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Infinity War The AVENGERS INFINITY WAR OFFICIAL SPOILER Thread - Part 2

I just have to say, I can't with people claiming Thanos' faulty logic is somehow a plot hole. Newsflash, folks, HE IS MAD. They don't call him the Mad Titan for nothing. This is a guy who truly believes in abusing a child he (legitimately) loves in order to make her into the "fiercest woman in the galaxy." That's how his brain works. "Tough love," is how I'm sure he sees it.

It was very clear in that scene on Titan that he's generally bitter toward the universe, and is doing this, not because he actually has to, but truly because he WANTS to. He's doing it to punish the universe as much as to save it. He wants to stick it to those people who didn't listen to him and treated him poorly, deliver a wake-up call, and be acknowledged across the universe as the guy who did it and eventually expects to be vindicated for it (hence the line about "smile down on a grateful universe"). He's kidding himself believing he's performing some sort of noble public service, because it is most certainly about his ego. The whole idea of "it's the pragmatic thing to do" is just what he tells himself to justify his psychopathic intentions, to make himself still feel like the good guy in all this.

If you actually presented the "why don't you just create more resources" argument to him, he would most certainly come back at you with some sort of "teach a man to fish"-esque analogy about how the universe would learn nothing from that and just double the rate they're depleting their resources or something. Because at the end of the day, he's taking this route because he WANTS to. He LOVES the idea that he could be the only one capable of seeing and acting on what "needs" to be done, and he has this image in his head of himself as the great noble martyr who the universe will be grateful to someday after they've learned the error of their ways. It's his ego first and foremost driving this, because again, he's a madman.
 
I actually thought thanos plan was fairly solid all things considered.
 
The one point I did not see demonstrated well was that "the Universe" was in any danger of overpopulation or stretching of resources.

Some planets like Titan and Gamora's home planet maybe but otherwise...

A universe is a massive area to consider.
 
I just have to say, I can't with people claiming Thanos' faulty logic is somehow a plot hole. Newsflash, folks, HE IS MAD. They don't call him the Mad Titan for nothing. This is a guy who truly believes in abusing a child he (legitimately) loves in order to make her into the "fiercest woman in the galaxy." That's how his brain works. "Tough love," is how I'm sure he sees it.

It was very clear in that scene on Titan that he's generally bitter toward the universe, and is doing this, not because he actually has to, but truly because he WANTS to. He's doing it to punish the universe as much as to save it. He wants to stick it to those people who didn't listen to him and treated him poorly, deliver a wake-up call, and be acknowledged across the universe as the guy who did it and eventually expects to be vindicated for it (hence the line about "smile down on a grateful universe"). He's kidding himself believing he's performing some sort of noble public service, because it is most certainly about his ego. The whole idea of "it's the pragmatic thing to do" is just what he tells himself to justify his psychopathic intentions, to make himself still feel like the good guy in all this.

If you actually presented the "why don't you just create more resources" argument to him, he would most certainly come back at you with some sort of "teach a man to fish"-esque analogy about how the universe would learn nothing from that and just double the rate they're depleting their resources or something. Because at the end of the day, he's taking this route because he WANTS to. He LOVES the idea that he could be the only one capable of seeing and acting on what "needs" to be done, and he has this image in his head of himself as the great noble martyr who the universe will be grateful to someday after they've learned the error of their ways. It's his ego first and foremost driving this, because again, he's a madman.

I always go back to one of the best summations of super villains from THE FIRST AVENGER.

When the Col. is trying to get Zola to flip and Zola explains Skull's plans.

Col. : That's crazy.

Zola: The sanity of the plan is of no consequence.

Col. : And why is that?

Zola: Because he can do it!


I don't think a villain and yes even a comic book super villain should have a goal or plan that is totally devoid of an rationale or logic, when you do that you get into borderline parody territory like with the Terror from the Tick show. And if the tone you are going for does ask the audience to buy into the world, the more grounded I suppose that is the more the audience will apply logic of some kind to the situation.


