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Spideyboy, The Inhumans are a small group which Poni Boy says is what The Avengers will be facing. He did however discard the notion of an entire army being the invaders, scratching The Kree & Skrull empires off the list. Now, it could be a small faction of Kree or Skrull warriors as we discussed yesterday. But based on that crashed ship/chariot I'm thinking Kang & his peeps.

If it's the Inhumans, then it would fit what was said about them not necessarily being "villains" and the idea that they're here for resources to win the Kree/Skrull War since Inhumans are basically Krees.

That being said, how would Thanos fit since there was that big scoop he was going to be making an appearance.

I bet we get a triple power play for the cube between Fury, Inhumans, and Loki.
 
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If it's the Inhumans, then it would fit what was said about them not necessarily being "villains" and the idea that they're here for resources to win the Kree/Skrull War since Inhumans are basically Krees.

That being said, how would Thanos fit since there was that big scoop he was going to be making an appearance.
There was a time when Ronan was running the INHUMAN outfit, making them spy on other civilizations & behave like mercenaries. Maybe they've switched Ronan's role in that arc for Thanos. From what Latino Review said "he's definitely in there", I think he'll be the final boss & just oversee the invasion.
 
Spideyboy, The Inhumans are a small group which Poni Boy says is what The Avengers will be facing. He did however discard the notion of an entire army being the invaders, scratching The Kree & Skrull empires off the list. Now, it could be a small faction of Kree or Skrull warriors as we discussed yesterday. But based on that crashed ship/chariot I'm thinking Kang & his peeps.

the inhumans are a large race. the royal family is a small group, and every please don't make me bring up all the evidence they have against them again... Why the hell have guns when they can level the flipping city?. He again... said "ENTIRE ARMY" he never said it couldn't be a small group of kree soldiers.
 
If it's the Inhumans, then it would fit what was said about them not necessarily being "villains" and the idea that they're here for resources to win the Kree/Skrull War since Inhumans are basically Krees.

That being said, how would Thanos fit since there was that big scoop he was going to be making an appearance.

I bet we get a triple power play for the cube between Fury, Inhumans, and Loki.

but why would they skip that far ahead in the history of the inhumans? why ignore the fact they're part human? why ignore that they're not invaders? the inhumans would be completely butchered into something they've never been before... and that's something that marvel IS NOT looking to do with there properties... they arn't FOX.
 
There was a time when Ronan was running the INHUMAN outfit, making them spy on other civilizations & behave like mercenaries. Maybe they've switched Ronan's role in that arc for Thanos. From what Latino Review said "he's definitely in there", I think he'll be the final boss & just oversee the invasion.

this never happend.. the only purpose of the inhumans was to spy/battle against the skrulls. they've only ever done that to the Shi'ar too.. that's it.

Fictional history

At the beginning of the Kree-Skrull War, millions of years ago in Earth time, the alien Kree established a station on the planet Uranus, a strategic position between the Kree and Skrull empires. Through their work at this station, they discovered that sentient life on nearby Earth had genetic potential invested in it by the alien Celestials. Intrigued, the Kree began to experiment on Earth's then-primitive Homo sapiens to produce the genetically advanced Inhuman race. Their goal was apparently twofold — to investigate possible ways of circumventing their own evolutionary stagnation, and to create a powerful mutant race of soldiers for use against the Skrulls. However, although their experiments were successful in creating a strain of humanity with extraordinary abilities, the Kree abandoned their experiment for reasons which are not yet clear.

Their test subjects, the Inhumans, went on to form a society of their own, which thrived in seclusion from the rest of humanity and developed advanced technology. Experiments with the mutagenic Terrigen Mist (a process known as Terrigenesis) gave them various powers, but also caused lasting genetic damage and deformities. This led to a long-term selective breeding program to try to mitigate the effects of these mutations.

