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[mara]

I don't mean to interrupt, we had discussed its location before and I think I now know where the PEGASUS is located in TA.

Spoiler

Mojave Desert.

I thought it was interesting so in case anyone else wants to know. There you go.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Because the last time they took a risk was for IM/TIH. Now they need to play it safe to secure the investment.

Precisely. I mean, I know a few fans will state that placing an unknown actor in the lead to an unknown Superhero/CBM is risk enough, but when it comes down to it, every film has an access risk.

 

[The Morningstar]

To be fair, when one major financial failure can basically destroy what you're trying to achieve, you gotta be a bit savvy and less risky. What Marvel is trying to do, as a whole, is one giant experiment. It's like science, when you're doing an experiment you have to take precautions. But the experiment itself is a pretty big risk.

And it's not as thought artistic integrity was thrown out of the window for any of these films. They're not hacky "products" like Green Lantern.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Bay is bigger. Snyder is more artistic without skimping on the huge set pieces. Love his style!

I agree to this sentiment. Have you seen Sucker Punch? Wow. His artistic talent surely flows freely there.

 

[MrGreen]

Yep, which is why the only two versions of the Hulk I like are the the Bixby series and TIH. I like the Banner/Hulk dynamic much better than Hulk smashing for the hell of it.



They were.



This, American History X and The Illusionist should be enough proof that studios need to give him a project he cares about and then let him be.



That's why he didn't want to come back. He's a great filmmaker and Disney knows that (hence, Magic Kingdom)

In TIH the emotional/Banner scenes felt directed by Norton and the action was directed by Leterrier (spelling?).

 

[Scarlettess]

Actually, first time I watched TIH I hated it, then watched it again and thought it was ok, then watched it the other day, and honestly it was much better than I remember it being. Your right Poni-Boy the movie has great narrative, but Norton didnt really sell me on Banner. I agree TIH imo looks better than Avengers hulk...but that might be as I like the grittier more realistic aproaches more than outright fantasy (though I enjoy that too).

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

The only two versions of the Hulk I like are the the Bixby series and TIH. I like the Banner/Hulk dynamic much better than Hulk smashing for the hell of it.

American History X and The Illusionist should be enough proof that studios need to give Norton a project he cares about and then let him be.

That's why Favreau didn't want to come back. He's a great filmmaker and Disney knows that (hence, Magic Kingdom)

 

[Pond]

The first hour or so of TFA is right up there amongst the best for me. The origin part and characterisation of the hero is really, really well done. Chris Evans gives a fantastic performance, the best of all the Marvel leads. He really knows how to convey emotions and what he is thinking without dialogue, just with his eyes and body language. And the bittersweet ending is brilliant.

But the last act kinda falls apart and seems rushed. Also, the blatant green screen backgrounds are really distracting, especially at the Stark Expo.

I sort of agree; i still like the movie overall, but the last arc was rushed and the movie needed a bit more of action.

I believe Whedon did a bit of doctoring on the script, fleshing out the caps origin caracterization.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

To be fair, when one major financial failure can basically destroy what you're trying to achieve, you gotta be a bit savvy and less risky. What Marvel is trying to do, as a whole, is one giant experiment. It's like science, when you're doing an experiment you have to take precautions. But the experiment itself is a pretty big risk.

And it's not as thought artistic integrity was thrown out of the window for any of these films. They're not hacky "products" like Green Lantern.

I'd say IM2 & Cap lacked a great deal of artistic integrity & felt very uninspired to me.

If you listen to Johnston's commentary for Cap, its like listening to a seminar on how cool visual effects & CGI are. In other words = FAIL.

If you listen to Favreau's commentary on IM2, you're listening to a guy who wanted to make a certain type of movie but wasn't able to, so he's describing to you what he was forced to make & its less than enthusiastic to say the least.

For me, Thor's the best out of the last 3 & that doesn't say much. Its still too safe, but a fun ride nonetheless.

 

[MrGreen]

Actually, first time I watched TIH I hated it, then watched it again and thought it was ok, then watched it the other day, and honestly it was much better than I remember it being. Your right Poni-Boy the movie has great narrative, but Norton didnt really sell me on Banner. I agree TIH imo looks better than Avengers hulk...but that might be as I like the grittier more realistic aproaches more than outright fantasy (though I enjoy that too).

Actually I felt the oposite way. I really enjoyed Norton's Banner. He felt desperated, sad, repressed and frustrated. Just like I love my Banner.
The whole first act in Brazil was really intense and the build-up to the first transformation was great. But after he arrived in USA the film felt rushed or poorly edited.

 

[captainrogers]

IM I rank as the best of the MCU films.
Cap is easily my favorite because of Evans performance and the rewatchability factor is INCREDIBLY high for me.
I love the USO montage (which, going in, I thought I was gonna cringe at)
I do lament the briefness/rushed feeling of the movie after the first half. I understand it. But I wanted more.
Which is better (glass half full) than me coming out of the cinema angry and NOT wanting any more (GL ), if that makes any sense.

 

[Poni_Boy]

The Rocketeer is my favorite CBM of all time. That movie had heart in all the right places, from all the key characters. I held out the same hope for Cap, but aside from Evans and Atwells performances it lacked A LOT of heart. They, themselves, were great but acted against a lifeless backdrop. And Weaving's acting was atrocious. IMO he took a sinister villain and turned him into a goof

 

[The Morningstar]

I'd say IM2 & Cap lacked a great deal of artistic integrity & felt very uninspired to me.

If you listen to Johnston's commentary for Cap, its like listening to a seminar on how cool visual effects & CGI are. In other words = FAIL.

