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[wobbly]

According to TIH Banner knew nothing about the SS program. That was Ross' ultimate goal, and Banners work was to be used (unknown to him) as a part of it.

 

[BigThor]

Really? I was never worried about adapting THOR. I always thought CAPTAIN AMERICA would be the most difficult.

Nah Thor's whole universe as well as Thor himself are much more "out there" concepts than Captain America.

The only things I think were hard about adapting Cap is his outfit and his wholesome personalit without them seeming cheesy (which they did).

 

[jab1118]

According to TIH Banner knew nothing about the SS program. That was Ross' ultimate goal, and Banners work was to be used (unknown to him) as a part of it.

It never said he knew nothing about the SS program, just that he wasnt aware what he was working on was going to be used as a weapon. So he could still have known about Steve.

 

[Xeno]

According to TIH Banner knew nothing about the SS program. That was Ross' ultimate goal, and Banners work was to be used (unknown to him) as a part of it.

Fury and SHIELD would undoubtedly have filled Banner in on what Ross was doing before he met Steve. SHIELD has no love for Ross and his program, from what we saw in The Consultant.


If Ross turns up again, I would like to see him punished for all of the destruction he caused with his Super Soldier obsession. In the military, it only takes one black mark on an officer's record to end a career. Ross has dozens, including mass civilian casualties and millions of dollars in destruction. SHIELD has the goods on him.

 

[Xeno]

It never said he knew nothing about the SS program, just that he wasnt aware what he was working on was going to be used as a weapon. So he could still have known about Steve.

In TIH, Ross told Blonsky that Banner had absolutely no idea what he was really working on. Ross had told Banner that he was trying to find a way to make human beings immune to gamma radiation. He never let the scientist know that they had him working on recreating the Super Soldier Formula because Banner wasn't trusted.

 

[TacomaTruck90]

Fury and SHIELD would undoubtedly have filled Banner in on what Ross was doing before he met Steve. SHIELD has no love for Ross and his program, from what we saw in The Consultant.


If Ross turns up again, I would like to see him punished for all of the destruction he caused with his Super Soldier obsession. In the military, it only takes one black mark on an officer's record to end a career. Ross has dozens, including mass civilian casualties and millions of dollars in destruction. SHIELD has the goods on him.

If all the movies are connected..why wouldnt everyone one know who Captain America was ( with the exception of Thor/Loki) ..he was an icon of WWII in the Marvel world? ( right?)

 

[Son of Coul]

Reading back on that thread from when Whedon was first announced on the shortlist for Avengers directors. 'Tis funny. Will be even funnier if Avengers turns out to be as awesome as it looks.

 

[captainrogers]

It never said he knew nothing about the SS program, just that he wasnt aware what he was working on was going to be used as a weapon. So he could still have known about Steve.

That's what I was about to say. Thanks!
Also, if anything, I'm trying to find reason/ties Steve could have to the 'non-military' members of the group wherein they would bond enough to take orders from Steve. (assuming Cap does end up defacto leader in the film)
With Thor, he has the whole 'everything around me is foreign/strange' thing in common.
Also his fearlessness/selflessness in battle.
With Tony, theres the Howard Stark connection, and eventually Steve will come to realize there is a brave and heroic man in the armor much in the vein of Howard that Tony hides from himself, just as much as he does from others.
With Bruce, well I've already stated the possible connections. Also, he may have a more sympathetic slant towards the "beast" because of that. I'm REALLY hoping that "Hulk...SMASH!" line is true.

 

[jab1118]

Just because he didnt know he was working on something similar doesnt mean he wasnt aware that the program existed. The conversation between Ross and Blonsky implies that at the very least the existence of the program is kind of common knowledge. "You are aware that back in WW2 the military experimented....." And "Yeah Super Soldier" He talks to him like he should already kind of know about it.

 

[wobbly]

If all the movies are connected..why wouldnt everyone one know who Captain America was ( with the exception of Thor/Loki) ..he was an icon of WWII in the Marvel world? ( right?)

In WWII. In the modern day we don't know yet if the public are even aware he is back (they obviously will by the end of the film).

 

[sabetoonth]

Just because he didnt know he was working on something similar doesnt mean he wasnt aware that the program existed. The conversation between Ross and Blonsky implies that at the very least the existence of the program is kind of common knowledge. "You are aware that back in WW2 the military experimented....." And "Yeah Super Soldier" He talks to him like he should already kind of know about it.

Blonsky is also military, I would note

 

[wobbly]

Just because he didnt know he was working on something similar doesnt mean he wasnt aware that the program existed. The conversation between Ross and Blonsky implies that at the very least the existence of the program is kind of common knowledge. "You are aware that back in WW2 the military experimented....." And "Yeah Super Soldier" He talks to him like he should already kind of know about it.

That was not what he said: Ross started talking about the program, not asking about it, and Blonsky interrupted him. The way the conversation was presented did not imply the program was 'common' knowledge at all.

 

[sabetoonth]

That was not what he said: Ross started talking about the program, not asking about it, and Blonsky interrupted him. The way the conversation was presented did not imply the program was 'common' knowledge at all.

"In WW2 there was a biological troop enhancement program--" "Yea, Super Soldier." "Yes...an oversimplification but yes."

Something like that

 

[Rock Sexton]

"In WW2 there was a biological troop enhancement program--" "Yea, Super Soldier." "Yes...an oversimplification but yes."

