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[BigThor]

I get that the films want to use recognizable villains like Magneto and Loki. But once you do that and make people realize that there could be more to offer, you should branch out. And hell, Thor has entire mythologies to offer.

Yep Thor has a very excellent rogues gallery, so if all he does is chase Loki around thoughout each film I will be extremely disappointed.

 

[Xeno]

Does anybody know how many movies Hiddleston has in his contract? If I remember right, it was something like 8 or 9. Which I think is rather...ambitious of Marvel.

All of the actors sign multiple-picture deals. That just means that the studio has the option to use them in x number of films, not that they will necessarily make that many appearances. For example, Ryan Reynolds and the cast of Green Lantern all have multi-picture contracts, too, but WB probably isn't going to exercise those particular options.

 

[BigThor]

While Loki is a master manipulator, I want to see him smacking some of the mortals such as Banner, Steve, and Tony around with his superior strength.

The way he treats Banner like such an insect and smacks him at 1:51 of this vid from Hulk Vs. Thor is perfect. He barely even has to move his hand.

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Hell yeah dude, even though Loki's not as strong as Thor he's still super strong and I'd like for his superior strength over mortals to be shown quite a bit in the film.

 

[lixdexia]

True, going by appearance alone though he's had the most compared to other villains I think.

nah, not really

hannibal lecter has 5, darth vader has 6, blofeld has 7, and i think fu manchu has 16

 

[Xeno]

That's not how ensemble movies work. They always have at least 1 lead. I'm betting Rogers, Thor, Stark and Banner will be the leads.

Fury, BW and Hawkeye will be supporting characters. But, supporting characters still get development.

It's quite evident even from the trailer that this movie will be more character driven. The way it introduces the characters. Cap in the gym, taking his frustrations out on a punching bag. Banner hiding out in the middle of nowhere, refusing to come in. Thor talking to SHIELD, probably about his brother. Tony flying up to his penthouse, acting all snarky about no being good enough to be an Avenger.

It's what will separate this movie from the Transformers ones.

The SFX supervisor who made positive comments about The Avengers in an interview said that the movie starts out as a character-driven piece, then segues into extreme action. The trailer conveyed that very well.

 

[Incredible Hans]

I may be a little late for debating about the need of having the Pym in future Avengers film... but I just would like to point out a few things.

I really, really like to see Hank and Janet in Avengers 2, but maybe this wil never happen...

In this case, Ultron as the villain is nevertheless something that could very well happen in Avengers 2.

They could make a simple change that a many of the fans wouldn't like, but that wouldn't be very much of a problem in my opinion: let Tony Stark build Ultron instead of Hand Pym. BTW, Tony was Ultron's creator in one of the animated films.

While such a change wouldn't be true to the comics, it has a certain logic. The movie's Tony Stark is the world's leading expert for artificial intelligence, robotics etc.

Instead of being a robot, Ultron could be an artificial intelligence computer programm at first - the next version of JARVIS. And as JARVIS II/ULTRON has complete control over Tony's manufacturing machines, it could use them to build himself a nearly undestructible robot body, using Stark's armors as a blueprint. It would make a lot of sense in my opinion.

 

[Smashlilman]

That's what I said Thor shouldn't fight Loki in THOR II, I didn't say Loki shouldn't be included in THOR II at all.

I just saw your text and assumed. I didn't read back far enough.

Sorry will you ever forgive me....

 

[Chewy]

Hiddleston, Hemsworth, Evans, and Stan signed 6 film contracts.

I think the rest of the Thor/Cap supporting casts signed 3 film contracts.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

The SFX supervisor who made positive comments about The Avengers in an interview said that the movie starts out as a character-driven piece, then segues into extreme action. The trailer conveyed that very well.

I dissagree.

As much as I loved that last trailer, it doesn't really show any character development for anyone - which is okay though, because the idea is to use the action to sell the movie.

But yeah, the trailer doesn't show anything character-driven.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Hell yeah dude, even though Loki's not as strong as Thor he's still super strong and I'd like for his superior strength over mortals to be shown quite a bit in the film.

Exactly! Another thing I'm wondering about is how will Loki's use of magic be shown? In Hulk Vs. Thor there were these glowing green symbols when Loki and the Enchantress used their spells to keep the Hulk controlled. In Thor, the most I saw Loki do was multiply, create decoys, and disguise himself. I'm hoping for more intricate scenes of magic use that weren't touched on in the first movie.