If you listen to Favreau's commentary on IM2, you're listening to a guy who wanted to make a certain type of movie but wasn't able to, so he's describing to you what he was forced to make & its less than enthusiastic to say the least.

For me, Thor's the best out of the last 3 & that doesn't say much. Its still too safe, but a fun ride nonetheless.

I disagree. Flawed as they are, they were technically well made films with great elements. TFA in particular has a lot heart and great performances.

Like I said, they are not "products" like Green Lantern or other films of that ilk.

 

[The Infernal]

heh Imagine not knowing it went up and you had an apartment that faced it. lol

Aaaagh. A giant Robert Downey Jnr is destroying the city.... quick, someone find a Jack Daniels the size of a bungalow.

Yes. This. Don't forget the cop out plane crash ending. That even made me smh on first viewing.

How was that a cop out? We already knew Cap was going to end up frozen in the Arctic by the end.

Fixed. t:

lol, well done.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

The Rocketeer is my favorite CBM of all time. That movie had heart in all the right places, from all the key characters. I held out the same hope for Cap, but aside from Evans and Atwells performances it lacked A LOT of heart. They, themselves, were great but acted against a lifeless backdrop. And Weaving's acting was atrocious. IMO he took a sinister villain and turned him into a goof

Finally, someone besides myself that has the guts to say this on this thread.

"Lifeless backdrop" is exactly what came to mind during my first & second viewings of the film, same goes for "atrocious" when Weaving's rubber face would come on-screen.

 

[The Morningstar]

The Rocketeer is my favorite CBM of all time. That movie had heart in all the right places, from all the key characters. I held out the same hope for Cap, but aside from Evans and Atwells performances it lacked A LOT of heart. They, themselves, were great but acted against a lifeless backdrop. And Weaving's acting was atrocious. IMO he took a sinister villain and turned him into a goof

The best superhero film imo is Incredibles. For me it has everything. Great characters with believable development who all interact really well. A great villain with a unique plot. Amazing visuals and story structure/pacing. Plus it is just so layered. It has everything from superhero iconography/symbolism (Edna's Greek God mural), to clever use of metaphors (impotency) and just real relatable, true to life themes that apply to everyone. It also is actually both a really smart deconstruction AND reconstruction of the superhero genre. With the whole "NO CAPES!" thing kinda tearing some of the mythology down. But it also builds it back up and is a perfect demonstration of why people love superheroes.

Yea, it has everything.

 

[MrGreen]

Finally, someone besides myself that has the guts to say this on this thread.

"Lifeless backdrop" is exactly what came to mind during my first & second viewings of the film, same goes for "atrocious" when Weaving's rubber face would come on-screen.

I compare Red Skull to Mark Strong's Sinestro. Great actors and great make-up. Poorly written characters

 

[Iceman]

I agree to this sentiment. Have you seen Sucker Punch? Wow. His artistic talent surely flows freely there.

No, haven't seen it.

IMO he took a sinister villain and turned him into a goof

I thought Red Skull would be better.

 

[Poni_Boy]

How was that a cop out? We already knew Cap was going to end up frozen in the Arctic by the end.

It was a cop out because it was completely unbelievable. He didn't have to "sacrifice" himself. The plane wasn't going to do any damage if HE COULD STEER IT WHERE EVER HE WANTED. This was supposed to be the brilliant tactician Captain America? Really, really poor writing. As much as I LOVE the heartfelt exchange between Peggy and Steve, I would have gladly exchanged that with a crash scene that didn't make him look like a doofus.

Doing it like the comics, where he either A) fell off the plane and into the ice or B) had to by brute force crash the plane because it's operating system was damaged, make it believable.

 

[Kirmit]

I compare Red Skull to Mark Strong's Sinestro. Great actors and great make-up. Poorly written characters

Sounds about right, though I wouldn't say Sinestro was poorly written, rather just wasn't there enough .

 

[DoomsdayApex]

No, haven't seen it.

You should.

I compare Red Skull to Mark Strong's Sinestro. Great actors and great make-up. Poorly written characters

Mark Strong's Sinestro was THE only great thing about Green Lantern.

 

[Poni_Boy]

The best superhero film imo is Incredibles. For me it has everything. Great characters with believable development who all interact really well. A great villain with a unique plot. Amazing visuals and story structure/pacing. Plus it is just so layered. It has everything from superhero iconography/symbolism (Edna's Greek God mural), to clever use of metaphors (impotency) and just real relatable, true to life themes that apply to everyone. It also is actually both a really smart deconstruction AND reconstruction of the superhero genre. With the whole "NO CAPES!" thing kinda tearing some of the mythology down. But it also builds it back up and is a perfect demonstration of why people love superheroes.

Yea, it has everything.

Agreed. It's the best superhero movie I've seen. But, since it's not a CBM, I don't put it in the same list as Rocketeer and S:TM.

 

[Pond]

The Rocketeer is my favorite CBM of all time.

Have you read the Dave Stevens comic it was based on? I heartly recommend it. Its also a movie i have great love for.

 

[Poni_Boy]

RE: Sucker Punch. If you haven't seen it but insist on watching it, do so with the volume on mute, your favorite rock LP playing and pretend it's a very long music video. If you try to follow the "story" your brain will try to punch your eyes out.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Have you read the Dave Stevens comic it was based on? I heartly recommend it. Its also a movie i have great love for.

Yep. I own everything Rocketeer related I can get my hands on Did you hear Mark Waid is the new writer for the book?

I just (FINALLY) got an authentic bomber jacket like Cliff wears.