The Avengers The Avengers Box-Office Prediction Thread

[BigThor]

Then don't include it in the conversation. Many more moviegoers bought tickets to Batman 89 than to Iron Man

For it to have made Dark Knight money it would have needed about 2.5x as many people to have watched it. Silly talk

I didn't include it in the conversion I'm pretty sure that was DarthAlani and by "Dark Knight" money I meant Dark Knight's box office numbers.

C'mon, let's not be so literal here.

 

[Quasimod0]

. Chris Nolan is pushing the Batman's envelope yet again. He's taking it to places where no CBM has been before.

Where exactly? lol

 

[The Morningstar]

Where exactly? lol

By making them depressingly similar to the real world? Reminding us how ****** the real world really is?

 

[kedrell]

Well he sure knows how to take the 'comic' out of comic book movie.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Where exactly? lol

He's bringing a climatic 'close' to a comic book character/mantle and his arc (whether it be on retirement or death). TDKR isn't going to end with Batman on a rooftop with the Bat-signal flashing in the sky, or him riding off into the night looking for another case.

There's plenty of other 'spoilers' and clues too (given to us by Rag and Bosef) that will make many purists fans uncomfortable and unhappy.

 

[T"Challa]

Well he sure knows how to take the 'comic' out of comic book movie.

His bat flicks are great but they honestly do a subpar job of portraying the Bruce Wayne that i loved in the comics I don't see the martial arts expertise, i don't see the genius detective mind, the crazy gadgetry. Batman was relegated to basically a supporting actor in TDK. Ledger and Eckhart dominated that thing hardcore. Hell, i found myself rooting for the Joker halfway during the movie..lol

 

[Mysteryman]

When did the fourth installment of Ice Age become such a hot property?
Is it really expected to do that well?

 

[T"Challa]

When did the fourth installment of Ice Age become such a hot property?
Is it really expected to do that well?

The last two Ice age movies made over 650 mill and 880 mill respectively. So yeah, its probably gonna rake it tons of cash

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Well he sure knows how to take the 'comic' out of comic book movie.

By providing actual themes in his subtext? Or that his Batman isn't fighting a nine foot behemoth riddled with muscles on top muscles? There are plenty of different interpretations of how Batman's story has been illustrated and told. What makes Nolan's vision so repulsive as a CBM?

And don't give me that Crime Drama nonsense that circulates around here. Batman is a detective and his stories are crime drama-based.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The last two Ice age movies made over 650 mill and 880 mill respectively. So yeah, its probably gonna rake it tons of cash

It's a family movie franchise that continues to impress me with its resilience. The films haven't been anything special but they continue to make loads of money.

 

[T"Challa]

It's a family movie franchise that continues to impress me with its resilience. The films haven't been anything special but they continue to make loads of money.

I dont understand it frankly. With the exception of the first one which i genuinely enjoyed, the others have been straight mediocre. This isnt Transformers where tons of ppl flock to see because of sick visual effects and spectacle. Its an animated movie with very 'meh' storylines.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I dont understand it frankly. With the exception of the first one which i genuinely enjoyed, the others have been straight mediocre. This isnt Transformers where tons of ppl flock to see because of sick visual effects and spectacle. Its an animated movie with very 'meh' storylines.

Yeah. I enjoyed the first installment very much so, but the second and third installments have been 'so-so' and 'bleh'. At least with Transformers, you had fantastic SFX and Optimus Prime, but what the hell do these films offer that receives this much attention. It escapes logic and reason.

Toy Story, I understand (adored 1 & 2), but Ice Age?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Ice Age lately has been a monster overseas but people may grow tired of it like they did Shrek with this next movie.

 

[Jordanstine]

I think the Dark Knight Rises' release date is way more favorable than The Avengers.

May 4 - The Avengers

May 11 - 1st week competition... NONE

May 18 - 2nd week competition (Battleship)

May 25 - 3rd week competition (Men in Black III)

June 1 - 4th week competition (Snow White & Huntsman)

June 8 - 5th week competition (Madagascar 3) and (Prometheus)

June 15 - 6th week competition NONE...

While if you look at the Dark Knight Rises...

July 20 - Dark Knight Rises

July 27 - 1st week competition... NONE

August 3 - 2nd week competition (Bourne Legacy)

August 10 - 3rd week competition... NONE

August 17 - 4th week competition (Expandables 2)

August 24 - 5th week competition... NONE

August 31 - 6th week competition... NONE

Not only that but July premiers always prove more increased screenings during the day since it's officially summer.

