The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - Part 15

[Herolee10]

It'd be a great way to allude to the shady, hidden agenda side of Fury as well, if at the end they imply that Fury KNEW all the aliens wanted was the cube but didn't want to give it up, and engineered the Avengers so as to be able to keep the cube.

Imagine a menacing, half friendly half hostile confrontation between Cap and fury at the end, where Steve suspects Fury had hidden motives. I mean, Tony or Steve would give up the cube in a heartbeat, I reckon, to save the entire planet.

Wouldn't that draw criticism towards the Avengers though and somewhat, lower the importance of their formation in the first place? I mean if they just got together simply because Fury wanted a powerful team to go up against an alien race that he didn't want to give the cube to, then that could potentially draw criticism and lessen the heroism of the team even.

 

[gmanca]

Well I could see them saying that they need to form a team independent of any government or agency in order to truly protect the world.

 

[misjuevos]

Also, I wonder why Loki is even interested in the cube in the first place. From what we saw of his character in "Thor", he didn't seem interested in unlimited power, so it's kind of hard for me personally at the moment, to think that he'd be power hungry for the cube right after his fight with Thor...UNLESS...he encountered/experienced something that made him want it.

how about everything that happened to him in thor.
like finding out he was a frost giant prince, and odin decieved him, gaining the throne of asgard and losing it. he needs the cube to help him deafeat thor or even take on odin himself.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

If it's for their own survival, unless their survival doesn't pose a threat to anyone else, then I wonder why the aliens wouldn't just negotiate with Fury/SHIELD instead of starting a global war?

Also, I wonder why Loki is even interested in the cube in the first place. From what we saw of his character in "Thor", he didn't seem interested in unlimited power, so it's kind of hard for me personally at the moment, to think that he'd be power hungry for the cube right after his fight with Thor...UNLESS...he encountered/experienced something that made him want it.

Well firstly, we KNOW Loki has experienced something, Hiddleston said in an interview, he is not the same person. Passing through the depths of space warped him and he experienced some things that twisted him. Did you notice the dark veins on his forehead in that after credits scene?

Also, regarding the Aliens motive, I could see it happen a number of ways. Either Fury simply won't give it up for his own motives, spinning for the Avengers how 'dangerous it would be in the hands of aliens' or alternatively, this race simply views Earth as inferior and beneath them so has no qualms taking it (cue American oil company metaphor and Avatar paradigms) or what is just as likely, they DO make contact, sending some signal or some such, asking for the cube, and then when they may not get it, act out of desperation.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Wouldn't that draw criticism towards the Avengers though and somewhat, lower the importance of their formation in the first place? I mean if they just got together simply because Fury wanted a powerful team to go up against an alien race that he didn't want to give the cube to, then that could potentially draw criticism and lessen the heroism of the team even.

It's all worthwhile because they discover they CAN make a difference, just not as a part of the Government. They disassociate with Fury and form their own Avengers, in Avengers Manor, everything owned and paid for by Stark.

 

[Herolee10]

how about everything that happened to him in thor.
like finding out he was a frost giant prince, and odin decieved him, gaining the throne of asgard and losing it. he needs the cube to help him deafeat thor or even take on odin himself.

Well, Loki did say that he never wanted the throne really, and just wanted Odin to see him as a worthy son.

Can the cube theoretically power an "individual" up instead of just being a "source" of power for machines/weapons?

Well firstly, we KNOW Loki has experienced something, Hiddleston said in an interview, he is not the same person. Passing through the depths of space warped him and he experienced some things that twisted him. Did you notice the dark veins on his forehead in that after credits scene?

True, I do remember that. Hmmm...if they go that route, I wouldn't be surprised if they have it revealed that Loki made a deal with someone regarding the cube.

Also, regarding the Aliens motive, I could see it happen a number of ways. Either Fury simply won't give it up for his own motives, spinning for the Avengers how 'dangerous it would be in the hands of aliens' or alternatively, this race simply views Earth as inferior and beneath them so has no qualms taking it (cue American oil company metaphor and Avatar paradigms) or what is just as likely, they DO make contact, sending some signal or some such, asking for the cube, and then when they may not get it, act out of desperation.

I'm kind of hoping for the latter reason, for the Aliens looking down on Earth and choosing to take it by force by any means.

This is just a personal preference of mine, but I'm not sure as to how I'd feel if something as BIG as the avengers forming was because of Fury twisting the truth and for his own selfish reasons.

I want the team to form out of need to protect the Earth from a serious threat against it.

As Whedon said, these guys shouldn't be put in a same team together, so for them to get together, the reason would need to be valid and just..I think.lol

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I think you could do both, have the aliens as a proud, warrior race who will take things by force, but the implication that perhaps Fury didn't do EVERYTHING he could have to diffuse the situation, or merely just that he has plans for the cube.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Wolvie, in the leak, the aliens have been desperately looking for The Tesseract for a long time. Hey, you know what I just noticed? In the midst of the "who's it gonna be" debate, we haven't stopped to evaluate the concept of the invaders not being as grand as we originally thought they'd be. We were expecting an entire empire to invade like in Independence Day, but from what Poni Boy says, it'll only be a small faction. You approve of this smaller number of invaders? Personally, while I prefer the idea of EACH invader being fleshed out & given a voice, I still wish we were getting a full-on Skrull or Kree invasion in the vein of ID4. I feel like having it be just a small group will reduce the danger to humanity which is what I was looking forward to the most. I was hoping for a global attack, for the aliens to make a play at conquering the entire planet. That would also make for tasty cameos from the rest of the yet-to-be-seen MCU around the world (like the Wakandans) fighting the invaders in their land.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

If we're going to openly and directly reference the leaked script, can we use spoiler tags?