Attilan's society and culture are predicated on a conformist belief system which permits individuality as it applies to genetic development and physical and mental ability, but demands rigid conformity in that each member of society is assigned a place within that society according to those abilities following exposure to the Terrigen Mist. Once assigned, no Inhuman, no matter how great or powerful, can change their place within this rigid caste system.The Inhumans' culture also strictly prohibits miscegenation between Inhumans and other races.[citation needed] Although a member of the Royal Family, the Inhuman Crystal ignored this prohibition to wed the mutant Quicksilver.

The Inhumans are led by their king, Black Bolt, and his Royal Family, consisting of Medusa, Karnak, Gorgon, Triton, Crystal, Maximus the Mad, and the canine Lockjaw. Both Crystal and Medusa have been members of the Fantastic Four; Crystal has also been a member of the Avengers.

Black Bolt has guided the Inhumans through some of the most turbulent times in their history, including several attempts by Maximus to usurp the throne, revolts by the worker class (with their eventual emancipation), attacks by human renegades, the kidnapping of Medusa, the destruction and rebuilding of Attilan, and the revelation of the Inhuman existence to humanity.

His role as king of the Inhumans has been tumultuous. The first major crisis occurred when he and Medusa conceived a child. Medusa bore the child in defiance of the Genetic Council, who felt that Black Bolt's bloodline was too dangerous to pass on. The Council nonetheless took the child to examine, and forbade parental contact. Black Bolt was torn between his love of family and his duty to respect the Genetic Council, and it was only when the Council was revealed to be using his son in a plot against him that he finally turned against the Council. With that, he also gave up the crown as king of the Inhumans. For a while, they lived away from Attilan, but returned in times of need.

The once-secret existence of the race has come to light among the general public as the Inhumans interact more often with many of Earth's superheroes — including the Fantastic Four, the Avengers, and the X-Men — whom they have aided against threats such as Doctor Doom,Galactus,Ultron 7,Magneto, and Apocalypse.

Inhuman society changed radically when Ronan the Accuser sought to use the Inhumans as an army to disrupt the Shi'ar control of the Kree after their defeat in the Kree-Shi'ar War. Appearing over the city of Attilan, Ronan seized control in a surprise attack and forced the Inhumans and their king, Black Bolt, to obey, or he would destroy their only home and everyone in it. During their time in forced servitude, Ronan revealed that the Inhumans had always been intended as weapons in service to the Kree. To this end, much of the genetic attributes that were encoded in them during the original experiments were meant to give them the abilities and appearances of various alien races, the idea being that these Inhuman slaves could be used to infiltrate alien worlds and races to conduct espionage or assassinations to weaken potential conquests. Ronan used the Inhumans in just this manner, disrupting treaties being negotiated by the Shi'ar, and launching attacks on ships and bases.

Eventually, Black Bolt sought to free his people by challenging Ronan to a personal battle. If Ronan won, the Inhumans would continue to serve him. If the king won, the Inhumans would go free. After a terrible battle, Black Bolt won and Ronan, demonstrating that the Kree still had honor, kept his word and left the Inhumans. All was not over however, as the Inhumans were not willing to just follow Black Bolt back to Earth. Pressure had been building in the closed society of Attilan since open contact with the outside world had been made. During their enslavement by Ronan, the Inhumans had wished for their freedom, but had also developed a sense of pride in their power and a belief in their own destiny. They no longer believed that Black Bolt or the Royal Family was fit to lead them in the new life they wanted, and they exiled the Royal Family from Attilan.The Royal Family returned to Earth to find their destiny. After suffering bigotry while living in Latveria, they returned to Attilan, which was located on the Blue Area of the Moon. The Inhumans began to foster better relations with Earth by sending students to a Wisconsin university.

Throughout history, their city Attilan has frequently been relocated and, as of the 2008 "War of Kings" story arc, has taken off from the oxygen-bearing Blue Area of the Moon into space.


In the events of Son of M, Quicksilver stole the Terrigen Crystals in an attempt to regain his powers and cure the de-powered mutants from M-Day. The theft led to a conflict on Genosha between the re-powered mutants (whose powers came back as too powerful for their own good causing their eventual surrender), the Inhumans, and the U.S. Office of National Emergency. The conflict ended with the O.N.E. confiscating the Terrigen Crystals, an act that incited Black Bolt to verbally declare war on the United States.


