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[Shadowlord X]

Jeez - my bad for being a numpty!!!

Here is the link in full!!!

http://www.tiki-toki.com/timeline/entry/5395/A-Marvel-Cinematic-Universe-Timeline/

Welcome to SHH Orphix!

GREAT JOB on that timeline. Love the style.

The files with the 'SHIELD' heading; are those from the online comics?

 

[Vartha]

Jeez - my bad for being a numpty!!!

Here is the link in full!!!

http://www.tiki-toki.com/timeline/entry/5395/A-Marvel-Cinematic-Universe-Timeline/

Very nice! Welcome aboard!

 

[Vartha]

Nice new pics!

 

[Orphix]

Ah yes - I saw that message about the hulk's being 'created' back in 2003. If you watch TIH as an indivdual, standalone film there is a scene that definitely suggests that (tucked away in the montage) as well as Gen. Ross' comment about chasing him for 5 years...

...BUT...

...as soon as you add it to the MCU things become slightly more problematic.

IM2 takes place in 2010 (there are 3 scenes that verify that which I shan't bore ya with...yet!!) so I tend to go with that year. And if that is the case then the Culver University incident has to take place in 2010 (which is when Ross makes is chasing for nearly 5 years statement). Also if you check out the newspaper cutting from the first appearance of the hulk when the laboratory in Culver gets wrecked it tells you month is January. So January 2006 is the most likely date.

You tend to find the main issue with creating a MCU timeline is what to use as canon but even the theatrical released films (especially IM1 and TIH) tend to contradict later stuff. As a result it is not so much about 'inaccuracies' but 'interpretation'. So you go with what you feel Marvel Studios is trying to make work.

As for the online comics I try to use as many of the official MCU ones as possible - Marvel is primarily a comic book publisher afterall. Though they are all secondary sources with the films as primary.

Video games and novelisations I have pretty muched dismissed now as inspired by the universe rather than being official canon. They are just too confusing and contradictory to make work most of the time.

 

[Danalys]

it's weird that i've read from fiege that there's a reason cap is the first avenger implying he was woken up before ironman's end, but from what orphix's site says fury's big week implies it happens a year later at least. perhaps the initiative and actual signing up have different orders.

 

[mara]

Nice to finally see some set pics with the Invisible Woman.

LOL Good one!

 

[Poni_Boy]

Ah yes - I saw that message about the hulk's being 'created' back in 2003. If you watch TIH as an indivdual, standalone film there is a scene that definitely suggests that (tucked away in the montage) as well as Gen. Ross' comment about chasing him for 5 years...

...BUT...

...as soon as you add it to the MCU things become slightly more problematic.

IM2 takes place in 2010 (there are 3 scenes that verify that which I shan't bore ya with...yet!!) so I tend to go with that year. And if that is the case then the Culver University incident has to take place in 2010 (which is when Ross makes is chasing for nearly 5 years statement). Also if you check out the newspaper cutting from the first appearance of the hulk when the laboratory in Culver gets wrecked it tells you month is January. So January 2006 is the most likely date.

You tend to find the main issue with creating a MCU timeline is what to use as canon but even the theatrical released films (especially IM1 and TIH) tend to contradict later stuff. As a result it is not so much about 'inaccuracies' but 'interpretation'. So you go with what you feel Marvel Studios is trying to make work.

As for the online comics I try to use as many of the official MCU ones as possible - Marvel is primarily a comic book publisher afterall. Though they are all secondary sources with the films as primary.

Video games and novelisations I have pretty muched dismissed now as inspired by the universe rather than being official canon. They are just too confusing and contradictory to make work most of the time.

I don't know about all that. The problem with combining these films into one, consecutive cut is that too many of the scenes are supposed to be taking place simultaneously in different parts of the world.

That being said, The Incredible Hulk takes place in 2008; five years after the gamma incident. Kevin Feige confirmed this a handful of times because fanboys can't remember and ask the same questions repeatedly.

 

[Poni_Boy]

it's weird that i've read from fiege that there's a reason cap is the first avenger implying he was woken up before ironman's end, but from what orphix's site says fury's big week implies it happens a year later at least. perhaps the initiative and actual signing up have different orders.

Here's the thing about the expanded comic universe. Yes, they are set in the MCU. Yes the follow the same chain of events and timeline. BUT there are discrepancies and there will be in the future. The films trump the comics in terms of continuity. If there is a discrepancy between the two, you look at the film first because that is the core of the M Cinematic U. You can write off slight errors in the comics because only a small amount of people actually read them compared to the films. MS has tried really hard not to have continuity errors in their films, but they can't control full on what happens in the comics tie-ins.

 

[samsnee]

I really hope this scene doesn't come off as cheesy and cliche. The whole "walk towards the camera in slow motion" is overdone.

 

[Danalys]

how else are we to know they have The Right Stuff.

 

[Orphix]

I don't know about all that. The problem with combining these films into one, consecutive cut is that too many of the scenes are supposed to be taking place simultaneously in different parts of the world.

That being said, The Incredible Hulk takes place in 2008; five years after the gamma incident. Kevin Feige confirmed this a handful of times because fanboys can't remember and ask the same questions repeatedly.

Totally agree with you with a consecutive cut. Would be an interesting exercise and know plenty who are doing it. But it's never gonna be seemless narrative. In fact it would probably be a bit of a wonky watch.