Still... I think that FIRST AVENGER quote stands. In a super hero universe as bat guano crazy as any villain plan can be whether it's Skull's plan to take on the Allies AND the Axis in the midfle of WWII, Magneto trying to mutate humanity or Thanos cleansing the universe of life for the sake of life, in their narrative reality that those are insane doesn't matter. They can do it.
 
Wish Thanos had fought more without the gauntlet. He mad hulk look puny and he moved fast.
He didn't use the power stone to fight Hulk either, that was all him. I liked see all the possibilities from the stones. The reality stone needed to be showcased since it was wasted in TDW. Also all the times he used that were to advance his plan or save it. He had to use them to get to Vision or the group would have just keep running in front of him. Thanos could have easily killed, but he chose not too.
 
The one point I did not see demonstrated well was that "the Universe" was in any danger of overpopulation or stretching of resources.

Some planets like Titan and Gamora's home planet maybe but otherwise...

A universe is a massive area to consider.
They were not going to go to every planet, realm, dimension and show it. I look at it as we have to remember the past movies. Many areas in GOTG look crowded. In Ragnarok the city Sakaar was crowded, people can be scavengers like Valkyrie.
 
Went to go see it earlier again and heard a little girl ask during the Nebula torture scene, "Daddy, why is he doing that to her?" To which Dad says nothing, like he would be able to explain, lol.
 
Went to go see it earlier again and heard a little girl ask during the Nebula torture scene, "Daddy, why is he doing that to her?" To which Dad says nothing, like he would be able to explain, lol.
This is not the best father/daughter film, lol.
 
I'm actually curious to hear about kids' reactions to the massive cliffhanger in this film. The only thing I can compare it to from when I was a kid is The Empire Strikes Back, but even then I just popped Return of the Jedi into the VCR right after that ended.
 
I honestly can't recall a film that came out in my childhood that had any sort of cliffhanger like this. The SW movies were on home video then, so I was just able to pop in the next one after Empire without giving it another thought. Not sure how I would've felt about this as a kid.
 
I wish we had gotten a good tracking shot like the other Avenger movies. I know that was more Whedon’s thing but it would have helped get some perspective in the Wakanda battle of where everyone was fighting. I would have loved to have seen Cap and BP working together.
 
It's taken 7 years but we've finally brought you over to the dark side I remember how unimpressed you were with Thor 1.
It's true, my feelings toward Thor have been through their own epic journey, lol.
 
This is not the best father/daughter film, lol.

The showing was filled with little kids who were obviously brought by parents thinking the movie would shut them up for three hours. And now when they go home they have to tell them they won't turn into ash. :o
 
The showing was filled with little kids who were obviously brought by parents thinking the movie would shut them up for three hours. And now when they go home they have to tell them they won't turn into ash. :o
99% of these kids think these characters are going to stay dead.
 
Man, that was a great movie. Just fantastic.Funny, sad, serious. That is how you make a superhero movie. DC can't make a movie in which you care about a single character while Marvel makes a movie where you care about everyone, even the villain!

One thing I did find stupid was Thor being sad is brother was dead while his entire race was basically exterminated!
 
1st time I watched I didn't hear this part, but my 2nd viewing today I did.

Scott and Clint took deals after the break out, because it was hard on their families.

Think the govt was just sitting by their houses, like the trailer scene in AM&W when he gets his house arrest ankle bracelet. Wonder if Clint leaves to Japan after the snap and his family likely gets dusted. If he took a deal then he would have wanted to be with his family most of the time.
 
Man, that was a great movie. Just fantastic.Funny, sad, serious. That is how you make a superhero movie. DC can't make a movie in which you care about a single character while Marvel makes a movie where you care about everyone, even the villain!

One thing I did find stupid was Thor being sad is brother was dead while his entire race was basically exterminated!
Thor was closer to Loki they grew up together. Those were his people and sure that is sad but how many of them did he actually know and have a relationship with. He was just as sad when Heimdall died, his line about killing Thanos for that was based on the Heimdall kill. Loki also changed in Ragnarok, Thor was no longer going to be tricked by Loki and Loki understood that and became more than a trickster.
 
