The Avengers The Avengers Post Screening Review & Discussion Thread (SPOILER FILLED) - Part 5

[daniel don]

can anyone please tell me what happened to thor when he fell from the helicarrier inside the glass cage? i know he broke and smashes out in it in the last minute but when he tried to summon his hammer, why didnt it flew to him? did he temporarily loses his power?

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Wow wow, X Men First Class better than this?! PLEASE! I rewatched it a couple of days ago, and it's NOWHERE near as good as The Avengers.

I mean, just for Hulk, it makes it superior. Very surprised to read such a comment.

For Thor's hammer, it's maybe why he summons the thunder, with the tornado and stuff afterwards to get his armor on, maybe he needed this to regain possession of the hammer.

 

[Superwhat]

Wow wow, X Men First Class better than this?! PLEASE! I rewatched it a couple of days ago, and it's NOWHERE near as good as The Avengers.

I mean, just for Hulk, it makes it superior. Very surprised to read such a comment.

For Thor's hammer, it's maybe why he summons the thunder, with the tornado and stuff afterwards to get his armor on, maybe he needed this to regain possession of the hammer.

I agree. As much as I liked First Class, it's nowhere near the Avengers. It's not even a close race, the Avengers is head and shoulders better.

 

[ZenTheAvenger]

Wow wow, X Men First Class better than this?! PLEASE! I rewatched it a couple of days ago, and it's NOWHERE near as good as The Avengers.

I mean, just for Hulk, it makes it superior. Very surprised to read such a comment.

For Thor's hammer, it's maybe why he summons the thunder, with the tornado and stuff afterwards to get his armor on, maybe he needed this to regain possession of the hammer.

Agree, I'm a massive fan of X-Men: First Class but The Avengers is FAR better.

Nothing can touch The Avengers. It's over to The Amazing Spider-Man and Dark Knight Rises to steal the crown of Best Superhero Movie ever. Good luck.

 

[peterparker0077]

So, I saw it last night...

a few thoughts...

Spoiler

Some folks said the army was not in the final battle, but they rolled in last night in the version I saw, it was just a short few clips though

and

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I went in knowing Coulson's death... knowing that, the lines he said to Fury seemed to indicate that something was planned, or something was set up for that to happen. Maybe he was a LMD? That's how I took it.

and... the movie was awesome in every way and I can't wait to see in in IMAX next week

 

[jaqua99]

Agree, I'm a massive fan of X-Men: First Class but The Avengers is FAR better.

Nothing can touch The Avengers. It's over to The Amazing Spider-Man and Dark Knight Rises to steal the crown of Best Superhero Movie ever. Good luck.

So you would definitely put it over The Dark Knight?

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

So you would definitely put it over The Dark Knight?

That would be like comparing apples to fruit loops. totally different beasts.

 

[jaqua99]

Yeah that was awesome and judging from the previews Thor is going to fly in space quite a bit in EMH's season 2. t:

Thor has hardly been in the show! But that surtur scene gave me the chills

 

[Son of Coul]

can anyone please tell me what happened to thor when he fell from the helicarrier inside the glass cage? i know he broke and smashes out in it in the last minute but when he tried to summon his hammer, why didnt it flew to him? did he temporarily loses his power?

That's actually a good question. I don't recall the gap between that moment and him summoning the lightning well enough to remember though.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Yeah very difficult to compare TDK and The Avengers. For me, TDK is not even a super-hero movie.

I think TDK is a masterpiece, but the Avengers has Thor, Iron Man, Hulk, Cap, Hawkeye, BW, how do you top that?!

Right now, I couldn't say which one is better, it's too different, and I don't find superheroes without super powers like Batman as interesting as those characters.


Right now, I'm just enjoying this masterpiece that is The Avengers, but I still believe that The Amazing Spider-Man will blow people away, it's surprisingly the underdog, but seeing those comments already (from CinemaCon) that the characters are great, that the webslinging looks INSANE in 3D, and seeing the incredible cast, and talented director, I'm sure it will be fantastic.

Now in the end, I'm a huge Spider-Man fan, he's my favorite super-hero hands down, so I'm more enclined to be blown away by it.

 

[psylockolussus]

I agree. As much as I liked First Class, it's nowhere near the Avengers. It's not even a close race, the Avengers is head and shoulders better.

X-Men: First Class had a great and unique story, thats why its better.

The Avengers had the big characters and the action was really great but the story was very simple. It reminded me of the Marvel: Ultimate Alliance videogame to be honest.

