find. There is literally no other reason to hire them. They have no track record whatsoever, and helped ruin this film. So, I have no clue why Sony still have them. It boggles my mind. Though, a huge part of me still expects a rewrite announcement in the next few weeks.



...every damn thread.

Oh, but they do. They have quite the record of writing big, summer box-office hits that earn boatloads of money (quality of said hits unaccounted for). Where's that picture of Avi Arad with dollar signs in his eyes?

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Lol, that's a horrible comparison. Fighting choreography has NOTHING to do with the script. And just because he directed Batman's fighting style that way (which worked perfectly for Batman) doesn't mean that's his go-to fighting style. Remember that AWESOME fight scene in Inception where the hallway constantly shifted? Yeah, nothing there was over the top. In fact, that whole movie was probably the most scary realistic thing ever.

I'm pretty sure I can file this under the literal definition of grasping for straws.

Well some people hated the original trilogy because it didn't have jokes, so having bad action scenes is a big deal. That Inception scene was great but not because of the choreograophy. Nolan isn't that good of a writter either, his movies usually have too much unnecesary stuff going on. I wouldn't want him doing a Spiderman movie because of the action AND because he has a hard time creating believable human characters and dialogue and with Spiderman that's the most important thing.

I'm pretty sure I can file this under the literal definition of being extremely defensive.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Even if it was an "early draft" (which I don't think it was), it was laughably bad.
I think James Cameron could make a decent Spider-man movie if given the opportunity, but he would need to be kept in check to make sure he didn't do anything outlandish.

Well even final scripts are usually different than the finished movie and James Cameron has never made a bad movie except with arguably Avatar but that movie achieved what he wanted to achieve so it doesn't really count. It would be hard for me to believe he would screw that up considering its his favorite superhero.

 

[chaseter]

James Cameron is notoriously full of himself so keep that away from Spider-Man thx.

 

[Flint Marko]

Well even final scripts are usually different than the finished movie and James Cameron has never made a bad movie except with arguably Avatar but that movie achieved what he wanted to achieve so it doesn't really count. It would be hard for me to believe he would screw that up considering its his favorite superhero.

How can you say any of this when you haven't read the script? I'm aware of how different the finished product can sometimes be, but his treatment was awful through and through. No two ways about it. It'd be tough to salvage anything from what he wrote.
Don't believe me, see for yourself.

 

[Par Avion]

Even if it was an "early draft" (which I don't think it was), it was laughably bad.
I think James Cameron could make a decent Spider-man movie if given the opportunity, but he would need to be kept in check to make sure he didn't do anything outlandish.

The James Cameron "scriptment" was indeed a very early draft intended to provide his "vision" for the character.

Well some people hated the original trilogy because it didn't have jokes, so having bad action scenes is a big deal. That Inception scene was great but not because of the choreograophy. Nolan isn't that good of a writter either, his movies usually have too much unnecesary stuff going on. I wouldn't want him doing a Spiderman movie because of the action AND because he has a hard time creating believable human characters and dialogue and with Spiderman that's the most important thing.

I'm pretty sure I can file this under the literal definition of being extremely defensive.

Any single one of Nolan's films buries the TASM films. "Too much unnecessary stuff going on?" His scripts aren't without flaws, but they are tight and they accomplish exactly what they need to. I sure hope you don't make a comment about "unnecessary stuff" and then turn around and priase TASM2, because that film is the poster child to "too much unnecessary stuff".

James Cameron is notoriously full of himself so keep that away from Spider-Man thx.

Same with Tarantino, but hey, they get results.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

LOL Tarantino doing a SM film

"I like the way you fry, boy"

"SAY THE GREEN GOBLIN ONE MORE MF'N TIME."

Also, great post, Par Avion.

 

[Par Avion]

How can you say any of this when you haven't read the script? I'm aware of how different the finished product can sometimes be, but his treatment was awful through and through. No two ways about it. It'd be tough to salvage anything from what he wrote.
Don't believe me, see for yourself.

Are you talking about the one featuring the Sandman and "Electro" from the early 90's?

The Doc Ock script was very old, written by 3 other writers. Cameron submitted his own draft later. With a few tweaks, it could have made for a fine film.

 

[Flint Marko]

The James Cameron "scriptment" was indeed a very early draft intended to provide his "vision" for the character.

I stand corrected then.
Either way it doesn't change my original point; the movie he would have made back then would have been pretty rough. That's all I was saying.
Maybe now he'd make a different one that would be much better but it's all conjecture.

 

[Par Avion]

I stand corrected then.
Either way it doesn't change my original point; the movie he would have made back then would have been pretty rough. That's all I was saying.
Maybe now he'd make a different one that would be much better but it's all conjecture.