Something like that

He doesn't say "Yea" .... he just says "Super Soldier" because he's putting two and two together from the description Ross gave him with "Biological troop enhancement" ..... I mean c'mon what else could that mean? Key word biological. Not only that, but Blonsky was on loaner from the Britistch Royal Marines. He wasn't around the SSR to have had any kind of previous knowledge.

 

[Rock Sexton]

It never said he knew nothing about the SS program, just that he wasnt aware what he was working on was going to be used as a weapon. So he could still have known about Steve.

What reason would he have for knowing about the SS program? He's just a scientist. Ross even mentioned that he's "not one of us" to Blonsky as in he's not a military man. Banner wouldn't have access to that kind of thing.

 

[flickchick85]

Reading back on that thread from when Whedon was first announced on the shortlist for Avengers directors. 'Tis funny. Will be even funnier if Avengers turns out to be as awesome as it looks.

OMG thanks for posting that. I can't believe that was two years ago! Also, I feel like my posts were better then than they are now.

Also, in that thread I noticed Figs said he was gonna watch Buffy. He just showed up in the Buffy threads over the last few weeks talking about how he just got into it. Took ya long enough, Figs! t:

 

[jab1118]

He doesn't say "Yea" .... he just says "Super Soldier" because he's putting two and two together from the description Ross gave him with "Biological troop enhancement" ..... I mean c'mon what else could that mean? Key word biological. Not only that, but Blonsky was on loaner from the Britistch Royal Marines. He wasn't around the SSR to have had any kind of previous knowledge.

What reason would he have for knowing about the SS program? He's just a scientist. Ross even mentioned that he's "not one of us" to Blonsky as in he's not a military man. Banner wouldn't have access to that kind of thing.

"You are aware that that we have an infrantry weapons developement program, well in in WW2 they initiated a sub-program for biotech force enhancement" And Blonsky responds "Yeah Super Soldier" im watching it right now he definently says yeah. To me it comes off that he at least has some general knowledge of it.

 

[jab1118]

And the "Hes not one of us "lines is given as a reason for why he ran and didnt let the military use him.

Also Captain America was touring the country holding a motorcycle over his head. He was in newspapers after running through the streets of NY. There would be some general knowledge of the guy

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

OMG thanks for posting that. I can't believe that was two years ago! Also, I feel like my posts were better then than they are now.

Also, in that thread I noticed Figs said he was gonna watch Buffy. He just showed up in the Buffy threads over the last few weeks talking about how he just got into it. Took ya long enough, Figs! t:

Iron_Stark was really against Whedon directing. I wonder how he feels now? And Ace_of_Knaves.

 

[Rock Sexton]

"You are aware that that we have an infrantry weapons developement program, well in in WW2 they initiated a sub-program for biotech force enhancement" And Blonsky responds "Yeah Super Soldier" im watching it right now he definently says yeah. To me it comes off that he at least has some general knowledge of it.

It's "A super soldier" .... I've watched the movie over 200 times, including about 2 hours ago. They even have it quoted that way on IMDB.....

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800080/quotes

Again, it doesn't take a genius to understand when someone tells you that they're working on "bio-force" research it's referencing making the body better .... which is why Ross stated "they're trying to arm you better. We're trying to make you better." Ross even re-buffed Blonsky's comment as an oversimplification because Blonsky was merely making an educated guess based on how Ross described the program.

 

[Rock Sexton]

And the "Hes not one of us "lines is given as a reason for why he ran and didnt let the military use him.

Also Captain America was touring the country holding a motorcycle over his head. He was in newspapers after running through the streets of NY. There would be some general knowledge of the guy

"He's not one of us" is as cut and dry as it gets .... Ross was very clear that Banner was just a scientist. Banner is not going to have privs to information about Steve Rogers and the experiment run on him.

You're also ssuming Banner's character was alive back then.

 

[jab1118]

It's "A super soldier" .... I've watched the movie over 200 times, including about 2 hours ago. They even have it quoted that way on IMDB.....

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800080/quotes

Again, it doesn't take a genius to understand when someone tells you that they're working on "bio-force" research it's referencing making the body better .... which is why Ross stated "they're trying to arm you better. We're trying to make you better." Ross even re-buffed Blonsky's comment as an oversimplification because Blonsky was merely making an educated guess based on how Ross described the program.

Still sounds like yeah to me but i guess you could be right. I DVRed off FX earlier and am watching the line over and over again. Regardless I feel like the scene still plays as if he has an Idea of what he was talking about

 

[jab1118]

"He's not one of us" is as cut and dry as it gets .... Ross was very clear that Banner was just a scientist. Banner is not going to have privs to information about Steve Rogers and the experiment run on him.

You're also ssuming Banner's character was alive back then.

My point is I feel like if you want everyone has access to the knowledge of who Steve Rogers is. Maybe not specifics but some general info. Also yeah Banner is a scientist working in the same general field. I dont think its a stretch to think that he would of researched it

 

[DyeLorean]

I've watched Iron Man last night and I caught a couple of details I didn't pay enough attention before this whole MCU. Tony mentions his father helping in the WWII earlier in the movie. There's also an article about Howard during the reel in the awards ceremony.
I also noticed how dated the "I don't wanna see this on your myspace page" sounds now.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Reading back on that thread from when Whedon was first announced on the shortlist for Avengers directors. 'Tis funny. Will be even funnier if Avengers turns out to be as awesome as it looks.

Thanks for posting this, reading Ace_of_Knaves endless tirade against Whedon is sort of amusing, especially since EVERY SINGLE ONE of his points/arguments have pretty much been proven wrong at this point.