In January 2007, the mini-series Silent War began, with Gorgon launching a first strike on New York.[20] Although the Inhumans do manage to recover the crystals, the episode ends with Maximus again taking control of Attilan.


It has recently been revealed that Black Bolt has been replaced by a Skrull impostor, in a time frame after Silent War, but before World War Hulk.The impostor revealed himself to the Illuminati and was killed. Both the sudden rift between Medusa and Black Bolt apparent in Silent War and Black Bolt's later defeat at the hands of Hulk in World War Hulk could be attributed to this development, for it is uncertain just when Black Bolt might have been replaced by his Skrull duplicate.


Written by Heroes writer Joe Pokaski, this story digs into how the Inhuman Royal Family deals with the news that the Black Bolt they knew was a Skrull impostor. The Skrulls attack Attilan while Black Bolt is revealed to be a prisoner of the Skrulls, who intend to use his voice as a weapon of mass destruction. The Inhuman Royal Family defeated several Skrulls soldiers and took a Skrull ship with the point of taking the war to the Skrulls and save Black Bolt. With some help from the Kree, they rescue Black Bolt and return to Attilan.

Finally deciding they will no longer be used and abused by other races, the Inhumans take drastic action to ensure their survival as a race. To that end, they activate a series of long dormant machines beneath the city of Attilan, transforming it into a gigantic starship, powered by Black Bolt's voice. Breaking free from its resting place on the Moon, Attilan enters hyperspace and tracks down the remnants of the Skrull Armada, completely eradicating it. As Attilan enters Shi'ar space, it attracts the attention of three Shi'ar warships, who order them to depart or they will open fire. They, too are destroyed without mercy.

Attilan reaches the planet Hala, destroying the protective shield that guards their weakened empire and enter the planet itself. The Royal Family confronts Ronan the Accuser, who is serving as king. He admitted he felt that he was just holding the spot of ruler for their true king, Black Bolt (like the Celestials, the Kree experimented on the humans to create the perfect weapons and the Inhumans were created, but Black Bolt declined the seat of king, then).


The Inhuman Royal Family confront the Unspoken (who happens to be Black Bolt's cousin).

The Inhumans seized control of the Kree Empire, with the promise of jump-starting the Kree's stagnant genetic makeup. As part of the arrangement, Crystal marries the Kree leader Ronan the Accuser. During the wedding, Vulcan with the Shi'ar attempts to seize control of the Kree Empire. After severe casualties on both sides, Black Bolt and Vulcan are killed in single combat. The resulting energy creates "The Fault" and destroys most of the Shi'ar fleet. Without their fleet and with their rulers dead, the Shi'ar surrender.

Back on Earth, the Fantastic Four encounter an interstellar group of Inhumans, formed from four different races (Centaurian, Dire Wraiths, Kymellian, and Badoon). These new Inhumans reveal that the Kree also experimented other interstellar races, aside from humans, and used methods other than the Terrigen Mists. The resulting Universal Inhumans have banded together and traveled to Earth in search of Black Bolt, who they believe will lead their collective people in an eventual takeover of Earth. When Black Bolt returned, the Universal Inhumans arrive on Earth's moon where a prophecy revolving around the four cities is revealed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhumans
 
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but why would they skip that far ahead in the history of the inhumans? why ignore the fact they're part human? why ignore that they're not invaders? the inhumans would be completely butchered into something they've never been before... and that's something that marvel IS NOT looking to do with there properties... they arn't FOX.
You keep talking as if Marvel Studios would ever produce an INHUMANS movie that would deeply delve into their rich decade-old history. And Marvel's made tons of changes to their villains over the last 5 films. Stane, Whiplash, Hammer, the Abomination character was completely redesigned, etc...
 