Also, flight or at least teleportation. So far Loki's been shown using the back of a pickup truck and a hovercraft as transport in the Avengers. I keep wondering why someone like Loki would need to use a truck as transport but I'll wait until the movie before I jump to any conclusions.

nah, not really

hannibal lecter has 5, darth vader has 6, blofeld has 7, and i think fu manchu has 16

CBM villains, not movie villains in general.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

I hope they start showing these in English soon, with all the different characters:
http://annieofmisrule.tumblr.com/post/18710139118/meet-iron-man-ok-so-here-is-this-video-this-is

 

[The Morningstar]

I dissagree.

As much as I loved that last trailer, it doesn't really show any character development for anyone - which is okay though, because the idea is to use the action to sell the movie.

But yeah, the trailer doesn't show anything character-driven.

Yes it does. The opening to the trailer is character driven. It doesn't just jump straight into the action.

You've got Steve in the gym clearly jaded and frustrated, taking it out on a punch bag. Banner in some shack in the middle of nowhere, obviously not please about SHIELD finding him. Thor talking to SHIELD and being apprehensive asking what they want from him. Stark in his penthouse being snarky about how SHIELD said he wasn't suitable for the Avengers.

All character moments. Not development no, but why would there be development or growth in a trailer? That is a stupid thing to ask for. How many trailers, ever, have had actual character development? All it needs is solid introductions to the characters and insights into what they are feeling. The trailer does that. Even with Black Widow and Hawkeye, who obviously feel out of their league.

 

[BigThor]

I may be a little late for debating about the need of having the Pym in future Avengers film... but I just would like to point out a few things.

I really, really like to see Hank and Janet in Avengers 2, but maybe this wil never happen...

In this case, Ultron as the villain is nevertheless something that could very well happen in Avengers 2.

They could make a simple change that a many of the fans wouldn't like, but that wouldn't be very much of a problem in my opinion: let Tony Stark build Ultron instead of Hand Pym. BTW, Tony was Ultron's creator in one of the animated films.

While such a change wouldn't be true to the comics, it has a certain logic. The movie's Tony Stark is the world's leading expert for artificial intelligence, robotics etc.

Instead of being a robot, Ultron could be an artificial intelligence computer programm at first - the next version of JARVIS. And as JARVIS II/ULTRON has complete control over Tony's manufacturing machines, it could use them to build himself a nearly undestructible robot body, using Stark's armors as a blueprint. It would make a lot of sense in my opinion.

I wouldn't rule out Hank and Jane's inclusing in Avengers 2 just yet and I wouldn't mind Tony being one of the creators of Ultron but not the sole creator.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I may be a little late for debating about the need of having the Pym in future Avengers film... but I just would like to point out a few things.

I really, really like to see Hank and Janet in Avengers 2, but maybe this wil never happen...

In this case, Ultron as the villain is nevertheless something that could very well happen in Avengers 2.

They could make a simple change that a many of the fans wouldn't like, but that wouldn't be very much of a problem in my opinion: let Tony Stark build Ultron instead of Hand Pym. BTW, Tony was Ultron's creator in one of the animated films.

While such a change wouldn't be true to the comics, it has a certain logic. The movie's Tony Stark is the world's leading expert for artificial intelligence, robotics etc.

Instead of being a robot, Ultron could be an artificial intelligence computer programm at first - the next version of JARVIS. And as JARVIS II/ULTRON has complete control over Tony's manufacturing machines, it could use them to build himself a nearly undestructible robot body, using Stark's armors as a blueprint. It would make a lot of sense in my opinion.

Very good points! Even though I like him, I won't be too broken up if Pym isn't in the sequel. If he's mentioned I'll be fine with that since Ultron needs to be at least hinted at by the time of the sequel.

 

[lixdexia]

CBM villains, not movie villains in general.

still nope, joker has 6, lex luthor has 8

 

[Chewy]

I dissagree.

As much as I loved that last trailer, it doesn't really show any character development for anyone - which is okay though, because the idea is to use the action to sell the movie.

But yeah, the trailer doesn't show anything character-driven.

They didn't show the scene directly leading into it but right after RDJ says his "doesn't play well with others" line it segues into the Big 3 fight.

I think the trailer does a nice job of laying out how the characters fit into the action, and hints at motivations behind the fighting, without getting too specific/spoilery

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Yes it does. The opening to the trailer is character driven. It doesn't just jump straight into the action.