 

[Herolee10]

I think you could do both, have the aliens as a proud, warrior race who will take things by force, but the implication that perhaps Fury didn't do EVERYTHING he could have to diffuse the situation, or merely just that he has plans for the cube.

That could work.

*Nods in approval


Though, doesn't the Cosmic Cube technically belong to Thor (albeit to Odin really)?

So shouldn't Fury be giving that back to him? That in itself could help solve any misunderstandings, but given that there always is misunderstandings in films..I wonder how this would go?

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I used to use spoiler tags but after 50 pages of other people NOT using them, I gave up.

 

[craigdbfan]

Just taking a look at this thread.

So was the real deal really leaked? Wow. That's sort of lame.

 

[misjuevos]

Well, Loki did say that he never wanted the throne really, and just wanted Odin to see him as a worthy son.

Can the cube theoretically power an "individual" up instead of just being a "source" of power for machines/weapons?

of course he wanted to rule asgard. loki never said he didn't want to rule asgard, that is why he lied to thor about his banishment. also he lies.

later thor askes why. loki says "to prove to father that i am a worthy son, when he wakes i will have saved his life and i will have destroyed that race of monsters and i will be true heir to the throne."

 

[Herolee10]

of course he wanted to rule asgard. loki never said he didn't want to rule asgard, that is why he lied to thor about his banishment. also he lies.

later thor askes why. loki says "to prove to father that i am a worthy son, when he wakes i will have saved his life and i will have destroyed that race of monsters and i will be true heir to the throne."

Hmmm...maybe it wasn't the 'Throne' itself that Loki wanted, but more on what it meant/represented to him since if Odin were to look at him as someone that was suitable to the throne itself then that to Loki's eyes would have meant that he'd be the "worthy" son.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I used to use spoiler tags but after 50 pages of other people NOT using them, I gave up.

Well let's rise above these other people, eh? :P

Though, doesn't the Cosmic Cube technically belong to Thor (albeit to Odin really)?

So shouldn't Fury be giving that back to him? That in itself could help solve any misunderstandings, but given that there always is misunderstandings in films..I wonder how this would go?

He was safekeeping it as an object of power, as the guardian of the 9 realms, but he had no real ownership over it. Thor may not ever recognise it anyway, I doubt he's privy to all Odin's secret chambers.[/quote]

 

[gmanca]

of course he wanted to rule asgard. loki never said he didn't want to rule asgard, that is why he lied to thor about his banishment. also he lies.

later thor askes why. loki says "to prove to father that i am a worthy son, when he wakes i will have saved his life and i will have destroyed that race of monsters and i will be true heir to the throne."

But in that respect, he didn't want to get the throne by overtaking Odin, but by being the rightful heir instead.

I like the idea of Fury being a company man as opposed to an independent hero; it helps to draw contrasts between the heroes and other entities/people on Earth.

 

[Chewy]

Just taking a look at this thread.

So was the real deal really leaked? Wow. That's sort of lame.

No.

Someone did steal the script but the details never leaked online.

What's being discussed are "spoilers" from IMDB

 

[Herolee10]

Well on another note, I just hope that Josh Whedon has better luck on managing not only the HUGE amount of money that he got for budget than Singer did for SR, but that he chooses wisely as to what to spend that money on when it comes to CGI since that plagued GL's production.

 

[Raiden]

Raiden, according to Poni Boy they won't be Skrulls & and the characters we're getting are VERY recognizable in the Marvel Cosmic lore.

But I heard that those aliens have traits similar to Skrulls, but Marvel can't use the name because Fox holds the rights thanks to FF. Whatever they do, I hope it will be satisfactory to the fans, because the GA probably couldn't care less if they are Skrulls or the aliens from District 9.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Chewy's wrong. I didn't get my script overview from the IMDB guy that posted plot-points at CBM. Neither did Latino Review.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I think Whedon has a much more proven track record with exactly this sort of content than Singer did. He's great at writing interestingly tense action scenes, funny dialogue and managing a heavily character ensemble driven film.

 

[Chewy]

Chewy's wrong. I didn't get my script overview from the IMDB guy that posted plot-points at CBM. Neither did Latino Review.

Latino Review had a "script overview"? Link?

 

[Herolee10]

Correct me if I'm wrong folks, but doesn't the Avengers Panel at D23 take place today (Friday)?

I'm hoping that not only do we get new clips, but for someone to write about what it was.

 

[craigdbfan]

No.

Someone did steal the script but the details never leaked online.

What's being discussed are "spoilers" from IMDB

ic.

So the validity of these rumors aren't very trustworthy I would assume?

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Chewy, Latino Review has the script. The entire script. Trust me.