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[Gamma Goliath]

Thats exactly what I was telling Gamma Goliath when I first saw the picture xD

I really wonder what exactly they're fighting.

 

[lixdexia]

I really wonder what exactly they're fighting.

in that picture, it's one of the swat type guys we see loki rolling with in the trailer

 

[marvel_freshman]

If it really is one of those guys, it's strange that Nick Fury is aiming at him. Who knows.

 

[CustomFib]

in that picture, it's one of the swat type guys we see loki rolling with in the trailer

Idk, it really really looks like a predator...or some kind of intergalactic gangster

 

[lixdexia]

If it really is one of those guys, it's strange that Nick Fury is aiming at him. Who knows.

meh, if a group of those guys started attacking me, my team or not i'd aim at them

Idk, it really really looks like a predator...or some kind of intergalactic gangster

it's just the angle and the shadows man.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

in that picture, it's one of the swat type guys we see loki rolling with in the trailer

could be loki posing as fury.

 

[Quasimod0]

Well since we cant see the full context of that shot we cant really judge exactly what fury or the mystery man are doing and why

 

[Herolee10]

Well, IF that thing that's attacking Fury is actually a part of Loki's forces, then I think that it's somewhat of a possibility that we may see his army comprised of different species and forces.

Plus, another interesting thing is that on the photo at the very top that one of the "aliens" seems to be wearing a cape as well supposedly, so I'm even curious to see as to what these things look like.

 

[Marvin]

davy jones crew strikes again

 

[CustomFib]

it's just the angle and the shadows man.

But the dreads! Its gotta be some kind of predator dreads, us girls know these kind of things xP lmao just kidding, who knows what it is, I dont think it's an agent though

 

[Marvin]

Hulk is the most likely to not return for 2 imo

I don't see marvel giving him another movie of his own at this point, and he's probably going to be the show stopper with the least screen time so I would tend to disagree. Not only will he be back for two but he most likely will only exist in this movies.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Regarding the potential roster change, I think 4 films is enough for Tony Stark. Same goes for Banner with 3 (even if Universal's HULK doesn't count in this continuity, to the GA it does). How long can RDJ play this guy? The man's gettin' old & I don't want Tony turning into the Roger Moore 007. I also don't want them to recast the character. After IM3, I say just let Tony fade out. Have him in cameos in future films, maybe even make him Director of SHIELD down the line. Just retire him from "active duty" so younger, less exposed Avengers can get some game time. I really think the GA won't miss Tony in the next Avengers flick with guys like Black Panther & Doctor Strange on the team.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

The tragedy that is Bruce Banner is too interesting to reduce in favor of more Hulk. You need an even amount of both. TIH did that very well. You felt for Norton & when he turned you felt for him even more. The scene in the College Campus was more about Betty finally understanding the gravity of their situation than Hulk's clash with the Army. The scene in the cave was perfect & a great conclusion to the prior scene. She sees what he really is both under fire & away from it. She's the first person to realize that the beast is not a beast at all. She sees Banner underneath the green. TIH really sold me on the concept of Bruce finally accepting the monster within. The series & Lee's film were about Banner rejecting Hulk & deeming it a curse. TIH embraced the Hulk. I'm hoping this version of the character isn't a reboot of the state of mind Norton's Hulk achieved in the closing statement of that film. I wanna see a Banner that understands its irresponsible to rid himself of the curse.

In all honesty, I was never truly sold on the Hulk until I watched all of the deleted scenes in TIH. There was a great element to that character that I had never really given any notice to before that Norton and Lettrier captured perfectly. He's still not my favorite among all the heroes, but I definitely get why he's a favorite now.

That being said, I'm not completely sure how close Avengers is going to stick to the Banner that Norton portrayed in TIH. The angle there was as you said, him accepting the beast, or at least understanding it. From the footage description we received, it sounds a lot more like Banner is extremely frightened of the Hulk and not as accepting. I'm sure there are other circumstances to consider though, i.e. him not wanting to Hulk out around a bunch of patients he's trying to take care of, or him simply not trusting any government agency with what's inside of him. But right now it seems as though he's trying to distance himself from Hulk again. Although he is calling him "He" so I could be wrong. In TIH Norton only referred to Hulk as "It."