 

[jaqua99]

Look I tend to agree I felt a little let down - I guess I was expecting more since we all thought there was going to be a surprise villain or enemy not just Loki and a bunch of generic BEMs. So Im probably being a little unfair.

I loved it but it didn't feel like it had a soul - like X2 or Iron Man did. It was lots of action and very even handed character management - but I walked out feeling unsatisfied. Like in attempting to please everyone they didn't fully please anyone.

I guess ensemble films really need a lead character after all. I gave it 4/5. Iron Man was still better in my opinion.

What???

I don't think any of us thought that man

 

[jaqua99]

Actually don't look now, but NONE of the Avengers references in the Marvel films make much sense in hindsight

1.IM - "I wanna talk about the Avengers Initiative" ...that later gets scrapped.
2. Hulk - "Im putting a team together...only Im not.... cause in IM2 Im going to make it clear that I want no part of the Avengers...and besides why am I even telling YOU this? We're never going to see you again!!"
3. IM2 - You're a consultant ....no wait, The Avengers is scrapped, no wait we need you as a foundation member.....

But it was still cool even if it was nonsensical :P

1. It was talked about at the end of ironman 2. rehashed maybe.

2. "We're" putting a team together. Hulk takes place after Ironman 2. And just because he is a consultant at the moment,for shield, he can still say as a consultant that we are putting a team together. These were fine with me.

3. Yeah, made no sense lol

 

[jaqua99]

I think the main beef with Evans as Cap right now is his age. He looks a little young. That's okay. By the time the sequel rolls around he will have put some mileage his face (lol the trailer for MIB 3...how old are you, 29, you got city miles on you)...anyway I think most of us will warm up to evans as cap.

I personally think he was fine in CA:TA But ill see in the avengers

 

[Drummerdude7]

1. It was talked about at the end of ironman 2. rehashed maybe.

2. "We're" putting a team together. Hulk takes place after Ironman 2. And just because he is a consultant at the moment,for shield, he can still say as a consultant that we are putting a team together. These were fine with me.

3. Yeah, made no sense lol

I brought this up yesterday....glad it's being addressed now. The whole consultant thing makes no sense, and acted as a partial retcon for TIH.

Timeline:

IM - Fury talks to Stark about joining the initiative. Stark says no.

IM2 - Stark is helped by Fury with his problem, says no again. After seemingly learning some more about responsibility, Stark seems to reconsider, only to be rejected from the initiative to be used as a "consultant."

TIH - Stark speaks with General Ross about his "unusual problem." Originally this scene was meant to detail that a team was being put together with the objective of taking down the Hulk, as he was (possibly) being used as one of the Avenger's villains. After MS decided to go in a different direction, they retconned it so that Stark was actually there to piss off Ross into refusing to surrender Abomination for the Avengers. Again, no real "consulting" there, nor do we ever see him perform that job.

I feel like they were trying to go for a different setup in which it might actually seem like Tony wouldn't be on the team due to his increasingly arrogant and self absorbed nature....but it was terribly executed, as those issues were completely forgotten about at the film's "recruitment" process.

 

[Scarlettess]

I see it as having Iron Man on the team was a wild card to Fury much like Hulk, but because of the events in the avengers, (Loki and the Cube) he has no choice but to bring him onto the team and hope for the best that it works in his favour. It was worth the risk more than trying to go up against Loki and his army without them.

 

[Drummerdude7]

Oh, I get that, but the whole consultant angle was pointless. It seemed like it was building towards a set of cameos with Stark doing recruitment duties or profiling but there was no payoff whatsoever.

They could've have easily portrayed the wild card angle by just rejecting Stark outright, saying, "Sorry, we gave you a chance but you're just too unpredictable, arrogant, etc for this team."...which they did, but then tacked on the consultant angle that seemed like it was going to go somewhere and never did.

 

[third3ye]

Ok guys a little help here, not sure if this has been posted but it's been bugging me the most ever since the first time I saw the movie, and I got some better insight after watching it again last night but still would like some other people here to jump in.

Spoiler

This involves the whole Loki on the Helicarrier part where he casts a spell on Banner, caught it the 2nd time around during the slow-mo scene where Loki is escorted by SHIELD soldiers and staring at Banner. At the end Banner has to rub the bridge of his nose, thus showing something happened to him. Loki then admits to BW his plan to tear the team apart involved getting Banner to Hulk out.

Question is, does the spear have any function in helping Banner lose control? And also is the spear escalating the arguing among all the heroes in that scene inside the room? I know that the spear glowing was to function as a tracking beacon for Hawkeye's team, but not sure if it also had another function. Banner then picks up the spear subconsciously, so not sure if the spear was part of the spell or if Banner just grabbed the nearest weapon as he was losing control.

