The Avengers The Avengers Post Screening Review & Discussion Thread (SPOILER FILLED) - Part 5

[Xeno]

answer without spoilers...

I thought the movie made it clear that all of them were needed, that all the skills were vital to stopping the aliens and saving the people in the city. Stark just happened to have the right skill set for dealing with that particular problem. =)

answer with spoilers....

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I thought that it was seamless as Iron man being the one to do it, emotinally in the film there was some questioning of stark's heroic qualities by other avengers, and I think this was in there to address that but it also made perfect sense to me thinking about it in terms of the team members skill set and who would be best to handle that problem.

All the other characters get their own heroic moments to shine and this was Starks, I thought it was very well handled.

overthought reasons for why it was Stark....
Fury radios stark in his suit to stop it (I think he has like 2 minutes to do this?), which made perfect sense to me as he's the only one with a communications device that can fly, Thor I don't think has a com link or anything else plus he was busy with cap on the ground fighting. In addition, stark used to make weapons/missiles, he's an expert in them so of course fury would ask him rather than Thor to take care of it, as he would know better which parts he could grab/damage without making it go boom. =)

Great points. Also

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Iron Man flew through the wormhole into space/another universe, so having him do it was logical because of his armor's internal pressurization/air supply. It hasn't been established in the MCU whether or not Thor can survive in a vacuum without breathing.

 

[Herolee10]

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Except Tony only Thor had the ability to fly, so only those two could have saved the city. But Thor had not headpiece/communication device so it was Tony who got the call from SHIELD

answer without spoilers...

I thought the movie made it clear that all of them were needed, that all the skills were vital to stopping the aliens and saving the people in the city. Stark just happened to have the right skill set for dealing with that particular problem. =)

answer with spoilers....

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I thought that it was seamless as Iron man being the one to do it, emotinally in the film there was some questioning of stark's heroic qualities by other avengers, and I think this was in there to address that but it also made perfect sense to me thinking about it in terms of the team members skill set and who would be best to handle that problem.

All the other characters get their own heroic moments to shine and this was Starks, I thought it was very well handled.

overthought reasons for why it was Stark....
Fury radios stark in his suit to stop it (I think he has like 2 minutes to do this?), which made perfect sense to me as he's the only one with a communications device that can fly, Thor I don't think has a com link or anything else plus he was busy with cap on the ground fighting. In addition, stark used to make weapons/missiles, he's an expert in them so of course fury would ask him rather than Thor to take care of it, as he would know better which parts he could grab/damage without making it go boom. =)

Great points. Also

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Iron Man flew through the wormhole into space/another universe, so having him do it was logical because of his armor's internal pressurization/air supply. It hasn't been established in the MCU whether or not Thor can survive in a vacuum without breathing.

Thanks for answering guys; really appreciate it.

So all of you guys were then satisfied with the outcome; not feeling one bit that no one hero was presented where they could have taken most of the glory for saving the day?

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Thanks for answering guys; really appreciate it.

So all of you guys were then satisfied with the outcome; not feeling one bit that no one hero was presented where they could have taken most of the glory for saving the day?

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No. They even acknowledged that in the movie itself. I won't spoil it for you in detail, but let's say peoples reactions to the Avengers were taken into account
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[BigThor]

Great points. Also

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Iron Man flew through the wormhole into space/another universe, so having him do it was logical because of his armor's internal pressurization/air supply. It hasn't been established in the MCU whether or not Thor can survive in a vacuum without breathing.

Well this would've been a great time to establish it, I like to think he can and IM was just the only one with a headset.

 

[Herolee10]

Well this would've been a great time to establish it, I like to think he can and IM was just the only one with a headset.

Well considering the nature of Thor 2; what with the exploration of the nine realms, I'm sure that they'll have opportunities to do so in that film..i hope.

 

[Herolee10]

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No. They even acknowledged that in the movie itself. I won't spoil it for you in detail, but let's say peoples reactions to the Avengers were taken into account
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No as in you weren't satisfied or no as in not one hero would have been able to do the job? And thanks again for taking the time to answer.

 

[BigThor]

Well considering the nature of Thor 2; what with the exploration of the nine realms, I'm sure that they'll have opportunities to do so in that film..i hope.

Yeah I really wanted to see Thor in outer space, that's why I was displeased when I found out that IM would be the one in space.

