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[thalidomide]

Speaking of Bifrost did they even bother telling to the audience on how Thor made it to Earth

Don't say any spoilers just yes or no.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

What I'm hoping for Thor 2 for Jane is that she's part of a love triangle with Sif and Thor. I liked that they touched on Sif's feeling (albeit briefly), I'd like to see her be more open and actively challenge Jane for Thor's feelings. Also if Enchantress is a villain in the sequel it could make it even more interesting, maybe even force Jane and Sif to unite against her.

My thing is that I can't imagine why Jane wouldn't be a target if she was introduced to Asgard. Loki threatened Thor with her in the last film and he's obviously gonna be a little bitter from his defeat in TA so I don't see why he wouldn't make good on that threat.

You can do damsel in distress better that the Spider-Man movies. That junk was just ridiculous. They pretty much made it MJ's destiny to have to be rescued in those films, and it never made sense half the time. But Jane being completely foreign to Asgard among a slew of baddies from the 9 realms? That's practically painting a target on her forehead.

 

[The Infernal]

While I don't expect her to suddenly become a warrior (leave that up to Sif, please Mr. Taylor!) I'd love for Jane's smarts to play a decisive role in Thor 2's plot rather than be kidnapped, placed in jeopardy, etc. Or, if they have to have her in a perilous situation, have her McGyver her way out.

The MCU has done a great job so far not having the females be mere plot devices or love interests. I'd like to keep that going.

Yeah, just to be clear. I'm not arguing that either, but it's not uncommon to have supporting characters involved in the battles even peripherally like she was in Thor. She doesn't/shouldn't be involved in the fighting, but she can have influence.

Are people still impressed with that? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PowerWalk

Meh, tvtropes. It's a wiki not a rulebook of cool.

 

[SimiOfDoom]

This is more in regards to fleshing out their relationship better. I can't think of any other way to show their connection to each other than Thor having to risk life and limb for her. The star-crossed lovers thing just did not work at all for me in Thor and I want to see something happen there. And I didn't really see her whole "independent" side as you described. Honestly I just didn't understand her in general, she was just kinda there.


And that's really all I want to see in the end. Let him have a relationship with Sif if he has to have one.

Yes, it was more a little romance in Thor, not a fleshed out love story. Maybe CBM makers feel obligated to give their heroes love interests?

I also agree that making Jane meet the other Asgardians could be a funny story, but not enough for a whole movie... Does anyone know if the screenplay for Thor 2 is already written?

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

While I don't expect her to suddenly become a warrior (leave that up to Sif, please Mr. Taylor!) I'd love for Jane's smarts to play a decisive role in Thor 2's plot rather than be kidnapped, placed in jeopardy, etc. Or, if they have to have her in a perilous situation, have her McGyver her way out.

The MCU has done a great job so far not having the females be mere plot devices or love interests. I'd like to keep that going.

That's definitely the wording I would use. She is clearly in danger if she is being brought to Asgard.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I think it'd be very cool and charming to see Thor introduce Jane to Odin and the family. Like a cosmic Meet the Parents.

*Odin puts an arm around Sleipnir protectively*

'You tried to milk him, didn't you, you sick *****?'

 

[The Morningstar]

*Odin puts an arm around Sleipnir protectively*

'You tried to milk him, didn't you, you sick *****?'

You son of a gun. Literal lol.

 

[Scarlettess]

You ever seen Crocodile Dundee? You know that part where Mick is on that rock swinging that thing around making a weird noise? I want to see Thor doing something like that.

Wait, hear me out! lol. I want to see him go up into the sky and whip up a massive storm, like an actual Hurricane, then absorb it into Mjolnir to use in an attack to literally one shot an opponent. All the force of a Hurricane concentrated into a single hammer blow. BOOM!

Crocodile Dundee was one of my favourite films when i was young t: I know which scene your talking about, and I can kinda see it, though they should make it like he's swinging something spectacular around, that makes the GA stare in awe. That Hurricane into the hammer thing sounds absolutely awesome though, if done right, has he done something like that in the comics before?

I want a Thor 2 that is true to Thor's character. I don't care where they set it although I would prefer a heavier focus on Earth than Thor 1. I don't think I'll get that though.




I've said all along, if Science is magic put the scientist against the Enchantress while Thor smacks Skurge around

This I would love to see, while the God is busy, the human takes on something of much greater threat, and this would work great with how they're trying to portray the magic of asgard to the science of earth. Also it could be proving herself to be worthy in Asgard maybe? and as an Asgardians spouse? as people (such as sif) would despise the idea of him being with a human.

