Infinity War The Avengers: Infinity War Part I & II The Official News and Speculatio - Part 2

[Moridin]

I can see a Mexican standoff-style situation stemming from mistrust and shock of seeing aliens for the first time, but let's not have contrived hero-on-hero fighting for the sake of it.

I'm more looking forward to how they contrast the tone of the Guardians with the Avengers.

The Avengers have an alien (Thor) on their team, and fought an Alien invasion yeas ago, they are long past the shock of first contact.

 

[MbJ]

The fact that they fought a hostile alien army would be rather good fodder for not trusting any aliens they encounter.

 

[ADollarADay]

I have a feeling we'll have some sort of an Adam Warlock sighting in GotG 2?? In time for IW?

I don't think they'll kill off Cap and prolly not the others either. Hell, I wish they'd bring back QS.....

QS will probably come back. The character is too cool, Fox's version is very popular, Flash show is popular, and Marvel is doing a one off with Yo-Yo on the TV side.

There is one of two ways I see it happening, Dr. Strange with the Time stone or Thanos offers Wanda to bring QS and her family back if she switches side. The latter is what I would like to see. The Russos have hinted how powerful she is and she's arguably the most powerful avenger, so that would be an interesting twist if she changes sides.

Other characters will need to die though, who will it be? No idea, but I would think they would die by the end of the second movie.

I mean I'm sure most of the ones that don't know who Thanos is will assume he's just another alien tyrant trying to do the same thing Loki did, etc. Then they find out his reputation.

The GA needs to find out too. I have no idea and I'm more informed than most people.

 

[MbJ]

Given people constantly whine about the MCU having no stakes because nobody ever dies, I'm not sure Marvel would go and literally resurrect the only Avenger to actually get killed so far.

 

[NotNickFury]

Not to mention that Coulson's convoluted resurrection in Agents of SHIELD already cheapened his death in The Avengers. Does the MCU want to go two-for-two by having another hero's sacrifice, which ended up being more functional than personal death, undone?

 

[ehh]

I'm guessing Coulson won't be making a return in either Avengers 3 or 4. Would be cool, but I don't see it happening.

 

[CaptainMarvel19]

I guess there will be one more superhero vs superhero to show off Captain Marvel's power.

 

[Bert]

I guess there will be one more superhero vs superhero to show off Captain Marvel's power.

Fist fight with Maria Hill?

 

[Abudefduf]

I guess there will be one more superhero vs superhero to show off Captain Marvel's power.

You mean superhero vs superheroes. Captain Marvel vs the entire Avengers team, is the battle I'm expecting to see.
Not a very fair match, I know, but I'm sure at least Captain America should be able to put up a decent (albeit hopeless) fight against her, this being a Russos movie and all.

 

[terry78]

Fist fight with Maria Hill?

More than fists, I hope.



Yes, I just read that out loud and know how it sounds.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Civil War > Avenger's & Age of Ultron


But I really miss Banner's interaction with the team his presence is really missed imo

Not when I created a murder bot

I'm caught in a time loop

I'm always angry

Is this a code green

You got lousy taste in men kid

What do you mean up close!?

 

[CaptainMarvel19]

Fist fight with Maria Hill?

LMAO.

Captain Marvel vs Thor and Hulk.

 

[Mike5575]

Spider-Man and Doctor Strange need to team up on a little side mission in Infinity War. If this doesn't happen, I will riot.

[YT]https://youtu.be/JYEF0rs9YlM[/YT]

 

[chamber-music]

Given people constantly whine about the MCU having no stakes because nobody ever dies, I'm not sure Marvel would go and literally resurrect the only Avenger to actually get killed so far.

I'm glad Marvel have not gone kill crazy. The Fox franchise kills off X-Men before you even get to know or care about them. I can't think of any of Marvel's previous movies being improved by an Avenger dying.

If they need to kill someone then they should kill Selvig or Happy Hogan or Helen Cho.

 

[MbJ]

If they need to kill someone then they should kill Selvig or Happy Hogan or Helen Cho.

My problem with that is that it just reinforces the idea that the Avengers are invincible. I felt the same way about the crackpot theory that the big shocking moment in Civil War would be someone killing Clint's wife and kids or something.

You're not adding to the stakes or making it seem like the villains are a serious threat when they're killing the Avengers' completely normal, non-powered friends while the Avengers themselves remain untouchable.

Let it be noted I don't really need anyone to die. Just that if Marvel did ever try to address the "The Avengers movies have no stakes because no one dies" complaint, doing so by killing off some minor human supporting characters would be a cop out.

 

[chamber-music]

Never watching these films do I feel like the Avengers are invulnerable. Most of the characters are very human and get hurt in the movies.

Hawkeye nearly died in AoU, Tony Stark has arc reactor in his chest because shrapnel was going to be pumped into his heart and kill him. The characters are very vulnerable.

It doesn't feel like the characters have overt plot armor to me.

I don't see the attraction of killing off the heroes which people are paying to see. It isn't like serialized television or comics in which these characters appear each week or month. The detractors complaining about the stakes are in the minority. The vast majority of the audience seeing these films aren't walking out saying the film would of been better in Groot or Nick Fury died.

 

[NotNickFury]

However, going back to Coulson again, when the universe does attempt to kill off characters that you will miss because you've spent time with them, that's cheapened when they're brought back. No one's saying that killing off a character is an attraction, but everyone on a hero roster doesn't make it from every single adventure to another.

And after Age of Ultron introduced us to Hawkeye's family, no way would Whedon have gone as far as killing him off. He already had to kill Coulson because of Feige's instruction, so you don't introduce a plot element like Barton's secret family only to rip it away by the end of the film.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Yeah, same. Pretty much I don't care to see anyone dying (but I really wouldn't mind it; would be even cool if they killed Widow in AoU and Cap in Civil War).
But yeah, I don't mind it.