 

[kedrell]

By providing actual themes in his subtext? Or that his Batman isn't fighting a nine foot behemoth riddled with muscles on top muscles? There are plenty of different interpretations of how Batman's story has been illustrated and told. What makes Nolan's vision so repulsive as a CBM?

And don't give me that Crime Drama nonsense that circulates around here. Batman is a detective and his stories are crime drama-based.

Almost every movie has themes and subtext if you want to go ahead and read into them what you want. That's nothing new, even for comic book/superhero films. And the crime drama aspect IS supposed to be there. However, making 'Heat with a costumed-crimefighter' is quite frankly limiting. I couldn't stand TDK but I quite liked BB. I was hoping BB was just as far in the realism as the series would ever go and that the franchise would move toward the more fantastic comic book aspects rather than away from them. I've long maintained that the best Batman film would pretty much fall dead between Nolan's films and Burton's films. And I'm not saying I'm a fan of Burton's films either. Those went too far in the style-over-substance arena. Yes, I'd say Batman Begins is as close to what I'd like in a Batman movie as I have seen yet(but even that wasn't perfect).

 

[kedrell]

I think the Dark Knight Rises' release date is way more favorable than The Avengers.

May 4 - The Avengers
While if you look at the Dark Knight Rises...

July 20 - Dark Knight Rises
Not only that but July premiers always prove more increased screenings during the day since it's officially summer.

The thing is that the first few weeks are more important than those at the end. The vast majority of money these films will make is made in the first 2-3 weeks. So it's better to have smaller competition initialy than later on. The Avengers has smaller competition upfront that gets greater as time goes on while TDKR is the opposite.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Almost every movie has themes and subtext if you want to go ahead and read into them what you want. That's nothing new, even for comic book/superhero films.

Of course it's nothing new, but TDK's themes and subtext were a topic of conversation and controversy for different reasons for weeks.

And the crime drama aspect IS supposed to be there. However, making 'Heat with a costumed-crimefighter' is quite frankly limiting.

Different strokes. I enjoyed the take of combining Heat or Miami Vice and Batman together. It's what I appreciate about Nolan so much as a film-maker. He pays homage to his influences, and his films never have the same identical atmosphere.

I couldn't stand TDK but I quite liked BB. I was hoping BB was just as far in the realism as the series would ever go and that the franchise would move toward the more fantastic comic book aspects rather than away from them.

I adored Batman Begins, but The Dark Knight stands above it because of the acting from Oldman, Ledger and Eckhart. Bale took a backseat, in terms of performance, however, he still made his presence known.

I've long maintained that the best Batman film would pretty much fall dead between Nolan's films and Burton's films. And I'm not saying I'm a fan of Burton's films either. Those went too far in the style-over-substance arena. Yes, I'd say Batman Begins is as close to what I'd like in a Batman movie as I have seen yet(but even that wasn't perfect).

Burton's films were ahead of their time. Now, were they style-over-substance? That depends on the viewer, but I concur, certain parts of the films were exactly that, just style.

Batman Begins might be second place in my heart, but I comprehend your point. BB was special. No CBM had what Begins offered -- an origin story with the protagonist having no powers but seeks to master his craft.

 

[cherokeesam]

I dont understand it frankly. With the exception of the first one which i genuinely enjoyed, the others have been straight mediocre. This isnt Transformers where tons of ppl flock to see because of sick visual effects and spectacle. Its an animated movie with very 'meh' storylines.

It's simple: Hollywood makes so few kid-oriented movies these days that the few that *are* made become instant 2-hour babysitters, and are virtually guaranteed to succeed. Despicable Me, Ice Age, Up, Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs, Monsters vs. Aliens.....they don't have to be Disney/Pixar classics, just something for kids and families to watch in the summertime, because family movies are really a rarity these days.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Toy Story, I understand (adored 1 & 2), but Ice Age?

The first Ice Age was actually pretty good. The second was okay, but the third looked crappy (I haven't seen it, don't really care to either). I don't see why it was the highest grossing of the series.

 

[Quasimod0]

It's simple: Hollywood makes so few kid-oriented movies these days that the few that *are* made become instant 2-hour babysitters, and are virtually guaranteed to succeed. Despicable Me, Ice Age, Up, Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs, Monsters vs. Aliens.....they don't have to be Disney/Pixar classics, just something for kids and families to watch in the summertime, because family movies are really a rarity these days.