Well, it sure wouldn't have had the soaring CGI action that we're so overburdened with now, but I am positive it would have been a solid film overall. Cameron (much like Raimi) knows how to tell a story very well- none of his movies fail in this department. Like I said, with some tweaks, Cameron's "scriptment" would have been a solid Spider-Man film.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

How can you say any of this when you haven't read the script? I'm aware of how different the finished product can sometimes be, but his treatment was awful through and through. No two ways about it. It'd be tough to salvage anything from what he wrote.
Don't believe me, see for yourself.

I read the script years ago, I didn't like but the reason why the script leaked its because they know it was disposable which is why I know its an early draft.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Any single one of Nolan's films buries the TASM films. "Too much unnecessary stuff going on?" His scripts aren't without flaws, but they are tight and they accomplish exactly what they need to. I sure hope you don't make a comment about "unnecessary stuff" and then turn around and priase TASM2, because that film is the poster child to "too much unnecessary stuff".

Oh I absolutely agree but in my opinion Nolan wouldn't work on a Spiderman movie because it would expose a lot of his weaknesses the main one being that he tends to make characters that aren't too "human" or relatable. His characters work in his movies tho and he's defintely much better than Webb in every sense.

 

[spider-neil]

Nolan's characters are 'cold', he relies way too much on exposition and his action is at best serviceable. His TDK is brilliant but the other two Batman movies (IMHO) are very overrated.

Cameron's Spider-man would have been interesting but we got Raimi instead which isn't bad substitute.

I doubt QT has any interest in a superhero movie whatsoever, especially one he himself hasn't created.

 

[Par Avion]

Nolan's characters are 'cold', he relies way too much on exposition and his action is at best serviceable. His TDK is brilliant but the other two Batman movies (IMHO) are very overrated.

Cameron's Spider-man would have been interesting but we got Raimi instead which isn't bad substitute.

I doubt QT has any interest in a superhero movie whatsoever, especially one he himself hasn't created.

Every successful filmmaker gets labels slapped on them that are then regurgitated ad nauseum on the interwebs (eg. Spielberg is sappy and sentimental, etc.) Nolan may have his detractors and they may share their nitpicks, but he is a more than competent filmmaker and he knows what it takes to tell a solid, satisfying story (Same as Cameron, Raimi, et al.) Marc Webb does not belong on that list- maybe many years down the road, but he hasn't demonstrated it yet.

Tarantino has gone or record saying that Batman is "dull", but also wanted to direct a Casino Royale James Bond movie. Make of that what you will...

 

[spider-neil]

Every successful filmmaker gets labels slapped on them that are then regurgitated ad nauseum on the interwebs (eg. Spielberg is sappy and sentimental, etc.) Nolan may have his detractors and they may share their nitpicks, but he is a more than competent filmmaker and he knows what it takes to tell a solid, satisfying story (Same as Cameron, Raimi, et al.) Marc Webb does not belong on that list- maybe many years down the road, but he hasn't demonstrated it yet.

Tarantino has gone or record saying that Batman is "dull", but also wanted to direct a Casino Royale James Bond movie. Make of that what you will...

I love Nolan as a film maker but for me a lot of his work is overrated rather.
3 movies for me are brilliant (TDK, Memento, Prestige) the rest I can take or leave.

Basides which, Cameron, QT and Nolan are far more interested in 'their' projects than established franchises. And that's probably for the best.

I like Webbs style of film making and whilst he doesn't belong in that high quality list of directors I like him.

 

[The Slang]

Cameron would have made a good movie. One thing I liked about his script was how much time Spider-man spent trying to make it as an entertainer. I was hoping we'd see more of that in ASM but instead they skipped it entirely.
Cameron's script had scenes where he was busking on street corners and did a performance in front of a crowd. The Uncle Ben death/burglar plot were better than what we got in both Raimi and Webb films too, while being more comic accurate. Another moment I liked was when a kid looks out his window to find a sick Spider-man puking as he's clinging to a wall. And there was a part after his suit is damaged where he buys a store bought Spider-man suit, stating that it was better made than his own.

 

[Valkyrje]

A fusion between Webb's take on Spidey and Cameron's would be the best Spidey hero movie, or even the best CBM movie ever. I loved Cameron's script, put Gwen in it, some elements like Peter and Gwen's story and score from Webb, his cast and you get an amazing movie. I want a darker take on Spidey, sth like "a happy Spiderman in a dark world". His script was badass like all his others.

 

[Tony Stark]

LMAO @ Nolan directing Spidey! Seriously I think the people that come up with that crap are probably wearing TDK pajamas in front of their computers when they type that.

Nolan is a good film maker. IMO his best work was done on films that had less action and more drama, like Memento and the Prestige.

I think the "action scenes" in TDKR alone should disqualify Nolan from directing any more superhero films. The fight choreography with Bane and Batman is LOL hilarious.