I was just watching Thor: Ragnarok again and man, Infinity War makes the ending of that movie much more tragic. Even though we kinda knew where it was headed with that first post-credits scene, it's hard to watch now that we know what happens. :csad:
 
I honestly can't recall a film that came out in my childhood that had any sort of cliffhanger like this. The SW movies were on home video then, so I was just able to pop in the next one after Empire without giving it another thought. Not sure how I would've felt about this as a kid.

We were left with burning questions, not devastation. We had so much joy speculating, but we weren't in mourning, that's for sure. It was fun.

(You should have experienced trying to get spoilers before the internet, lol! But we managed! I went into Jedi spoiled mwahaha!)
 
I was just watching Thor: Ragnarok again and man, Infinity War makes the ending of that movie much more tragic. Even though we kinda knew where it was headed with that first post-credits scene, it's hard to watch now that we know what happens. :csad:

I was just watching Guardians and had to turn it off when I was staring at the screen and thought... "all these people are dead." I feel like I lost something here.
 
I was just watching Thor: Ragnarok again and man, Infinity War makes the ending of that movie much more tragic. Even though we kinda knew where it was headed with that first post-credits scene, it's hard to watch now that we know what happens. :csad:

Those Asgardians sure had a rough time. Many of them were butchered by Hela and then saw their home literally destroyed only to escape to more destruction and death.
 
Maybe it was just me but I liked how Thanos didn't reply and had a look of disgust when Loki says "You will never be a God". I don't think Thanos ever wanted to be a God, had a lust to wield power, rule, or conquer like Loki and the other Gods did. He wanted that power for the simple goal of balancing the universe and then he was done. The way he treated Loki reminded me of the way he chastised Ronan for being a pouty child and that his politics bored him. Thanos had a higher purpose.

Only problem is Loki is right. By deciding to wipe out the half universe is taking on the role of God -- not the "small g" god like the Asgardians but the actual "big G" god. He is replaying a Noah's ark situation and doing the same "angry God" thing by culling not just Earth but the universe entire. And Loki will turn out to be right -- he will fail.

I just realized something. Homecoming 2 starts filming soon...and its slated to come out a couple months after IW2 right? How will they promote that movie? Are they intending on maintaining the illusion that Spidey is dead until next May? How will that affect Homecomong 2's marketing/ trailers?

Great point! How do you promote a movie where the hero is currently dead without flat out saying he's not really dead.


Any thoughts on those characters who didn't show up in IW who might in A4?

Besides the obvious Hawkeye, Wasp, Cap Marvel and Ant-Man.

Selvig, Sharon Carter, May Parker (how about Tony having to tell her the news:csad:), Hank Pym, Sif, Valkyrie, Korg, Happy, etc.

And of the supporting characters who we didn't see survive -- Shuri, Wong, Pepper, Collector (if he was alive before the cull), Secretary Ross -- which of those will appear?

And how about when the inevitable return of the "dead" characters happens -- will we finally get a scene with all 25+ (and maybe some supporting characters) in one massive shot?

This going to be a long, long year!
 
If they did a mass return of everyone who dusted, it would all make no sense. What about the return of a pilot of a plane- he's back, but so sorry about the 250 passengers (-125)? They'd be coming back to a post-apocalyptic wasteland on every world.

I don't think there is going to be a mass return-I think it is going to have to be a complicated reshuffling of the past. The fix-it, and then the fade to black, and we can all imagine every possible future for our peeps from the fix-it point, and just never see it on screen for most...
 
I was just watching Thor: Ragnarok again and man, Infinity War makes the ending of that movie much more tragic. Even though we kinda knew where it was headed with that first post-credits scene, it's hard to watch now that we know what happens. :csad:
Yeah, but I'm glad they mentioned that half the Asgardians lived. So it doesn't completely ruin the end of Ragnarok.
 

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