I don't think we can assume anything. You can't assume Kang from the chariot the same way you can't assume Kree from the weapons or Skrulls for the shapeshifting. One of the main things we know is that this ISN'T directly from the comics, they've tweaked things and made an MCU version of aliens, so it could be any combination of things.
 
You keep talking as if Marvel Studios would ever produce an INHUMANS movie that would deeply delve into their rich decade-old history. And Marvel's made tons of changes to their villains over the last 5 films. Stane, Whiplash, Hammer, the Abomination character was completely redesigned, etc...

that's just it. These arn't villains. They're not going to change them into villains. Villains are usually changed to some degree... but the heroes are not. They've even toyed around with the idea of doing a movie based off of them. They're not going to change there history that drastically... what you describe turns them into not even a shell of what they are. They're a royal family (who grew up royals, and come from a long royal ancestry) of a race that turned against there makers. It's extremly pivotal to there history. As is the fact that they were once HUMAN BEINGS (thus "inhumans")
 
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You keep talking as if Marvel Studios would ever produce an INHUMANS movie that would deeply delve into their rich decade-old history. And Marvel's made tons of changes to their villains over the last 5 films. Stane, Whiplash, Hammer, the Abomination character was completely redesigned, etc...

But how much did they change Thor? Cap? Iron Man? How much did they change the protagonists? Hardly at all. There were tweaks here and there but the important parts were intact. Having the Inhumans WITHOUT powers, that would be ruining the characters.
 
but why would they skip that far ahead in the history of the inhumans? why ignore the fact they're part human? why ignore that they're not invaders? the inhumans would be completely butchered into something they've never been before... and that's something that marvel IS NOT looking to do with there properties... they arn't FOX.

Who said butcher?

You need to calm down when it comes to these discussions.

That being said, they'd still be part human. But they were enhanced by the Kree so that makes them Krees. They would then be trying to get the Cube to help win the Kree/Skrull war. How is that butchering anything? It's been stated plainly that this movie is not some direct translation of adventures in the Avengers comics. Whedon is taking a little here, a little there.
 
You keep talking as if Marvel Studios would ever produce an INHUMANS movie that would deeply delve into their rich decade-old history. And Marvel's made tons of changes to their villains over the last 5 films. Stane, Whiplash, Hammer, the Abomination character was completely redesigned, etc...

Thank you.
 
They might work in the context of the Avengers film, but if they go ahead with their idea for an Inhumans movie, it would be so radically different I don't know why you'd do a movie at all
 
They might work in the context of the Avengers film, but if they go ahead with their idea for an Inhumans movie, it would be so radically different I don't know why you'd do a movie at all

We don't even know how they'd be portrayed in the Avengers to even say that.
 
Wolvie, nobody's assuming anything. We're trying to make educated guesses based on what we have so far. Spideyboy is convinced that it won't be The Inhumans. He could be right. Others like Rock & me think Inhumans are a possibility. I also think Kang's a possibility. What we know from Poni, is that these characters ARE from the comics. They're a small group, not a whole empire, that's not necessarily "bad" per say. They're not Celestials, or Eternals, or Deviants. They could be Inhumans, Kang & co. or a small faction of Kree or Skrulls.
 
Wolvie, nobody's assuming anything. We're trying to make educated guesses based on what we have so far. Spideyboy is convinced that it won't be The Inhumans. He could be right. Others like Rock & me think Inhumans are a possibility. I also think Kang's a possibility. What we know from Poni, is that these characters ARE from the comics. They're a small group, not a whole empire, that's not necessarily "bad" per say. They're not Celestials, or Eternals, or Deviants. They could be Inhumans, Kang & co. or a small faction of Kree or Skrulls.

If we're going by Poni's scoop, we also know the Kree and Skrulls are mentioned in the movie. Why else would they be mentioned unless this group (that are not exactly "villainous") isn't related to one of them ..... hence the Inhuman/Kree link. Also a lot of the blurbs I saw about Marvel wanting to do the Inhumans pondered if they'd tie them into the Avengers first. This would not surprise me given how they're unspooling these characters to create more movie familiarity.