As for TIH - I don't know when Feige made those comments but I suspect sometime ago. Would love to see the source because I have never heard him say anything on the dates. I think they may have retroactively changed the year.

All I do know is that during IM2 the date is displayed in the film including the year - 2010. It also lines up perfectly with Tony Stark's Birthday and the Historic GP of Monaco if you use the year 2010. We then see the Culver University incident (which both Favereau and Feige have stated happen during the time of IM2) taking place live during Tony Stark's debrief with Fury which strongly suggest that it takes place in 2010.

If you use the 2008 date (which is admittedly another year the Historic GP of Monaco takes place) it takes place after Tony's Birthdate.

 

[samsnee]

I'm guessing we're going to get an abbreviated cut of all the movies before the opening credits of the Avengers anyway. It would be cool if they were done like the opening of Spider-man 2, but that would be a rip-off.

 

[antsman41]

I want someone to cut all of the films into one large film depicting this timeline...

Is it possible?

 

[Orphix]

I'm guessing we're going to get an abbreviated cut of all the movies before the opening credits of the Avengers anyway. It would be cool if they were done like the opening of Spider-man 2, but that would be a rip-off.

I thought it would be a little more in depth - perhaps like the prologue to Lord of the Rings. Just enough to let an audience know whats happening without them having to do loads of homework.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I want someone to cut all of the films into one large film depicting this timeline...

Is it possible?

It is possible and it has already been done. By a couple of persons including myself, while mine is still a WIP because I want to add TA in the finished product, the re-cuts of others are already finished. or so I heard. one of those cuts might find it's way online next week.

 

[Pond]

I really hope this scene doesn't come off as cheesy and cliche. The whole "walk towards the camera in slow motion" is overdone.

Not really; done well, put in the right moment, and in the right kind of movie, its a powerfull moment with many posibilities; this is Joss Whedon, though; he tends to use a cliche and then end it with a joke that makes fun of it precisely because it is one; i wouldnt be surprised if that scene ends with somebody making fun of them.

Then again, most of the very few times he has actually used a potential cliche, it has made perfect sense in context.

 

[antsman41]

It is possible and it has already been done. By a couple of persons including myself, while mine is still a WIP because I want to add TA in the finished product, the re-cuts of others are already finished. or so I heard. one of those cuts might find it's way online next week.

Awesome, please keep us updated...

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Awesome, please keep us updated...

The cut that MIGHT be online next week (if rumours are true) is not mine, so I can't say anything about it. I'm curious myself how he has done certain transitions that are quiet a pain in the back.

 

[The Morningstar]

That would be awesome. But ugh, watching a tv screen for like, 8 hours will cause me severe migraines hahaha

 

[TheVileOne]

That timeline above doesn't work. For example, the filmmakers said the period in which Captain America was in the war was more like 2-3 years.

 

[kedrell]

Well they may have been approximating. He was fully in action from Nov. 1943 - June of 1945 according to that timeline. Basically it covers parts of 1943, 1944 and 1945.

 

[Hawkingbird]

I really hope this scene doesn't come off as cheesy and cliche. The whole "walk towards the camera in slow motion" is overdone.

I shall cringe!

 

[Poni_Boy]

Totally agree with you with a consecutive cut. Would be an interesting exercise and know plenty who are doing it. But it's never gonna be seemless narrative. In fact it would probably be a bit of a wonky watch.

As for TIH - I don't know when Feige made those comments but I suspect sometime ago. Would love to see the source because I have never heard him say anything on the dates. I think they may have retroactively changed the year.

All I do know is that during IM2 the date is displayed in the film including the year - 2010. It also lines up perfectly with Tony Stark's Birthday and the Historic GP of Monaco if you use the year 2010. We then see the Culver University incident (which both Favereau and Feige have stated happen during the time of IM2) taking place live during Tony Stark's debrief with Fury which strongly suggest that it takes place in 2010.

If you use the 2008 date (which is admittedly another year the Historic GP of Monaco takes place) it takes place after Tony's Birthdate.

I'll have to look it up, I'll get back to you. It was during promotion for TIH and IM1 mostly from what I remember.

Last I heard all these films take place in the year they are released with the exception of Captain America and the after credits scenes. Why? Because it's easier to say that and move on. Nobody harps on the exact dates because they aren't important to the story. So if you follow that train of thought, none of them will match up precisely. I don't think the filmmakers put that much effort into a completely linear story.

Why did they use a 2010 newspaper in Iron Man 2? Because it was readily available in 2010. Why did they use a 2008 newspaper in The Incredible Hulk? Because it was readily available. I'm pretty sure 99% of people who watch these movies aren't trying to match things up by day and date, because there are too many discrepancies.

All that matters is the basic "before, after, during" events, not actual dates. So utilizing the comic book tie-ins, random props and comparisons to real world events are unnecessary effort because they won't match up.

Even in Captain America they say we fought for a few years. Some people involved with production gave precise dates and some didn't, but it doesn't affect the story whatsoever because we aren't seeing real world events as a comparison.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Well they may have been approximating. He was fully in action from Nov. 1943 - June of 1945 according to that timeline. Basically it covers parts of 1943, 1944 and 1945.

It seems like that's the key. None of these filmmakers sat down together with a calendar and marked precise dates for the MCU. It's all approximation for basic continuity.

 

[sabetoonth]

Are we in consensus though about whats been said about Iron Man 2 being 6 months after the first?