Up was a great film. Doesnt even matter that it was animated

 

[T"Challa]

It's simple: Hollywood makes so few kid-oriented movies these days that the few that *are* made become instant 2-hour babysitters, and are virtually guaranteed to succeed. Despicable Me, Ice Age, Up, Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs, Monsters vs. Aliens.....they don't have to be Disney/Pixar classics, just something for kids and families to watch in the summertime, because family movies are really a rarity these days.

Every single one of those movies u mentioned aside from Ice Age was very good. Animated or not. Ice Age 3 isnt in the class of movies like Up and Cloudy with a chance of meatballs

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Ice Age lately has been a monster overseas but people may grow tired of it like they did Shrek with this next movie.

People didn't grow tired of Shrek, Shrek 3 was just terrible compared to the first 2. Shrek 3 could have been DreamWorks' Toy Story 3 and even grossed a billion dollars had it been more climactic, but noooo. It was boring and corny. I haven't even seen 4 yet.

 

[KangConquers]

Up was a great film. Doesnt even matter that it was animated

Up > The Dark Knight. Yeah, I went there. Can't wait for the reaming.

 

[Shadowlord X]

I disagree. I believe Flash and Wonder Woman each separately have more mass-appeal than all of those names combined. Most of DC's Heavy-Hitters or Heavyweights are recognized by those who don't even read comics. Hell, Aquaman himself gets more references than Namor (if he has even gotten one ever on a tv show, parody, film, book, etc) and Aquaman is portrayed as a joke, more often than not.

DC's marketability now lies in the fact that average joes know who Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Aquaman are without having read a single comic or been a fan of the character and/or genre. For instance, a Batman-Superman crossover on the big screen would be a gargantuan pop-culture/icon deal.

Right now, I only see Wolverine, Spiderman and now Iron Man as Marvel's only Heavy-Hitters. Circumstances can certainly change in a couple years but there's never guarantees in this business. Look at Green Lantern, Ghost Rider, Dare Devil, The Punisher, etc.



True, but TDK was the only CBM to cross two barriers (Oscar; Billion). Now, TDKR is riding off that momentum and steam, and it's not showing signs of slowing down. Chris Nolan is pushing the Batman's envelope yet again. He's taking it to places where no CBM has been before.

Whether or not TDKR will make a billion this time around, it's still the top dog in the yard and will be difficult to dethrone (in the genre) solely based on it's reputation from 2008.

That being said, I have a feeling that neither The Avengers, TDKR or TAS will make a billion. The Hobbit and Ice Age are probably destined to rule 2012. It doesn't help the case that we got another Twilight flick coming this year too.

Of course you would disagree. What you are talking about is recognizability wrt those DC characters whilst I'm talking about mass market appeal. Flash is a good example; he's known but he looks goofy, his origin is cheesy, his mythos has no substance to support a script or viable character arc in a major motion picture. He's just a guy who got hit by lightning and chemicals and now can move fast; that's all. WW looks cheesy, sounds cheesy, and mythos is lite on any real substance. WB knows this. That's why WB isn't rushing forward with any of those projects, especially after the colossal failure that was GL, which suffered from the same flaws. Green Lantern sounds cheesy, it's mythos is cheesy, looks cheesy, and the mythos has little substance; it's just a guy who is fearless and get a powerful magic space ring. Thus when time came to make a movie, they couldn't come up with a strong script and a viable character arc. Let's not even get into Aquaman who would be laughed off the screen.

All the characters from MARVEL that I mentioned are far less known than those guys but their mythos is strong and have strong themes that can support a film.

If you doubt me then just keep watching movies over the next 10 years; MARVEL STUDIOS is juggernaut that will just keep going, unlike nolan and tdkr which will be a monster at the BO, no doubt, but it's a dead-end franchise that's leads to nothing further.

 

[J.Howlett]

There's nothing wrong with having a dead-end franchise. Why do these films have to keep going and going?

I admire Marvel's attempt but at some point, they're going to over saturate the market. And that's not including the Marvel films at Sony and Fox....

The Marvel Cinematic Universe has to have an end point...but I don't think Marvel is even thinking about an end point to this entire Avengers story that they're attempting, cinematically.

It would just be nice to have ends in this genre. At the same time, if Marvel Studios has endings, there would be no point in existing, would it?