The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - Part 15

[spideyboy_1111]

This Is Exactly How I Felt When I Was Readin the last few pages

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Not sure they do back-to-back films revolving around aliens, at least I hope they won't; too many villains to go back to that well so soon.

i don't think this film is turning out to be "about aliens" just includes them. It seems to be more about forming the avengers.. and whatever plan loki has... the aliens seem to just be his pawns

 

[bored]

I don't want the Inhuman introduced as villains. Certainly not ones big enough to warrant a movie about the formation of Earth's Mightiest Heroes. It sort of locks them into being "bad guys" for the duration of the MCU's current continuity. People can't switch back and forth in movies as easily as they do in comics.

 

[gmanca]

Well it's still dealing with aliens and there are other types they could go for in a sequel. Also, isn't Loki being considered an alien?

 

[misjuevos]

i posted this way back on page 8 i'll just repost it since now it seems the mind set is coming around to where i was then.
who's to say it will be skrulls. i mean if loki is involved why won't he just bring in creatures from the other eight realms, along with frost giants. i mean he did kill laufey and discovered his birthright, so logically he is the new king of the frost giants.

that was then, now after reading all this speculation maybe it is loki opening portals to different worlds , not just the other realms, maybe the kree and skrull could be one of those races we see along with many others. so we get a broader sense that the universe is vast and populated.

this would all be misdirection for loki's true goal. which would be to posses the cube.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I'm leaning Kree but I admit that Kang would be an inspired and unexpected choice, just not sure the whole "time travel" thing is a good idea.

It was also mentioned that it is a small group of different alien races. Like each one is a different race and they are all named with personas that we can look up online.

Who knows. If thats true it could throw a monkey wrench in the Kree idea (because they are the same race) and kind of supports the Kang or Inhuman theory.

Then this quote from Thanos wikipedia comes to mind.

" Wishing to conquer the galaxy, the character builds a base on Earth, constructs a space vessel that acts as a "universal translator" for his huge army of alien mercenaries, and begins an obsessive quest for an item called the Cosmic Cube, which can make wishes a reality. Thanos eventually locates the Cube and wills it to make him omnipotent, easily defeating Earth's heroes as a result. "

Instead of a huge army of alien mercenaries we will get a small group Alien Mercenaries

 

[Rock Sexton]

I don't want the Inhuman introduced as villains. Certainly not ones big enough to warrant a movie about the formation of Earth's Mightiest Heroes. It sort of locks them into being "bad guys" for the duration of the MCU's current continuity. People can't switch back and forth in movies as easily as they do in comics.

If what Poni says is true, the "entities" in question will not be "villains" per say. So that is what makes this tricky to peg. Loki at this point is our only true villain.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

If what Poni says is true, the "entities" in question will not be "villains" per say. So that is what makes this tricky to peg. Loki at this point is our only true villain.

Don't know how I truely feel about that, on the surface at least as an empty statement, maybe when we finally learn more it will click.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Then this quote from Thanos wikipedia comes to mind.

" Wishing to conquer the galaxy, the character builds a base on Earth, constructs a space vessel that acts as a "universal translator" for his huge army of alien mercenaries, and begins an obsessive quest for an item called the Cosmic Cube, which can make wishes a reality. Thanos eventually locates the Cube and wills it to make him omnipotent, easily defeating Earth's heroes as a result. "

Instead of a huge army of alien mercenaries we will get a small group Alien Mercenaries

This is plausible.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

So I'm just gonna throw in a new theory, that might be old, or maybe not. I haven't been here that long.

So remember those shots of Loki walking into what appeared to be a SHIELD base surrounded by what appeared to be SHIELD agents in the teaser? I have a feeling that his "deceptive" role will be to get SHIELD to trust him, that he knows of a potential alien threat (skrulls, kree, inhumans, whatever the frig we're getting) and that the source of it is gonna be the Tesseract. I'm not sure how he'll do it, but he's Loki so I guess it's what he does best.

So once he has infiltrated SHIELD, getting members there to trust him, he'll locate the cube and relay the coordinates to the invaders. During the confusion in the ensuing invasion, Loki will grab the cube, gain more power that he has likely lost since the ending of Thor and summon some Frost Giants, or whatever kind of creatures from the 9 realms to invade Midgard.

Once the invaders, whoever they may be, realize that Loki had tricked them, they'll side with the Avengers to take him down and the monsters he has summoned. Loki and Thor will have a nice battle, etc. etc. Cube either gets reclaimed or destroyed and Loki is banished yet again. All is well.

After the aliens leave the planet, we'll probably see one of them stay behind and reveal himself to have ulterior motives and possibly set up a sequel. Or maybe it could be the opposite, depending on whether the aliens are Kree, and the loner ends up being Mar-vell. Plenty of potential when we're dealing with aliens.

I'm starting to not think it's Kang anymore, simply because of the presence of Loki. I feel like Loki wouldn't be dumb enough to swindle someone like Kang when he could very well best him at his own game. Then again, maybe that'll happen anyway, I dunno.

That's my theory. Sorry, I was getting really bored of reading all the alien race speculations. I hope it's the alien race form Super 8 and then everyone will be ****ing their pants.

 

[gmanca]

I think you're pretty right on with the initial Loki angle, makes sense. Could be that he tries to reconcile with Thor as a means to get SHIELD to listen to him: He forces Hulk to initially fight against the heroes as a means to show how he's changed.

Something else, the weapon that was shown earlier this week in Cleveland was the same that Loki held on the truck in the teaser; further connects that Loki summons them, perhaps at the NASA facility or from a SHIELD base.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

I think you're pretty right on with the initial Loki angle, makes sense. Could be that he tries to reconcile with Thor as a means to get SHIELD to listen to him: He forces Hulk to initially fight against the heroes as a means to show how he's changed.