What throws me off is when Stark and Rogers were arguing, there was a part in the middle where Stark inexplicably shakes his head, can't tell if he's trying to shake off a spell or if he's just shaking his head because of something someone said.

It would seem that using the spear to influence the infighting downplays the tension that Whedon wants to demonstrate among the individual characters, so that's why I don't think the spear was causing all the infighting, but let's hear your thoughts.

 

[Son of Coul]

Spoiler

I believe that Loki was using the spear/gem to influence Banner as well as the Hulk, but not the rest of the team. They started arguing on their own and that just helped push Banner/Hulk to losing control.

And if you're referring to Cap's "head shake" reaction after the "Who's the one wearing the spangly outfit and the least useful?" line or whatever Stark says, I figured he was hit kinda hard by Stark calling him useless.

I have to see it again, but that was my initial interpretation.

 

[peterparker0077]

Spoiler

to me it seemed Loki was using the staff to incite everyone's anger in the room

 

[Alienous]

Hello, just posting some of my opinions after seeing 'Avengers Assemble'. It does contain spoilers, just in case you weren't expecting those when you entered a SPOILER FILLED discussion thread.

Spoiler

I think that the movie can be summed up in one phrase, "Never meet your heroes". As hard as it may try 'Avengers Assemble' does not live up to the hype, and it never could have.

+ The film had a good amount of action.

- The story was passable at best. The tired "We're taking this situation out of your hands" trope did not work in this film. SHIELD seriously don't have a button that can disable outgoing vehicles incase of highjacking? They don't have an authorisation system that would mean somebody could leave the Helicarrier WITH A NUKE.

+ ...the action was good.

- The film felt like it was missing scenes. "How did you get here? Must've been some voodoo ****" is pretty much the explanation for Thor's appearance on earth. We didn't get to see Loki drifting through space to be picked up by a friendly alien race, nothing. Even Stan Lee's cameo seemed like an afterthought.

+ Black Widow, the Hulk and Hawkeye stood out. As they should. They haven't really had their time in the spotlight.

- The writing, oh man the writing. "He's adopted", whilst funny, does not suit Thor. Since when was Captain America a bully? "Go on Stark, put on your suit so I can mess you up. Oh, you saved me from Loki? Nevermind, I want to punch you".

+ The 3D, especially as it was post-production, was amazing. I spent pretty much the whole film thing "How... how 're ya doing that? How 're you doing that". It was awesome.

- The start was painfully slow. Through the first 30 minutes I was thinking "Ok, I've heard good things about the film, it's got to pick up". "Ok, Loki's a god but he need human scientists to work on an object from outer space...ok, the actions right around the corner"

As a film I think it pales in comparison to Iron Man 1, Thor and Captain America. A film like the Avengers should be nothing less that 3 hours long, otherwise it would be a struggle to do it justice.

(Also, bonus points for whoever can tell me why Bruce Banner picked up the staff? 'Cause he's always angry (that was awesome)? I thought that Loki got into his head when he was rubbing his eyes. I was expecting Hulk to be trying to take down the Avengers, maybe even when the nuke is headed to New York. Also, nice parallels between Captain America and Iron man, expect Iron man not only diverted the nuke but crashed it into an hostile alien race. Bad. Ass.)

Oh yeah, about the death of...

Spoiler

Coulson. Did Nick Fury get Coulsons collector cards and wipe it on his face? That's sick, even by supervillian standard

 

[third3ye]

Spoiler

I believe that Loki was using the spear/gem to influence Banner as well as the Hulk, but not the rest of the team. They started arguing on their own and that just helped push Banner/Hulk to losing control.

And if you're referring to Cap's "head shake" reaction after the "Who's the one wearing the spangly outfit and the least useful?" line or whatever Stark says, I figured he was hit kinda hard by Stark calling him useless.

I have to see it again, but that was my initial interpretation.

Actually I was referring to the part where Stark shakes his head, not Rogers.

 

[TheBlueMcCoy82]

X-Men: First Class had a great and unique story, thats why its better.
.

Says the person with an X-Men avatar, A "Mutant and Proud" subtitle under his screen name and a link to X-Men Central? Of course you're not being biased. lol

 

[BatsDC]

There's one thing bugging me about the mid-credits scene.

Spoiler

Why is Thanos' hand seemingly human when he slams it down?

 

[Alienous]

Oh, yeah, does anyone have any clue

Spoiler

why some the Chitauri wouldn't be protecting the portal instead of, you know, taking hostages in a library a fumbling around for dropped space grenades?