You've got Steve in the gym clearly jaded and frustrated, taking it out on a punch bag. Banner in some shack in the middle of nowhere, obviously not please about SHIELD finding him. Thor talking to SHIELD probably after just arriving on Earth. Stark in his penthouse being snarky about how SHIELD said he wasn't suitable for the Avengers.

All character moments.

I see moments where the characters are present but nothing remotely relating to their individual conflicts.

Ironically, the first trailer for X-Men Origins, which ended up being a terrible movie, had some truly great character-driven beats to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6p52S381nE

Again, I don't mind this last trailer for The Avengers being more about action & spectacle rather than story and character.

They gotta sell this thing.

 

[BigThor]

They didn't show the scene directly leading into it but right after RDJ says his "doesn't play well with others" line it segues into the Big 3 fight.

Yeah I noticed that as well, I thought it was pretty cool.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

still nope, joker has 6, lex luthor has 8

In one large franchise? First Class is loosely connected to the last X-trilogy but still connected, so Magneto's appearances continue to add up. For Lex and Joker I don't count animated appearances or appearances in separate film continuities.

 

[Smashlilman]

Double post

 

[Smashlilman]

While Loki is a master manipulator, I want to see him smacking some of the mortals such as Banner, Steve, and Tony around with his superior strength.

The way he treats Banner like such an insect and smacks him at 1:51 of this vid from Hulk Vs. Thor is perfect. He barely even has to move his hand.

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lol every time i watch that smack i die laughing.

Exactly! Another thing I'm wondering about is how will Loki's use of magic be shown? In Hulk Vs. Thor there were these glowing green symbols when Loki and the Enchantress used their spells to keep the Hulk controlled. In Thor, the most I saw Loki do was multiply, create decoys, and disguise himself. I'm hoping for more intricate scenes of magic use that weren't touched on in the first movie.

Also, flight or at least teleportation. So far Loki's been shown using the back of a pickup truck and a hovercraft as transport in the Avengers. I keep wondering why someone like Loki would need to use a truck as transport but I'll wait until the movie before I jump to any conclusions.


CBM villains, not movie villains in general.

I wonder if they will show the manifestation of magic by showing a visible colored aura.

 

[Herolee10]

I see moments where the characters are present but nothing remotely relating to their individual conflicts.

Ironically, the first trailer for X-Men Origins, which ended up being a terrible movie, had some truly great character-driven beats to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6p52S381nE

Again, I don't mind this last trailer for The Avengers being more about action & spectacle rather than story and character.

They gotta sell this thing.

1. Captain America is shown frustrated over his situation in the gym.

2. Banner wants to be left alone.

3. Tony retorting back to whoever he's talking to about them saying that he's not good enough to be an Avenger

4. Black Widow talking to Hawkeye about them not being ready for something like this.

 

[lixdexia]

In one large franchise? First Class is loosely connected to the last X-trilogy but still connected, so Magneto's appearances continue to add up. For Lex and Joker I don't count animated appearances or appearances in separate film continuities.

sure, magneto co-holds the record for most appearances of a villain in a single franchise featuring the x-men between the years of 1999 and 2012 with mystique.


really, how ****ing specific do you have to get with this thing? he isn't close to a record.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

sure, magneto co-holds the record for most appearances of a villain in a single franchise featuring the x-men between the years of 1999 and 2012 with mystique.


really, how ****ing specific do you have to get with this thing? he isn't close to a record.

You took my initial words out of context, however I apologize for not being specific enough. When I said he holds that spot, you assumed I meant villains in general. I didn't. You then assumed I meant EVERY type of CBM when we've obviously been on the subject of live-action CBMs this entire time. How has he not set a record? No one's reached that point yet, besides Mystique who basically comes in a 2 for 1 package deal with him.

It seems like you just want to argue for the sake of arguing.

 

[Incredible Hans]

When I re-watched that bit it looked like the leviathan/dragon had flaming red eyes and maybe flame coming from its mouth, too.


I found your theory about the leaders of the army being Makluans very interesting. Fin Fang Foom's race are very intelligent, crafty dragons; they'd not be interested in being foot soldiers, as it were. They always had plans of their own. Poorly-executed plans, but plans nonetheless.

In addition, many marvel sources state that the Makluans are a democratic and benevolent race. Fin Fang Foom is kind of a traitor.

But then again, Makluans in a movie could be very different. Or they are really benevolent but are tricked and deceived by Loki who makes them believe that earth humans are very dangerous for the universe. Who knows.