True. I would think Thor would be initially skeptical but eager to welcome back his brother. He obviously cared a lot for him in Thor.

 

[LokiDionysos]

I'm thinking it is that Loki gathers forces from a few realms, like a couple posters have already said, after he deceives shield or whoever. Anyone hear about the giant fireball filmed in the sky? I can't find a link that's not CBM...but some of this sounds like magic and then the tech we've seen seems like Kree or Skrull weaponry but could easily be some other realm's technology and magic, tieing into all the talk about chariots, superscience and also giant monsters.

It would make sense that Loki does summon characters or monsters known to the Asgardians. What if Loki works with/manipulates a few other known cosmic characters, and summons some of the monsters from Norse mythology to help them out.
What if one of the giant monsters that was mentioned is Fin Fang Foom, doubling as the Midgard Serpent for film purposes? It's happened in the comics, and he's an alien dragon, and not necessarily mindless (because of their race's abilities and technology). It would be very entertaining seeing Iron Man and Thor try to take that thing on mid-flight. Or hulk battling it somehow. Plus I think they could alter things a little so that it escapes and sets up Mandarin's powers in Iron Man 3. Also might make the other invading characters not trust Loki when Fin Fang Foom turns out to be sentient and carrying powerful gems.

 

[Raiden]

If Marvel can't use the name Skrull for the aliens in the Avengers, due to copyright violation, then I hope they will come up with the name that they gave to the Skrulls in the Ultimates comics, rather than keeping them anonymous or nameless. It would be lame if the Avengers fought those aliens and still have no clue who they are and where they came from by the end of the movie. I don't want the villains to be just Loki and some generic aliens from outer space.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

If what Poni says is true, the "entities" in question will not be "villains" per say. So that is what makes this tricky to peg. Loki at this point is our only true villain.

Yeah, I think the Aliens will be more like hostile antagonists, but not technically of ill will towards earth, earth just stands between them and the cube and as lower lifeforms, seem inconsequential. Basically, like every Dr Who villain except Daleks :P

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Raiden, according to Poni Boy they won't be Skrulls & and the characters we're getting are VERY recognizable in the Marvel Cosmic lore.

 

[misjuevos]

maybe the scene of loki getting escorted was actually selvin.and it was meant to reiterate that loki is pulling his strings. so maybe selvin was doing "his" research and found something. then selvin is escorted to talk to fury. i've said this before i don't see how shield can make loki do anything he doesn't want to himself. he could just go invisible.

at any rate i like this speculation better than the alien threat stuff that went on for a long time. i want to delve into loki more.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

In the leaked script, Loki orchestrates his own capture by SHIELD.

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah, I think the Aliens will be more like hostile antagonists, but not technically of ill will towards earth, earth just stands between them and the cube and as lower lifeforms, seem inconsequential. Basically, like every Dr Who villain except Daleks :P

I just hope that they don't end up making the so called "aliens" a victim of circumstances where if it wasn't for a misunderstanding or something tragic, that they wouldn't have then attacked Earth.

Granted, I'm not asking for the stereotypical aliens that are all hell bent on destroying everything, but I hope that we don't get a situation where criticism is brought against/towards the Avengers themselves for having battled a 'innocent' species that were misunderstood.

 

[Nokio]

If Marvel can't use the name Skrull for the aliens in the Avengers, due to copyright violation.

Where did you hear this? Marvel owns the Skrulls. Who else would have them? it's already been debunked that FOX owns the rites to the Skrulls. They have the rites to the Super Skrull character and that's it, not the Skrull race.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I think the aliens will represented not as evil, but fairly unsympathetic and uncompromising, since I imagine their need for the cosmic cube is their own survival or to help in a certain 'war' against a certain warring race.

Also, can we please have a villain called Red Skrull?!?

 

[Wolvieboy17]

it's already been debunked that FOX owns the rites to the Skrulls. They have the rites to the Super Skrull character and that's it, not the Skrull race.

I really wouldn't be surprised if the execs at FOX practiced Skrull rites and rituals lol.... Right before devouring a promising franchise and assimilating it into their programming.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Wolvie, you're on to something there. In the leak, the invading force is after The Cube and nothing more. The human race is pretty much collateral damage & they're not exactly feeling guilty about that. They're also being instigated by Loki, so had everything unfolded sans Loki, the invasion may never have happened in the first place. They just want The Cube & SHIELD ain't giving it up.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

It'd be a great way to allude to the shady, hidden agenda side of Fury as well, if at the end they imply that Fury KNEW all the aliens wanted was the cube but didn't want to give it up, and engineered the Avengers so as to be able to keep the cube.

Imagine a menacing, half friendly half hostile confrontation between Cap and fury at the end, where Steve suspects Fury had hidden motives. I mean, Tony or Steve would give up the cube in a heartbeat, I reckon, to save the entire planet.

 

[Herolee10]

I think the aliens will represented not as evil, but fairly unsympathetic and uncompromising, since I imagine their need for the cosmic cube is their own survival or to help in a certain 'war' against a certain warring race.

Also, can we please have a villain called Red Skrull?!?

If it's for their own survival, unless their survival doesn't pose a threat to anyone else, then I wonder why the aliens wouldn't just negotiate with Fury/SHIELD instead of starting a global war?

Also, I wonder why Loki is even interested in the cube in the first place. From what we saw of his character in "Thor", he didn't seem interested in unlimited power, so it's kind of hard for me personally at the moment, to think that he'd be power hungry for the cube right after his fight with Thor...UNLESS...he encountered/experienced something that made him want it.