The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - User Review Thread! - SPOILERS! - Part 5

[LizardMan07]

Urgh, it happens in Sam Raimi's films too though. (Peter lets Robber go, Robber kills Ben)

I was more pointing out that that line of thinking doesn't work logically.

But we agreed on someting and that usually doesn't happen so I'm torn

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Yeah, but Peter's reason (although selfish) is because he was cheated out $2900 or so. That would be enough to piss anyone off, so he let the robber go, and it was his fault completely for that.


Not only did Peter in TASM1 let the robber go over MILK, but Ben thought he should try to take on a man with a gun. He was literally asking for it.

 

[Spider-knight]

Actually Peter didn't let the robber go over milk be let him go because the jerk of a clerk just didn't help his bad day.

Also, the robber shot ben. In an alleyway

 

[OcStat]

Seriously, the fun has been sapped from The Amazing section. I feel like we need a heading that says DO NOT RESUSCITATE.

A whole grip of people feel the need to remind the rest all the reasons why this or that is terrible according to them like we haven't heard it since May. There's probably more I could say about the robbery, but I'm kinda feeling like; minds are made up, none are going to budge... so tell me what's the point in even sparking up conversation?

 

[Spider-knight]

I don't have a clue on the whole thing. All they do is just argue over the sane thing over and over again like they're bored or something

 

[OcStat]

Nothing personal, and it isn't like it's one side of the fan base or anything.

I can't be the only one that feels like we're all just repeating ourselves at this point, I mean, today literally the same conversation is going in two separate sub forums. Come on.

 

[Spider-knight]

That is what annoys me too. I mean everytime I read these posts it's just insane having to read them again and in each thread

 

[TWayneP]

Yea. I wonder why people who hate his movie... constantly come here? If I hate a film, I'm going to forget about it and not bother posting in boards after I've made my point or feelings clear.

I love the film a so I'm here to discuss ASM2 and 3 with the like minded.

I just got done watching the blu ray finally. I bought it on release day but didn't have the time to sit down and enjoy until now. Being that I was completely blown away in theaters, of course my second viewing wasn't going to hold up aswell. But it's still a 9/10 film for me. Rewatching it, the main problem I have with it is the pacing. It does drag a bit at times.

My god does the blu ray looks absolutely gorgeous. One of the better 35mm filmed blu rays I've ever seen. I hope and pray Marc Webb can shoot some of ASM3 with an IMAX camera since he's reverted back to film. So beautiful. The sound is no slouch either. Absolutely astounding.

 

[W/ Great Power]

Everyone has the right to express their opinions, good or bad.

I too have noticed some of the same discussions be brought up over and over again. However, you kind of have to expect that to happen until we get more news on these films and spinoffs.

 

[chaseter]

Actually Peter didn't let the robber go over milk be let him go because the jerk of a clerk just didn't help his bad day.

Also, the robber shot ben. In an alleyway

Peter let the robber go because he didn't have one more penny and the clerk was being a dick about not letting him take a free penny to pay for his milk. Peter wasn't owed anything. He didn't earn that money. He wasn't promised anything. Ben died over one cent for chocolate milk. That is literally what happened. That is the price for Ben's life. In SM1, Ben died over $2900 because Peter wanted a car to impress a girl. He was owed that money and felt cheated. In ASM1, Ben died over one penny to pay for chocolate milk because Peter was having a bad day. It's really hilarious and sad that the writers and Marc Webb thought that one up.

 

[spiderman2]

Peter let the robber go because he didn't have one more penny and the clerk was being a dick about not letting him take a free penny to pay for his milk. Peter wasn't owed anything. He didn't earn that money. He wasn't promised anything. Ben died over one cent for chocolate milk. That is literally what happened. That is the price for Ben's life. In SM1, Ben died over $2900 because Peter wanted a car to impress a girl. He was owed that money and felt cheated. In ASM1, Ben died over one penny to pay for chocolate milk because Peter was having a bad day. It's really hilarious and sad that the writers and Marc Webb thought that one up.

No like you said the clerk was being a dick. If the clerk wasn't such a dick then things would be different.

 

[chaseter]

So it's the Clerk's fault that Peter didn't have enough money? Yeah the Clerk was a dick but Peter didn't have enough money and felt he was owed something.

 

[spiderman2]

So it's the Clerk's fault that Peter didn't have enough money? Yeah the Clerk was a dick but Peter didn't have enough money and felt he was owed something.

No that is not what I am saying what I am saying is that no matter what he didn't do the right thing.

 

[Spider-knight]

Peter let the robber go because he didn't have one more penny and the clerk was being a dick about not letting him take a free penny to pay for his milk. Peter wasn't owed anything. He didn't earn that money. He wasn't promised anything. Ben died over one cent for chocolate milk. That is literally what happened. That is the price for Ben's life. In SM1, Ben died over $2900 because Peter wanted a car to impress a girl. He was owed that money and felt cheated. In ASM1, Ben died over one penny to pay for chocolate milk because Peter was having a bad day. It's really hilarious and sad that the writers and Marc Webb thought that one up.

