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[terry78]

I could see Stark being repulsed and fascinated by him at the same time.

 

[Endeavor]

I could see Stark being repulsed and fascinated by him at the same time.

This is true

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

MODOK is different because his look is extreme.
It's like saying you could have Howard the Duck in Avengers 2 and nobody should think it was weird.

But Howard the Duck is a DUCK lol.

MODOK is a freak show, mutated, scientific man-machine designed for killing.

 

[Oruku Saki]

Krang could have been easily intergarted into a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie.

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Yeah about as "out there" as a nine foot tall green behemoth fighting alongside all human looking characters against aliens that have horse skulls for faces that bow down to a purple alien from an inhabitable moon that wants to rule the universe with a gold glove full of gemstones that control everything!

 

[Crimson King]

I put MODOK's chances of appearing on film right up there with the Wrecking Crew and Rhino: not impossible to translate, but nowhere near viable as currently designed.

And I don't equate translating MODOK with the translations for most superhero characters. Be honest with yourself. If you showed an average moviegoer a picture of MODOK and a picture of Winter Soldier, which one will they think is a joke and which one an actual villain? Or put the Wrecking Crew next to Surtur. It's no contest.

 

[BigThor]

You can count me in as being in the camp that would like to see MODOK on the big screen. .

Then again my favorite superhero is a guy from a place where they use "rainbow bridges", so I've never been one to rule characters out because they're "different".

 

[Endeavor]

But Howard the Duck is a DUCK lol.

MODOK is a freak show, mutated, scientific man-machine designed for killing.

I know, I used an extreme example. My point is that you can't say every character can be adapted just as easily. Some take more work than others.
Remember it's not just us Comics or Cartoons fans that will be seeing these films.

 

[Smashlilman]

This is the closest thing to MODOK ever put on film. Cain from Robocop 2.
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[Oruku Saki]

I still think it's ridiculous they won't use the Mandarin for IM3 because of "racial stereotyping" really? Is that why IM didn't get put in a vietnamese prison but instead was in Afghanistan since we are at war with them now...then when we aren't anymore any depiction of them as villainous will be "racial stereotyping". I love how everyone is categorized to fit an agenda.

 

[Endeavor]

I still think it's ridiculous they won't use the Mandarin for IM3 because of "racial stereotyping" really? Is that why IM didn't get put in a vietnamese prison but instead was in Afghanistan since we are at war with them now...then when we aren't anymore any depiction of them as villainous will be "racial stereotyping". I love how everyone is categorized to fit an agenda.

Actually, with news that IM3 will be filming on location in China, we might just get the Mandarin after all.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

I put MODOK's chances of appearing on film right up there with the Wrecking Crew and Rhino: not impossible to translate, but nowhere near viable as currently designed.

And I don't equate translating MODOK with the translations for most superhero characters. Be honest with yourself. If you showed an average moviegoer a picture of MODOK and a picture of Winter Soldier, which one will they think is a joke and which one an actual villain? Or put the Wrecking Crew next to Surtur. It's no contest.

That doesn't make it any less easy to translate to screen.

 

[terry78]

Basically, a lot of classic comic book characters and scenarios look goofy as **** until some concept artists and directors figure out how to translate. ****, Batman as a concept looks like somebody was smoking the wacky tobaccy, but writers and artists have figured out how to make him an icon.

 

[Crimson King]

I have to get to sleep, otherwise I'd debate you on this all night. I'll just end by saying that it's no coincidence that MODOK's character is passed off as comic relief half the time. And again, it's not that I don't have the imagination to accept him. It's that I'd use that imagination to redesign some of the sillier aspects of his design.

 

[Oruku Saki]

Actually, with news that IM3 will be filming on location in China, we might just get the Mandarin after all.

And I think he would be a good fit for IM because, up till now, Tony has only had to deal with his own power against him. I think it's time he faces a power NOT created by his arc reactor cause that's getting old circa IM 2. Using Mandarin's "alien" technology of the ten rings it only makes sense; otherwise why even mention the 10 rings in the 1st movie if they never planned on bringing Mandarin on board.

The only problem I see now is that the Director has a chip on his shoulder about the character and I'm sure that prob won't play well with Marvel if they had already planned to bring Mandarin in. Hmm, methinks this will be shane black's 1st and last marvel pick as well as others

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

I have to get to sleep, otherwise I'd debate you on this all night. I'll just end by saying that it's no coincidence that MODOK's character is passed off as comic relief half the time.