And yeah, glad they haven't gone kill crazy. Look at the CW DC universe. It's basically no one is dead. Everyone returns always, via resurrection, time travel, illusions, etc. You guys saw the last scene of this winter finale for Arrow?
And the other possible option that could happen (which again, it won't be that good) is like the X-Men movies. Killing characters, that haven't had that much screentime at all. Or even worse, killing them off-screen (Emma Frost for example).

 

[Iceman]

Never watching these films do I feel like the Avengers are invulnerable. Most of the characters are very human and get hurt in the movies.

Hawkeye nearly died in AoU, Tony Stark has arc reactor in his chest because shrapnel was going to be pumped into his heart and kill him. The characters are very vulnerable.

It doesn't feel like the characters have overt plot armor to me.

I don't see the attraction of killing off the heroes which people are paying to see. It isn't like serialized television or comics in which these characters appear each week or month. The detractors complaining about the stakes are in the minority. The vast majority of the audience seeing these films aren't walking out saying the film would of been better in Groot or Nick Fury died.

Agreed. I barely even remember the Quicksilver AoU death and CBM deaths in general leave little impact, and comic book deaths are of course a joke. Batman didn't need to die for TDK to have what felt like super-high stakes. And because these characters are involved in a very long term universe franchise it doesn't make sense to kill the biggest characters who would add far more value dead than alive (until the very end of their natural arc after multiple phases) or smaller characters like Coulson which have little impact and less people care about.

It also leads to the comic book temptation to bring characters back which is the biggest suspense-killer for me as then you really do believe that there is zero danger, even if someone outright dies it doesn't mean there are any stakes as they can be brought back. Serious injuries which lead to characters having to sit out future films and the threat of death for the heroes and actual deaths of non-heroes and large numbers of civilians are enough combined with good writing to have high stakes without compromising your whole brand for 5 minutes of heightened drama.

 

[InCali]

I'm glad Marvel have not gone kill crazy. The Fox franchise kills off X-Men before you even get to know or care about them. I can't think of any of Marvel's previous movies being improved by an Avenger dying.

If they need to kill someone then they should kill Selvig or Happy Hogan or Helen Cho.

I'm with you. Mike wants someone to die dammit!!!

I want to bring QS back. I think he IS too cool to be left out in the future. If they kill off anyone, it will (thank you captain obvious) be one of the old Avengers. Can't very well kill off BP, DS, or one of the new guard.

Maybe they can get rid of Jane Foster.... t:

 

[NotNickFury]

Oh, I'd argue against Coulson having little impact. He was one of the connecting threads throughout Phase One and established rapports with Stark and Thor leading up to The Avengers, not to mention heading SHIELD for the time. But post-Phase One, sure, he's unnecessary for the grand scheme of the MCU since SHIELD itself is a bygone remnant of the universe after Winter Soldier.

Plus, going off-topic, the CW shows have killed off the likes of both Barry and Oliver's parents and they've only been here with the actor playing a different character, like John Wesley Shipp playing Earth-3 Jay Garrick, or a dream sequences, which isn't unlike Peggy popping up in Steve's vision in Age of Ultron- even though she was still alive at the time.

 

[Silvermoon]

Regarding Coulson, and I acknowledge mine might be a minority opinion, but I didn't feel that his return in Agents of SHIELD 'cheapened' his death or what it meant in Avengers at all. I think it would be different if it had been revealed that the medics had indeed been able to save him then and there and it was a case of Fury lying over the comms, but that's not what happened. He *did* die, and he was dead for days (at the very least) before they put his body through an experimental procedure (one that, it turns out, Coulson himself recommended NOT be put to use on anyone, ever) that brought him back.

Personally, I don't mind people being brought back from the dead so long as there is some type of ramification to being brought back. If they're brought back and everything is just sunshine and roses and no consequences to the action... then *that* I would have an objection to. But there being consequences (like there was for Coulson, with the side effects of the TAHITI project and all that came with it), I think that works... it still gives what they went through weight and meaning.

On the subject of Quicksilver, count me among those that think he should be brought back in some way. I think it was an extremely stupid idea of Joss to kill him off in the first place as (IMO) he seemed to do it because he felt having someone die was the only way to show 'stakes'. It's not. You can have stakes without resorting to character death.

Just my opinion... apologies if it didn't make sense.

 

[NotNickFury]

It could have been an order for higher-up, as the directive to kill Coulson- though I do believe his resurrection did cheapen his death, especially since his death on the film was more functional than personal- came from Kevin Feige, despite Whedon saying that he has a reputation for killing characters to whom audiences have grown attached.

 

[InCali]

It could have been an order for higher-up, as the directive to kill Coulson- though I do believe his resurrection did cheapen his death, especially since his death on the film was more functional than personal- came from Kevin Feige, despite Whedon saying that he has a reputation for killing characters to whom audiences have grown attached.

I'm glad they brought Coulson back and would even like to see him in IW (but alas, I don't think that's gonna happen). I think they could have done a better job with his hand; like make it a swiss army knife hand or an Ash vs Evil Dead chainsaw hand. LOL. Have Tony rig up something for him....anyway, he was really cool and important in the early MCU movies. I thought he did a really good job and I liked it when he circumvented Tony's security system.

If they do bring QS back (which would be great), I think using him as a bargaining chip for Wanda is a pretty cool idea.

Mainly, I want to see the intro of Carol Danvers in IW1 (Mike, are you listening?? ). I can't wait to see MCU Brie on screen.

 

[CaptainMarvel19]

Mainly, I want to see the intro of Carol Danvers in IW1 (Mike, are you listening?? ). I can't wait to see MCU Brie on screen.

will she be in IW1 or IW2???