No, he did that because the clerk didn't help make Peter's day any better. It's something like this when some jerk just made the mood even worse

 

[Eggyman]

Pointless argument when the rest is so bad.

 

[Perry9]

Nothing personal, and it isn't like it's one side of the fan base or anything.

I can't be the only one that feels like we're all just repeating ourselves at this point, I mean, today literally the same conversation is going in two separate sub forums. Come on.

Welcome to the Spidey boards.

 

[Spider-knight]

Actually the argument just keeps repeating itself

 

[chaseter]

No, he did that because the clerk didn't help make Peter's day any better. It's something like this when some jerk just made the mood even worse

But it's not the clerk's fault Peter didn't have enough money or was having a bad day. The clerk deserves to be robbed at gunpoint because he was a jerk? What does that say about Peter in ASM? Had Peter had enough money, nothing would have happened. Yes the clerk was a jerk and had he given it for less than cost nothing would have happened either. You saying the clerk was a jerk changes the blame to the clerk for not making Peter's day better and causing Peter to let the robber go. It's Peter's fault Ben dies in every iteration and Peter is at fault here too. They got that right. What is sad and pathetic is that the stakes the writers wrote for Ben's death is literally one cent over chocolate milk. What a pathetic plot point. I wouldn't be angry over one cent where I allow someone to be robbed and beaten at gun point...over one penny. It's so ridiculous. It's sad that this series has dumbed down a great mythos were Ben died over one cent and Gwen died over pushing a button that only she could push. The situations the writers put these characters in for perilous plot points is so so very sad. Future generations will definitely remember Sheen's death for years to come. The way Peter wanted that milk...I could see it in his EYES.

 

[chaseter]

That's just two deaths. We can get into how this series made Peter predestined to be Spider-Man through Richard's DNA experiments...a huge bastardization of the mythos. This series is flawed from top to bottom.

 

[spiderman2]

I was trying to post this in the dvd thread and only got about 1/3 of what I type to work with my crapy internet. So I watched the comartry form the dvd for the first time.
The last 3red of the movie. They said there was a longer sence about the disse and about the goblin and spider man or something when peter finds the truth about how peters dad loves him and wasn't a spy and was trying to save him. The talked about how when harry helps electro excape they talked about what would electro where and they where saying that the movie has to be pg 13 and we don't need to see to much lol. They said they had to pay for the right to have harry do the jeaperde thing with the bones Round thing. They talked about harry bloming up the oscrop thing and how there was already a lot going on in the thired act and a lot of action nice excuse lol. No way that should have been cut form the movie. They talked about playing that gween would die in the last act of the movie if only the trailers didn't bascily show her die lol. They said at one point thee planes thing at the end was almost taken out. I think it was great idea to leve that end has it made the stakes bigger. They said the part during the power plant fight where peter seens gweens death they wanted to hit home that this was peters biggest fear that gween was now in derect harms way that he had put her in danger like he was ****ed would happen. They talked about at the end when gween dies that they had to show that early and make sure that it was offise enough that she died and they said they had to make sure it wasn't to grumsium. They said at first it wasn't office enough that she died with the first version. They said they asked people if they would take there kids to this movie and one parent said that it yes that you are going to have to loss people in your lifes and that this movie shows how you have to move on form that.

I have to say the comentary for this movie is pretty good. I wish that Andrew was on the comatry for the movie to though. Man I love this movie so much I don't know what movie ever one else saw but I must have seen a different movie. The more I watch this movie the more I love it. The special features on this movie are great 4.5-5 on the special features. Hopefully this movie real get a derectors cut at some point has most people that hate the movie would think it is at least ok if they didn't cut so much form the movie. Even watching the commentary you can tell form what they say that to much was cut form the movie and how most of the stuff that was cut would have either got ridge of the problems or greatly improved the problems. Know after watching the movie 5 times I still don't see the so called problems with the movie and with this movie being my 4th favorite CBM ever I am even leading towards uping the movie to being my 3erd favorite CBM ever it is just that great! With the stuff cut form the movie if it had been in the movie I think the movie could be right there with sm2 has the best spider man movie yet.

 

[chaseter]

I have a couple of questions to pose to those who think this movie was great:

If Sony is to blame for editing this to death, did Sony cut the reveal that Richard was still alive? Webb said he cut that scene himself. You can't have it both ways. Webb helped to edit this movie. He himself filmed the Richard scene. Why would he film such a stupid scene? It's because Webb is not a good fit for Spider-Man and I don't think he gets the character.

All of those questions were rhetorical.

