The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - Part 15

[misjuevos]

Hmmm...maybe it wasn't the 'Throne' itself that Loki wanted, but more on what it meant/represented to him since if Odin were to look at him as someone that was suitable to the throne itself then that to Loki's eyes would have meant that he'd be the "worthy" son.

the throne of asgard to loki represents power. he would have inherited the odinforce if odin deemed him a worthy heir.

But in that respect, he didn't want to get the throne by overtaking Odin, but by being the rightful heir instead.

he knew odin was in the odinsleep and would wake up rejuvenated, so rather than fight him he tried an elaborate plan to make himself seem more worthy than thor to inherit the throne and the odinforce. that is why he made thor think he had no hope of returning to asgard so odin would think thor just gave up. but would be like thor is not worthy but look what loki has done for me and asgard.

all of this is loki's complex plan. that is why he is awesome he is working so many angles.

 

[Chewy]

Chewy, Latino Review has the script. The entire script. Trust me.

Hahaha. Ok.

 

[Chewy]

ic.

So the validity of these rumors aren't very trustworthy I would assume?

Yeah, I wouldn't really pay it any mind.

 

[Raiden]

I think Whedon has a much more proven track record with exactly this sort of content than Singer did. He's great at writing interestingly tense action scenes, funny dialogue and managing a heavily character ensemble driven film.

I think it helps the fact that Whedon has experiences not only writing comics for Marvel, but also maintained long-running ensemble series and even directed full-featured film. I think being both a writer and a director may help him identity certain parts of the script that may not work well, and be able to improve those weak spots. Whedon knows the importance of this movie, and if he succeed it will not only help Marvel Studios, but his own film career as well.

 

[Herolee10]

the throne of asgard to loki represents power. he would have inherited the odinforce if odin deemed him a worthy heir.


he knew odin was in the odinsleep and would wake up rejuvenated, so rather than fight him he tried an elaborate plan to make himself seem more worthy than thor to inherit the throne and the odinforce. that is why he made thor think he had no hope of returning to asgard so odin would think thor just gave up. but would be like thor is not worthy but look what loki has done for me and asgard.

all of this is loki's complex plan. that is why he is awesome he is working so many angles.

Idk; I mean I'm not saying that you're wrong necessarily. It was just my own impression that everything Loki was doing in the film was based on his desire to be accepted as a son more worthy than Thor in Odin's eyes, hence why he told Odin "I could have done it father, for you...for all of us!", only to let go when Odin replied by saying "no".

They didn't even mention the "odinforce" specifically in the film, thus the audience wouldn't know about it, and even if that were his plan, how would GA's know of that unless it was talked about and revealed essentially as to it being the thing that he wanted?

Plus, even if he wanted it, couldn't he have just gotten it if Odin was killed in his sleep?

 

[Herolee10]

I think it helps the fact that Whedon has experiences not only writing comics for Marvel, but also maintained long-running ensemble series and even directed full-featured film. I think being both a writer and a director may help him identity certain parts of the script that may not work well, and be able to improve those weak spots. Whedon knows the importance of this movie, and if he succeed it will not only help Marvel Studios, but his own film career as well.

Well, Chris Evans did say that Josh would talk to the actors after a take to see if the scene felt right with the dialogue that they had used, and improvise it if they thought that they could do better.

 

[gmanca]

Idk; I mean I'm not saying that you're wrong necessarily. It was just my own impression that everything Loki was doing in the film was based on his desire to be accepted as a son more worthy than Thor in Odin's eyes, hence why he told Odin "I could have done it father, for you...for all of us!", only to let go when Odin replied by saying "no".

Plus, even if he wanted it, couldn't he have just gotten it if Odin was killed in his sleep?

Yeah, that's where I'm coming from as well; if the throne and all of the power that came with it was just Loki's goal, he could have, at the very least, let the Frost Giants kill Odin in his sleep.

The movie makes it pretty clear that Loki's out for acceptance and approval not ruthless revenge for power and it's that nuance that made him such a great character, let alone a great villain.

 

[misjuevos]

Idk; I mean I'm not saying that you're wrong necessarily. It was just my own impression that everything Loki was doing in the film was based on his desire to be accepted as a son more worthy than Thor in Odin's eyes, hence why he told Odin "I could have done it father, for you...for all of us!", only to let go when Odin replied by saying "no".

They didn't even mention the "odinforce" specifically in the film, thus the audience wouldn't know about it, and even if that were his plan, how would GA's know of that unless it was talked about and revealed essentially as to it being the thing that he wanted?

Plus, even if he wanted it, couldn't he have just gotten it if Odin was killed in his sleep?

ok fine let's take the odinforce out. he did get gungnir and control over the destroyer armor, which was explained briefly to the audience. so let's say his motivation was to keep the throne and inherit gungnir and the control of the destroyer. though i have to say they didn't mention the odinforce but couldn't the audience tell that odin had a far greater power than everyone else. look how he just took mjolnir from thor and the whole banishment scene.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Chewy, you remind me of my Uncle Angelo. Me and the fam would take him out to a bar to watch a Sox game & the whole time he'd act like he knew the outcome of the game before the first pitch was even thrown. Half the time the Sox would lose but Angelo would still act completely reassured that they wouldn't fail. Chewy, you really don't know anything, so telling Craig that the leaked details being discussed are not to be "worried about" might prove very misleading come May. But I'm sure you'll forget all about these bold statements you made by then ; ) me on the other hand, I'll stick to the old "it could be true" ideology.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Can't we all just get along?