Kang is villain and wouldn't fit Poni's description.
 
They might work in the context of the Avengers film, but if they go ahead with their idea for an Inhumans movie, it would be so radically different I don't know why you'd do a movie at all

exactly.

there's also several facts leading AGAINST the inhumans that it does infact really annoy me that people completely ignore it, when they don't bother to do any research about the characters.

-Weaponry (the inhumans don't need them.. they are them, it be as silly as giving laser guns to the x-men, or wolverine a knife)
-motion capture suits (the inhumans don't need them, have never even warn outfits that would need that
-hand to hand combat... only one inhuman is skilled in hand to hand combat
-blackbolt with a single whipser can level nyc
-there's no females shown in these suits.. even though 2 of the most prominant inhumans are females
-they are an important team to the marvel universe.. and would most likely get their own film eventually... thus marvel would cast at least a few KNOWN actors in these roles.

if people honestly believe the inhumans have a chance in this film.. they might as well believe it's Namor and Atlantis invading... Hercules and the Olympian Pantheon invading, the Invader's invading, the Savage Land Mutates invading... Moleman and his Moloids invading... or the High Evolutionary and his "animal people".
 
exactly.

there's also several facts leading AGAINST the inhumans that it does infact really annoy me that people completely ignore it, when they don't bother to do any research about the characters.

Your arrogance in this discussion annoys me. Just sayin'. The man who knows it all about a movie that hardly has anything known about it.
 
Wolvie, nobody's assuming anything. We're trying to make educated guesses based on what we have so far. Spideyboy is convinced that it won't be The Inhumans. He could be right. Others like Rock & me think Inhumans are a possibility. I also think Kang's a possibility. What we know from Poni, is that these characters ARE from the comics. They're a small group, not a whole empire, that's not necessarily "bad" per say. They're not Celestials, or Eternals, or Deviants. They could be Inhumans, Kang & co. or a small faction of Kree or Skrulls.

that's just it.. it's not an educated guess when you only have clues from Poni boy.. "not saying them" and several facts i've just listed that make that scenerio HIGHLY unlikely.

you seem to have the mentality "well i haven't really heard of them, nor know anything about them.. so i really don't care if everything is changed about them"
 
It's fairly obvious the invading aliens will NOT have discernible, distinct personalities.
 
Your arrogance in this discussion annoys me. Just sayin'. The man who knows it all about a movie that hardly has anything known about it.

and some people's ignorance of characters when i've given them plenty of links, information to read up on, and lots of examples of proof that shows they're highly unlikely.. and yet they still don't listen, annoys me...
 
It's fairly obvious the invading aliens will NOT have discernible, distinct personalities.

i'm leaning to that too.. there's no way they'd be distinct characters yet only played by stunt men (unless there robots or non humanoid creatures...)
 
and some people's ignorance of characters when i've given them plenty of links, information to read up on, and lots of examples of proof that shows they're highly unlikely.. and yet they still don't listen, annoys me...

Chill out. It's a discussion. You act like your life is tied to it.
 
Loki's the God of Evil, he's also a master manipulator. I don't think it would be easy to just take the Cube from him. He would put up some sort of a fight, either using a weapon, his magic, or his mind. However, you do make a great point. Whoever the villains are, I'm VERY excited.

Please bear in mind: Loki is NOT the God of Evil. He's the God of Mischief. He's a trickster god, and tricksters are not by definition evil. (That doesn't mean they can't do Very Bad things.)

You're more on the mark with saying that he's a master manipulator. Yes, he's a liar. He's also an embodiment of chaos. But just as Thor is a god of storms, chaos is a force of nature, and can't always be easily categorized as good or evil. It exists for its own sake.

That ought to typify Loki. His goals are his own, and nobody can truly count on him as an ally, or as a pure enemy.
 
i'm leaning to that too.. there's no way they'd be distinct characters yet only played by stunt men (unless there robots or non humanoid creatures...)

Uhhhh The Hulk? He's played by a guy in a MoCap suit. Just thought I'd catch you up.
 
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