I want him to travel through some of the nine realms too, as we didn't get to see much of that in the first, but earth is a no-brainer, they'll include it for at least some of the movie, as it's an 'in' way of connecting the audience to the character and making him somewhat relatable.

 

[04nbod]

TomPiltoff do you ever contribute anything but negativity? Even though i agree with you here, give it a rest.

Anyway, perhaps Thor brings Jane to Asgard to help find a way to get to the other realms due to the BiFrost being destroyed? It'd be interesting to see Odin and the other Asgardians being impressed with this mere mortal's knowledge of their "magic" and how it works.

I do wonder if they will go Ultimate with Odin and have him embodying the 'all father' persona as a real father of all role or go 616 and have him dismiss Jane just for her humanity.

Besides, I would think Jane would impress Thor far more by not being a damsel in distress, someone he has to continually rescue.

It doesn't really matter though, If we go by the story he's more taken with her humanity, compassion and selflessness. These are all things Thor is aspiring to have. He doesn't care if he has to make up for her lack of physical power, that doesn't interest him. Its not a case that the macho God desires a macho woman. Jane has far more important characteristics. Its easy to smash something, not so easy to put it back together again like Jane does as a Doctor/scientist.

My thing is that I can't imagine why Jane wouldn't be a target if she was introduced to Asgard. Loki threatened Thor with her in the last film and he's obviously gonna be a little bitter from his defeat in TA so I don't see why he wouldn't make good on that threat.

You can do damsel in distress better that the Spider-Man movies. That junk was just ridiculous. They pretty much made it MJ's destiny to have to be rescued in those films, and it never made sense half the time. But Jane being completely foreign to Asgard among a slew of baddies from the 9 realms? That's practically painting a target on her forehead.

Who says she can't be the target of the villain? What matters is how they deal with it. They can't have Thor rescue her.

 

[Raiden]

My thing is that I can't imagine why Jane wouldn't be a target if she was introduced to Asgard. Loki threatened Thor with her in the last film and he's obviously gonna be a little bitter from his defeat in TA so I don't see why he wouldn't make good on that threat.

You can do damsel in distress better that the Spider-Man movies. That junk was just ridiculous. They pretty much made it MJ's destiny to have to be rescued in those films, and it never made sense half the time. But Jane being completely foreign to Asgard among a slew of baddies from the 9 realms? That's practically painting a target on her forehead.

I think Jane can work as a damsel-in-distress, to make Thor vulnerable against his enemies, and raises the stake in the sequel.

 

[The Morningstar]

Crocodile Dundee was one of my favourite films when i was young t: I know which scene your talking about, and I can kinda see it, though they should make it like he's swinging something spectacular around, that makes the GA stare in awe. That Hurricane into the hammer thing sounds absolutely awesome though, if done right, has he done something like that in the comics before?

I mean he'd be spinning Mjolnir round and round and round, creating a vortex which eventually becomes a Hurricane.

And i'm not sure if he's absorbed a storm into the hammer in the comics, but he should do!

 

[Scarlettess]

Jane could work as a damsel-in-distress if she is taken to Asgard, but I would only want that to be either a side or a part of the overall thing and not the central plot.

 

[The Infernal]

My thing is that I can't imagine why Jane wouldn't be a target if she was introduced to Asgard. Loki threatened Thor with her in the last film and he's obviously gonna be a little bitter from his defeat in TA so I don't see why he wouldn't make good on that threat.

You can do damsel in distress better that the Spider-Man movies. That junk was just ridiculous. They pretty much made it MJ's destiny to have to be rescued in those films, and it never made sense half the time. But Jane being completely foreign to Asgard among a slew of baddies from the 9 realms? That's practically painting a target on her forehead.

I see where you're coming from, but I don't think it's mandatory. I'm not saying there isn't room for peril, but it doesn't need to reduce her to the role of the damsel. Her character is shown as incredibly smart and she's able bodied, so there's no reason why she can't handle herself in her own way. It doesn't need to involve her getting physical with enemies (it just wouldn't work), but she should be able to evade or escape enemies.

Also you're assuming Loki is the big bad guy. We don't know what role he will play (it's is a safe bet he will be there in some form though). Even if he is the main villain or just one of them I don't see the 'kidnap the princess and take her to his evil lair' as being his modus operandi. He's all about deception and luring the heroes into their own doom.

Also in one of your previous posts where you largely say you could only envision buying Thor caring for her through her being the damsel. I find that incredibly artificial. I think the romance would be better served by them just spending time together, much like they did in the first one. It could have been more developed, but I still got the feeling that they cared for one another (though not a full fledged romance). They don't really need to say "I love you", it can be in the way they look at each other, how they act together. Sometimes it's just better for people to be around each other and get to know one another rather than being thrown together through circumstance.