 

[itchyscratch]

This Cleveland.com site asks locals to report their Avengers sightings and has a few pics and videos.

http://www.cleveland.com/avengers/

 

[Chewy]

What's really fun here is that you're trying to pass off this "script outline" you got as legitimate but it happened to make no mention of who the "alien invaders" are

I know the exact same amount of info regarding the movie as you do, just like everyone else here.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

No, Chewy, if you go back and read through my posts, you'll notice I always remember to acknowledge the possibility of what I've read being innacurate. You on the other hand make statements like "The Inhumans won't be in this film." "The alleged script leak is fake so let's not worry about it." Bold statements that can mislead people just stepping into the forum.

 

[Chewy]

Yeah, I do. And I 100% stand behind those statements. I'm not into playing the vague BS loophole "I said maybe!!!" game. There is no way the villains in this flick are the Inhumans and it'd be wonderful if you stopped pushing this fake "leak" every couple of days.

 

[itchyscratch]

Hah! Cleveland casualties.

http://photos.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/2011/08/more_movie_explosions_and_rubb.html

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Fair enough Alexei, but anyone joining this page in the last 2 days is being given much the same impression about this film from you, Poni, Marvel_Freshman, and regardless of how authentic a source more be, the principle is still the same. Potentially misleading.

Also, you said you read the whole script, yet were the loudest voice clamouring for details from Poni. So what Poni is saying contradicts your leaked script then?

P.S. Use spoiler tags if you're going to mention script elements (which you really, don't HAVE to do)

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Chewy, thanks for reiterating your baseless declarations. Also, when the movie opens and you're there in the theatre watching details from the leak start to unfold, remember that I will quote all these bold assertions that you posted 9 months prior when I visit the hype after the midnight screening. Even if The Inhumans have a slim chance of being in the film,

Spoiler

Loki orchestrating his own capture and the alien army seeking The Tesseract to power their world

are things that are most probably going to play a role in the film. So yeah, everytime you call the leak "fake" you challenge the aforementioned details which are FROM the leak.

 

[Herolee10]

ok fine let's take the odinforce out. he did get gungnir and control over the destroyer armor, which was explained briefly to the audience. so let's say his motivation was to keep the throne and inherit gungnir and the control of the destroyer. though i have to say they didn't mention the odinforce but couldn't the audience tell that odin had a far greater power than everyone else. look how he just took mjolnir from thor and the whole banishment scene.

Well given the fact that Loki has probably seen Thor in action throughout the centuries that they've known each other, I don't think the power of having the Destroyer would really seem that big to him in contrast to Thor's power (especially since Thor easily defeated the Destroyer)

And yeah, it was well established that Odin was stronger than Thor, but there was nothing to imply imho, that Loki would know of a way to gain Odin's power for his own.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Wolvie, so far, nothing that Poni's said has contradicted the outline that I read. But because I trust him as a source, I'm inclined to inquire on what he knows. If something he says contradicts what I read I'll be in a conundrum of speculation. But I'm mainly expecting to hear things I already know, just in a more detailed way. For instance, what I read does not disclose the identity of the invaders. But since they can shape-shift, they sounded like Skrulls to me. Thing is, there are so many cosmic beings in the Marvel Universe that it could easily be some other group. So Poni's info on them not necessarily being Skrulls fits. The stuff he said about them not being pronounced villains is something I had read about in the leak -

Spoiler

the aliens have been searching for The Cube a long time & really need it to save their world. They really never intended to invade Earth, but Loki makes them believe it'll take war to acquire it.

 

[TheBroCode]

I'm just sick of coming on here and seeing people claim they know this, that and the other but refusing to reveal what exactly it is they know! It's a power thing, and an EGO thing. It would be like me opening an account here, telling you all that I read the leaked script and stringing you along saying, "Oh, it's not that, but it might be something else" over and over.

If MarvelFreshman and Poni Boy were so confident in their sources, they'd be posting it on their respective websites. Not coming on a forum for discussion and lording it over everyone when the fact is they probably know **** all. It's arrogance, and it's BORING. If you know something, share it, if you don't, keep it to yourself.

 

[marvel_freshman]

The reason I'm not posting it on my site is because what comes along with with sources, comes friendship, and lawsuits. And I'm still shocked some people haven't realized what is from a few a pages back. If we did come out and say what it was, would that make you believe us anymore than you do now? I honestly don't think so. Another reason is I don't know what they're changing specifically for the movie.

EDIT: You'll find out specifically and officially when Marvel wants you to know.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Holy crap. Its THE INHUMANS. Hoooooly crap. Now I can rest.

 

[marvel_freshman]

I've never heard speculating referred to as boring, it's quite funner than actually getting official news to me. I know you guys wanna know badly who it is, but what's the enjoyment of finding out so soon when the movie is like 9 months. Let your mind roam and be free Besides, there still are other possibilities.

 

[Herolee10]

Holy crap. Its THE INHUMANS. Hoooooly crap. Now I can rest.

And you came to that conclusion how?

 

[Herolee10]

I've never heard speculating referred to as boring, it's quite funner than actually getting official news to me. I know you guys wanna know badly who it is, but what's the enjoyment of finding out so soon when the movie is like 9 months. Let your mind roam and be free Besides, there still are other possibilities.

lol.

If I may be so bold to ask two questions then;

1. Have you heard as to who they MIGHT be using for villains in the film?

2. Assuming if you did, and I can respect you not being able to say due to the reasons that you stated above, but if I may ask, as a fan yourself, are YOU satisfied with who they might have picked?