The same reason comic book movies took half a century to be taken seriously in film... nobody was willing to take a chance on em

Sleep tight

 

[Captain Marvel]

This is the closest thing to MODOK ever put on film. Cain from Robocop 2.
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You're thinking Arnim Zola.

This is MODOK.

 

[Smashlilman]

I still think it's ridiculous they won't use the Mandarin for IM3 because of "racial stereotyping" really? Is that why IM didn't get put in a vietnamese prison but instead was in Afghanistan since we are at war with them now...then when we aren't anymore any depiction of them as villainous will be "racial stereotyping". I love how everyone is categorized to fit an agenda.

Nope everything about Mandarin was just a bunch of Asian stereotypes tossed together. Even Fin Fang Foom was just a play on Ching Chang Chong. The same could be said of Black Panther and other early Minority character. They where created by White guys that didn't understand the Cultures that they were basing there characters off up. So they would just make up stuff based apon the little that they knew (Stereotypes).

IM1 used Afghanistan because Afghanistan is still relevant. It's basically our generations equivalent of Vietnam.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Like I said, they'll say it won't work right up until the day it does.

That line of thinking is what leads to giant space clouds instead of Galactus and Parallax.

 

[Endeavor]

LOL
Im sorry but I see him and I just start laughing, I can't control it.

I'd love to see Arnim come back to the MCU in any way possible.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Like I said, they'll say it won't work right up until the day it does.

You'd think people would learn from the whole Heath Ledger Joker fiasco...

That line of thinking is what leads to giant space clouds instead of Galactus and Parallax.

 

[Smashlilman]

You're thinking Arnim Zola.

This is MODOK.

I know who MODOK is i was just saying that was the closest that i could find to a weird MODOK esque character in the movies. Head with body type thing. I'm just talking about the concept of modok at a basic level.

 

[Oruku Saki]

Nope everything about Mandarin was just a bunch of Asian stereotypes tossed together. Even Fin Fang Foom was just a play on Ching Chang Chong. The same could be said of Black Panther and other early Minority character. They where created by White guys that didn't understand the Cultures that they were basing there characters off up. So they would just make up stuff based apon the little that they knew (Stereotypes).

IM1 used Afghanistan because Afghanistan is still relevant. It's basically our generations equivalent of Vietnam.

What were the asian stereotypes if i may ask that "they" were basing their characters off of? I didn't read many IM comics like i did Hulk; x-men; cap.

 

[Oruku Saki]

from reading his history page it sounds like he basically is a bitter guy that lost all his wealth and power and blames the government, so his plan is to overthrow them and take over with any means necessary, hence him discovering the 10 rings of power from the alien ship which he used to systematically overthrow some of China before he started running into heroes like IM and Hulk. Seems pretty easy to "not" stereotype the guy if you just follow the simple guideline above. I mean, make him any race you want if it bothers everybody, but his motivations shouldn't change

 

[cherokeesam]

Agreed

I don't understand why MODOK can't be on the big screen. I can't stand when people say a,b,c can't work because of x,y,z. When you do something like MODOK you have to embrace the awkward, weird, freaky, and crazy look of the character. You have to embrace that it looks out of place and have to play up that angle. You write a script around it with that in mind. You intentionally use him to shock and disturb your audience.

Isn't that what Josh Whedon did with The Avengers. You have a Viking God that fights with a Hammer, a World War 2 Super Solider that fight with a Shield, an Assassin/Marksman that uses a bow and arrow and they're telling me something can't be done.

FYI - Personally i hate MODOK's Guts and i hope they never use him. I just hate when people say you can't do something when it obviously can be done. The question isn't can it be done. The question how do you execute it.

Doesn't have anything to do with "can't be done"; it has everything to do with the coolness factor.

Thor looks cool. Cap looks cool (even with the much-maligned bullet-head helmet look). Iron Man, Hawkeye, Widow, Loki --- all bad-ass, all cool.

MODOK? Nope. Nothing even remotely close to cool. He'd be laughed completely out of theaters if they played him straight.

I could see MODOK working just fine 'n' dandy in a Deadpool film. Not much else.

 

[Oruku Saki]

well you know what they say "if you can't make modok work, just make everyone M.O.D.O.K."