 

[Suzanne78]

It doesn't really matter though, If we go by the story he's more taken with her humanity, compassion and selflessness. These are all things Thor is aspiring to have. He doesn't care if he has to make up for her lack of physical power, that doesn't interest him. Its not a case that the macho God desires a macho woman. Jane has far more important characteristics. Its easy to smash something, not so easy to put it back together again like Jane does as a Doctor/scientist.

I agree with you, which is why my initial post referenced using Jane's intelligence (and yeah, compassion and selflessness) in Thor 2 as well. I meant more that the writers continue to develop Jane outside of the trope of a mere damsel in distress, which they thankfully avoided in Thor 1. I do want them to avoid "Mary Janing" her as much as possible, but continue building her character up outside of 'love interest of Thor'.

 

[Shadowlord X]

I think Jane Foster has a very important role to play in the THOR sequels; she is not a throw-away love interest/damsel in distress.

She is a focus for one of THOR's major dilemmas, i.e., choosing between Asgard and Midgard; deciding where his loyalty primarily lies. ODIN always wants THOR to be devoted to Asgard, but THOR tends to be devoted to Midgard. I really hope they expose that THOR's real mother is from Midgard and really play up this dilemma.

 

[TomPiltoff]

Na, it just makes you look like a miserable, unimaginative ****.

Yeah, OK, that's totally called for dude. Thanks.

 

[The Morningstar]

I'm not saying you are one, i'm just saying it makes you look like one. I mean, isn't it boring and unfulfilling to be negative all the time?

 

[Suzanne78]

I think Jane Foster has a very important role to play in the THOR sequels; she is not a throw-away love interest/damsel in distress.

She is a focus for one of THOR's major dilemmas, i.e., choosing between Asgard and Midgard; deciding where his loyalty primarily lies. ODIN always wants THOR to be devoted to Asgard, but THOR tends to be devoted to Midgard. I really hope they expose that THOR's real mother is from Midgard and really play up this dilemma.

Yes!

Wait... is Thor's real mother actually from Midgard in the comics? I never knew that.

Also, I would love a more lived-in look for Asgard. It was lovely in the first film, but it did feel a little... sterile, maybe? I'd like to see some wear, some damage, some age on the structures and the clothing.

Also, can I just say: GUY PEARCE IN IM3? This is only serving to make me even more excited for MCU stage 2.

 

[Iceman]

What I'm hoping for Thor 2 for Jane is that she's part of a love triangle with Sif and Thor. I liked that they touched on Sif's feeling (albeit briefly), I'd like to see her be more open and actively challenge Jane for Thor's feelings. Also if Enchantress is a villain in the sequel it could make it even more interesting, maybe even force Jane and Sif to unite against her.

Got to be honest, I'm kind of sick of love triangles!

 

[The Infernal]

Got to be honest, I'm kind of sick of love triangles!

Yeah, they're not to everyone's tastes, but I think it may be necessary with how Thor played out.

 

[04nbod]

Yes!

Wait... is Thor's real mother actually from Midgard in the comics? I never knew that.

Also, I would love a more lived-in look for Asgard. It was lovely in the first film, but it did feel a little... sterile, maybe? I'd like to see some wear, some damage, some age on the structures and the clothing.

Also, can I just say: GUY PEARCE IN IM3? This is only serving to make me even more excited for MCU stage 2.

His mother is Gaia so she is Earth personified. She wasn't human, she's the last of the elder gods.

Yeah, they're not to everyone's tastes, but I think it may be necessary with how Thor played out.

The Sif thing consisted of one longing look at the end. They still have room to ignore it but Jaimie is pretty insistant they work with it. She's the one that wanted the little moment in Thor in the first place.

 

[Hawkingbird]

Is there going to be an Agent 13 romance?

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

I think Jane can work as a damsel-in-distress, to make Thor vulnerable against his enemies, and raises the stake in the sequel.

Yeah, you can really make it central to Thor too. I just don't see a scenario where she's taken to Asgard and isn't in some way thrown into peril.

I see where you're coming from, but I don't think it's mandatory. I'm not saying there isn't room for peril, but it doesn't need to reduce her to the role of the damsel. Her character is shown as incredibly smart and she's able bodied, so there's no reason why she can't handle herself in her own way. It doesn't need to involve her getting physical with enemies (it just wouldn't work), but she should be able to evade or escape enemies.