 

[spiderman2]

But it's not the clerk's fault Peter didn't have enough money or was having a bad day. The clerk deserves to be robbed at gunpoint because he was a jerk? What does that say about Peter in ASM? Had Peter had enough money, nothing would have happened. Yes the clerk was a jerk and had he given it for less than cost nothing would have happened either. You saying the clerk was a jerk changes the blame to the clerk for not making Peter's day better and causing Peter to let the robber go. It's Peter's fault Ben dies in every iteration and Peter is at fault here too. They got that right. What is sad and pathetic is that the stakes the writers wrote for Ben's death is literally one cent over chocolate milk. What a pathetic plot point. I wouldn't be angry over one cent where I allow someone to be robbed and beaten at gun point...over one penny. It's so ridiculous. It's sad that this series has dumbed down a great mythos were Ben died over one cent and Gwen died over pushing a button that only she could push. The situations the writers put these characters in for perilous plot points is so so very sad. Future generations will definitely remembr Sheen's death for years to come. The way Peter wanted that milk...I could see it in his EYES.

Because it 2 wrongs don't make a right so yeah the clerk was a jerk but peter still should have been the better person so there for what he did was wrong that is all that matters it doesn't matter if it is milk or money what is wrong is wrong.

 

[Spider-knight]

But it's not the clerk's fault Peter didn't have enough money or was having a bad day. The clerk deserves to be robbed at gunpoint because he was a jerk? What does that say about Peter in ASM? Had Peter had enough money, nothing would have happened. Yes the clerk was a jerk and had he given it for less than cost nothing would have happened either. You saying the clerk was a jerk changes the blame to the clerk for not making Peter's day better and causing Peter to let the robber go. It's Peter's fault Ben dies in every iteration and Peter is at fault here too. They got that right. What is sad and pathetic is that the stakes the writers wrote for Ben's death is literally one cent over chocolate milk. What a pathetic plot point. I wouldn't be angry over one cent where I allow someone to be robbed and beaten at gun point...over one penny. It's so ridiculous. It's sad that this series has dumbed down a great mythos were Ben died over one cent and Gwen died over pushing a button that only she could push. The situations the writers put these characters in for perilous plot points is so so very sad. Future generations will definitely remember Sheen's death for years to come. The way Peter wanted that milk...I could see it in his EYES.

look, it wasnt because of some stupid chocolate milk or two cents. Had peter's day been different in a good way he would help the guy out but since his mood wasnt good his emotions got the best of him. Some People have done so. And really, the chocolate milk joke is getting real old

 

[Spider-knight]

I have a couple of questions to pose to those who think this movie was great:

If Sony is to blame for editing this to death, did Sony cut the reveal that Richard was still alive? Webb said he cut that scene himself. You can't have it both ways. Webb helped to edit this movie. He himself filmed the Richard scene. Why would he film such a stupid scene? It's because Webb is not a good fit for Spider-Man and I don't think he gets the character.

All of those questions were rhetorical.

Webb didn't cut most of the scenes out. Sony must've agreed that that scene wasn't so good to attract the audience but they put it into one of the deleted scenes anyway.

And who in their right mind thought that bringing in Gwen Stacey, top her as venom, emo Peter, ***** MJ, the butler, dance sequence, sandman killing ben, venom repealing his face, and giving most of the characters lack of character and less screen time and they just filmed them because?

Look by the pre visualization and deleted scenes of the first movie and what teekay and yurka said in the second movie including the commentary of the second film Webb is a great guy for spiderman

 

[spiderman2]

I have a couple of questions to pose to those who think this movie was great:

If Sony is to blame for editing this to death, did Sony cut the reveal that Richard was still alive? Webb said he cut that scene himself. You can't have it both ways. Webb helped to edit this movie. He himself filmed the Richard scene. Why would he film such a stupid scene? It's because Webb is not a good fit for Spider-Man and I don't think he gets the character.

All of those questions were rhetorical.

He gets thee character or spider man wouldn't be so spider man like if he didn't. Spider man never acted so spider man like in a movie in till asm2. Yeah the Richard scene was a bad one but look at all the good sences that where cut form the movie and it was like that with asm1 and even sm3. Basically ever problem with the movie had a delected scence that would have fixed or greatly improved the movie. Goblin didn't have enough screen time and you had at least 3 delected extended scences with him. Harry was rushed thing and you had multiple scence with that to that where cut. The movie right now is consider mixed to slightly bad if most of what was cut was still in the movie the movie at worst would be like a 70 on RT if not higher. I have never heard of a movie having so much cut form the movie and a lot of what was cut was important things to the story and the charater development. Even though I love the movie I fell furstaited because I know if they didn't cut so much that I would love the movie even more. 3 sm movies in a row that have had a lot cut form the movie and things that would have made the movie better I don't think that comes form just the derectro. I do think he has to get some of the blam but it is offise that sony is not giving enough creative control has 3 movies in a row with so much cut. Its on both but I would say like 30% web and like 70% of the blam on sony for cutting the movie to death.