Either way, I do believe it has serious potential to turn out great. I like seeing the tortured Banner just as much as I like seeing the Banner in control, so I think I'll be ok.

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[cherokeesam]

as soon as I have the equipment to do so, I will. I can assure you that.

On a related note: It's astounding that nobody in the auditorium thought to ask about this 2 year gap since not only is that a big hole in the story but it also doesn't fit with the very tight narrative of the MCU so far. Those fans at the NYCC had the chance to ask Feige about it and nobody did. I know that probably no one realized that what Natasha said was an absolute game changer right after they saw the footage, but c'mon, there were hundreds of fans in the room. SOMEONE must have noticed...

Some of you people are making a far bigger deal out of a 2-year gap than needs be. Yes, a lot of us (myself included) just naturally *assumed* that the movies were flowing in a rapid-fire pattern with little or no break between them; but why does it have to be that way? The Avengers story still makes perfect sense if you allow 2 years of leeway to pass (considering that the *actual* time since the first movie, IM, will be *4* years). It gives Cap time to assimilate somewhat while still retaining his man-out-of-time essence; gives Loki time to explore the cosmos and gather his power and assemble an army; gives Selvig time to put together a working wormhole/Einstein-Rosen bridge; gives Thor time to mature in Asgard; gives Banner more time to control and evolve not only the Hulk, but himself.

I think 2 years is the perfect amount of time for all these things to come to pass.

What can Captain America 2 really be about between TFA and TA? He is still adjusting to the world in The Avengers, so unless the majority of CA2 is flashbacks and about Winter Soldier, its gonna be set after this film.

Yeah, I certainly hope the Thor, Cap and IM3 sequels all follow sequentially after Avengers. Even though you could backpedal and fill in some of that "missing time" during those 2 years, the "keep it simple, stupid" audiences (especially kids, and people who just want popcorn entertainment out of their superhero flicks instead of something that requires a lot of cerebral input) are going to be very confused and/or irritated if the prequels to the sequels insinuate that the Avengers haven't already assembled (especially if Avengers turns into a runaway hit).

I doubt strange will be avengers involved. Just because he's in phase two of the movie plans doesn't mean he'll be in avengers. I don't see why he'd be involved.

Agreed. Some posters (and some bloggers) are reading too much into Feige's statement that Strange will be "Phase II." (Or rather that he *wants* Strange to be Phase II.) Phase II just means the next era of Marvel films; hell, Guardians of the Galaxy and Luke Cage and some other rumored projects might well be considered "Phase II," without ever becoming part of the Avengers' over-arcing metastory.

I'd be fine with less SHIELD involvement, Hulk leaving for a solo, and the addition of a couple classic members like the Pyms and BP.

Agreed, too.
I'm a fan of a rotating Avengers roster....or more specifically, sequels which focus on some of the new guys & gals. Drop Hulk and Black Widow and Hawkeye out, and have Panther, Ant-Man, Wasp and whoever else get their 15 minutes of fame before rotating some more guys into Avengers 3....But I *don't* want to see Cap, Thor or Iron Man EVER off the team --- they are the Avengers' essential Big Three, in the same way that the Justice League's Big Three (Supes, Bats and Wondy) absolutely *must* be part of the franchise, always.

Well, IF that thing that's attacking Fury is actually a part of Loki's forces, then I think that it's somewhat of a possibility that we may see his army comprised of different species and forces.

*If* the pic shows a helmet-head with dreads, Predator-style, I submit (once again) that they look *exactly* like The Phalanx. Which would make some sense.

But I don't think it *is* a "guy with dreads." The picture is way too vague to make out clear details, and I also agree that the picture could just as easily be a SHIELD spec ops trooper with a helmet on. Or just a stunt guy in mocap.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah... im pretty positive that that's just a shield agent... and the dreads are his "back", and fury i just signalling fire

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

cherokeesam, I too wish that we could make the Evans/RDJ/Hemsworth combo last forever, but nature just won't allow it. Downey will be 47 as he shoots IM3. He'd be 50 in a potential Avengers 2 & he's no Johnny Depp. The guy looks old. Again, I'd bench Stark after IM3. I can see Cap & Thor sticking around for at least 2 more solo films each & 2 Avengers sequels, but "Old Man Stark" just doesn't work for me.