Also you're assuming Loki is the big bad guy. We don't know what role he will play (it's is a safe bet he will be there in some form though). Even if he is the main villain or just one of them I don't see the 'kidnap the princess and take her to his evil lair' as being his modus operandi. He's all about deception and luring the heroes into their own doom.

Also in one of your previous posts where you largely say you could only envision buying Thor caring for her through her being the damsel. I find that incredibly artificial. I think the romance would be better served by them just spending time together, much like they did in the first one. It could have been more developed, but I still got the feeling that they cared for one another (though not a full fledged romance). They don't really need to say "I love you", it can be in the way they look at each other, how they act together. Sometimes it's just better for people to be around each other and get to know one another rather than being thrown together through circumstance.

Being in some sort of peril, yes. There was just no motivation for their love story in Thor to be any kind of legitimate. I feel like if Thor met any other woman first he'd have felt the same way. She just didn't show me why she was so special in the first place. So I say, why not put her in danger and let Thor show us why he's willing to risk life and limb to get her back? It would at least give us an idea of why he's so taken with her and why it's important that she's in his life.

I like the idea of there being high stakes in this sequel, not just more fleshing out of a love story that I didn't really care for in the previous installment. If they're going to do something with that love story then make it tense and deserving of the action that needs to take place for it to be a high stakes movie. Maybe Jane is also a target because she knows something about the connection to Asgard and Earth that could be beneficial to Loki and/or any other slew of baddies that inhabit the 9 realms. I'm not saying to simply kidnap her because she's Thor's squeeze, that would be shallow. It can be done well, and honestly if Jane is a central player and is taken to Asgard, I really do see it being the case.

 

[Scarlettess]

I agree with you, which is why my initial post referenced using Jane's intelligence (and yeah, compassion and selflessness) in Thor 2 as well. I meant more that the writers continue to develop Jane outside of the trope of a mere damsel in distress, which they thankfully avoided in Thor 1. I do want them to avoid "Mary Janing" her as much as possible, but continue building her character up outside of 'love interest of Thor'.

I think Jane Foster has a very important role to play in the THOR sequels; she is not a throw-away love interest/damsel in distress.

She is a focus for one of THOR's major dilemmas, i.e., choosing between Asgard and Midgard; deciding where his loyalty primarily lies. ODIN always wants THOR to be devoted to Asgard, but THOR tends to be devoted to Midgard. I really hope they expose that THOR's real mother is from Midgard and really play up this dilemma.

I agree with all this. I don't want her to be a damsel in destress, but more like uses her head and intelligence to fight the villains and help Thor possibly defeat them....by working behind the scenes and not on the front field.

 

[The Infernal]

Yeah, you can really make it central to Thor too. I just don't see a scenario where she's taken to Asgard and isn't in some way thrown into peril.

Being in some sort of peril, yes. There was just no motivation for their love story in Thor to be any kind of legitimate. I feel like if Thor met any other woman first he'd have felt the same way. She just didn't show me why she was so special in the first place. So I say, why not put her in danger and let Thor show us why he's willing to risk life and limb to get her back? It would at least give us an idea of why he's so taken with her and why it's important that she's in his life.

I like the idea of there being high stakes in this sequel, not just more fleshing out of a love story that I didn't really care for in the previous installment. If they're going to do something with that love story then make it tense and deserving of the action that needs to take place for it to be a high stakes movie. Maybe Jane is also a target because she knows something about the connection to Asgard and Earth that could be beneficial to Loki and/or any other slew of baddies that inhabit the 9 realms. I'm not saying to simply kidnap her because she's Thor's squeeze, that would be shallow. It can be done well, and honestly if Jane is a central player and is taken to Asgard, I really do see it being the case.

Again, I just see it as being artificial. Thor going to save her doesn't prove he loves her. If anything it could devalue their relationship with accusations of her just having a hero complex if they suddenly fall in love when he rescues her. Her being threatened or not doesn't make or break Thor 2 being high stakes. Frankly I'd hope they'd rely on a strong main story as the backbone of the sequel.

Also it wasn't because she was first. It was her strength of character and selflessness, like others have said, that drew Thor to her (and running him over twice ). It wasn't a full blown romance, but it was enough that Thor longed to get back to Earth. He wanted to explore the possibilities with her.

The Sif thing consisted of one longing look at the end. They still have room to ignore it but Jaimie is pretty insistant they work with it. She's the one that wanted the little moment in Thor in the first place.

They could ignore it. It wasn't a lot, but I think it was obvious to most of the audience watching what was happening. I didn't know Jamie insisted on that, but for good or ill it's there now. I'd personally like to see them expand on it.