 

[Tony Starkk]

cherokeesam, I too wish that we could make the Evans/RDJ/Hemsworth combo last forever, but nature just won't allow it. Downey will be 47 as he shoots IM3. He'd be 50 in a potential Avengers 2 & he's no Johnny Depp. The guy looks old. Again, I'd bench Stark after IM3. I can see Cap & Thor sticking around for at least 2 more solo films each & 2 Avengers sequels, but "Old Man Stark" just doesn't work for me.

RDJ doesn't look old. And besides Stark isn't supposed to be young anyway. He looks virtually the same in Iron Man 1 and The Avengers.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

AB, I guess I agree and disagree. He has definitely shown more signs of aging recently than most of his acting peers, but along with IM3 we've also got to assume there's a Sherlock 3 in the mix as well, an extremely physical role. If he's capable of doing that after IM3, then who's to say he can't do more? He's definitely sold me as Stark, I really enjoy him in the role. And we do seem to be witnessing the age of traditional trilogies being reshaped into something else entirely. I guess it depends on whether or not he feels he's up for it. It does seem like he cares a lot about the character.

All that being said, if we see another Stark in the future, who's to say that wouldn't be cool too? I guess we'll see in a couple of years.

 

[lixdexia]

i don't think we're in danger of RDJ disappering for the sequel, he's already contracted.

 

[craigdbfan]

I wonder who's the guy with the cape in that featurette screencap.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

RDJ doesn't look old. And besides Stark isn't supposed to be young anyway. He looks virtually the same in Iron Man 1 and The Avengers.

truth be told, while he's aging fine, he does look a bit older in the face in avengers, than he did in ironman 1 imo

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Bobby, the Stark role has never really been a physical challenge for Downey. His face is really the only "physical" aspect of it & its aged quite a bit since the 2007 Iron Man shoot. The guy looks 50. He lived a tough life. Liquor, heroin, jail, etc. Nothing to be ashamed of. I just don't wanna see the studio milk the character to the point of suiting up Downey when he's lookin' wayyyy past his prime. I'd rather he bow out gracefully before it starts to get sad (Bruce Willis in every movie in the last 10 years). I love the character, but I don't wanna see the Iron Man equivalent to Die Hard 5 (which I'll be skipping out of respect).

 

[Iceman]

Stark is too important to the Avengers, along with Cap & Thor, to be left out of sequels. He can take a backseat by all means and even get no field action but he has to be involved somewhere behind the scenes. Also I agree RDJ looks slightly older in the Avengers trailer than he did in the 1st Iron Man but he seems more awesome than ever.

 

[The Morningstar]

Hulk has always been an avenger

Yea, for one and a half issues

If there is a sequel i'd like to see Black Widow and Hawkeye become more like SHIELD operatives rather than proper Avengers. Maybe even have their own SHIELD movie.

Bring in the Pym's and/or Black Panther.

 

[misjuevos]

The tragedy that is Bruce Banner is too interesting to reduce in favor of more Hulk. You need an even amount of both. TIH did that very well. You felt for Norton & when he turned you felt for him even more. The scene in the College Campus was more about Betty finally understanding the gravity of their situation than Hulk's clash with the Army. The scene in the cave was perfect & a great conclusion to the prior scene. She sees what he really is both under fire & away from it. She's the first person to realize that the beast is not a beast at all. She sees Banner underneath the green. TIH really sold me on the concept of Bruce finally accepting the monster within. The series & Lee's film were about Banner rejecting Hulk & deeming it a curse. TIH embraced the Hulk. I'm hoping this version of the character isn't a reboot of the state of mind Norton's Hulk achieved in the closing statement of that film. I wanna see a Banner that understands its irresponsible to rid himself of the curse.

Honestly I'm tired of feeling for banner already. It's time to start feeling for the hulk. ruffalo brought up he will be acting as the cg hulk. So let the hulk speak more and finally get the talking hulk. We should see the hulk save someone other than Betty. Show that he(hulk) is misunderstood. That he isn't a raging monster but an actual being. With his own personality.