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah I really wanted to see Thor in outer space, that's why I was displeased when I found out that IM would be the one in space.

Ironically enough, I just watched "459" (the episode that introduced Captain Marvel) from EMH's, and I was surprised (pleased) to see Thor having been the one to fly deeper into space while iron man was the one having issues going farther and how Thor threw the bomb away from Earth, causing him to be thrown back.

Amusingly enough, it was said that Iron man caught him when he fell from space, with Thor saying that he would have awoken in time even if Iron Man didn't save him.lol

 

[BigThor]

Ironically enough, I just watched "459" (the episode that introduced Captain Marvel) from EMH's, and I was surprised (pleased) to see Thor having been the one to fly deeper into space while iron man was the one having issues going farther and how Thor threw the bomb away from Earth, causing him to be thrown back.

Amusingly enough, it was said that Iron man caught him when he fell from space, with Thor saying that he would have awoken in time even if Iron Man didn't save him.lol

Yeah that was awesome and judging from the previews Thor is going to fly in space quite a bit in EMH's season 2. t:

 

[Chris M]

Can't believe I'm saying this but I thought it was only okay. Maybe all the positive reviews so far have blown my expectations sky high, but I thought that the film suffered from pacing issues. Of the scarce negative reviews I've read, one critic said that the film is a mess until the last 40 minutes and I would actually agree with that.

The pace is so frenetic and not in a good way, this in turn has a knock on effect on key scenes such as

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Coulson dying. I just didn't feel the emotional punch that this scene should of had and this, in my opinion, is down to poor build up to the moment.

I also didn't think much of the character interaction bar the work between RDJ and Ruffalo, the latter actually stealing the show for me both as Banner and his monstrous counterpart. But even Hulk is effected by the poor pacing, he randomly goes from

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being an uncontrollable monster in one scene to taking orders in another scene, from not being able to distinguish between good and bad in one scene to saving the good guys in another scene. There's no pay off between these scenes to show us Banner learning how to control the monster

All in all, an entertaining 2 hours but no more than a 3/5 IMO. Disappointing as I was so excited to see this film.

Look I tend to agree I felt a little let down - I guess I was expecting more since we all thought there was going to be a surprise villain or enemy not just Loki and a bunch of generic BEMs. So Im probably being a little unfair.

I loved it but it didn't feel like it had a soul - like X2 or Iron Man did. It was lots of action and very even handed character management - but I walked out feeling unsatisfied. Like in attempting to please everyone they didn't fully please anyone.

I guess ensemble films really need a lead character after all. I gave it 4/5. Iron Man was still better in my opinion.

 

[TheFuture]

Look I tend to agree I felt a little let down - I guess I was expecting more since we all thought there was going to be a surprise villain or enemy not just Loki and a bunch of generic BEMs. So Im probably being a little unfair.

I loved it but it didn't feel like it had a soul - like X2 or Iron Man did. It was lots of action and very even handed character management - but I walked out feeling unsatisfied. Like in attempting to please everyone they didn't fully please anyone.

I guess ensemble films really need a lead character after all. I gave it 4/5. Iron Man was still better in my opinion.

That's a good word to describe it. Like even with the scenes that were meant to pack an emotional punch, there was someting lacking and not quite right. As I said in my original post, this is probably down to pacing. I had to double take out the amount Whedon said he left on the cutting room floor, and it all seemed to be related to plot/character development.

 

[Son of Coul]

Oh lord, I couldn't disagree more. The thing I care about the most when walking into movies (especially ones like this) is how much heart and soul it has and The Avengers had it in spades. For something that could be easily seen as a studio cash grab, there was such an earnest feeling about the whole thing.

 

[First Avenger]

Oh lord, I couldn't disagree more. The thing I care about the most when walking into movies (especially ones like this) is how much heart and soul it has and The Avengers had it in spades. For something that could be easily seen as a studio cash grab, there was such an earnest feeling about the whole thing.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[TheFuture]

Oh lord, I couldn't disagree more. The thing I care about the most when walking into movies (especially ones like this) is how much heart and soul it has and The Avengers had it in spades. For something that could be easily seen as a studio cash grab, there was such an earnest feeling about the whole thing.

I assume you're a fan of the Coulson character. So am I, and for me, his [BLACKOUT]death scene did nothing for me. Even a bit cringey with the "now they something to [avenge]" line. Cap barely knew the guy and we didn't even get to see Thor, someone who did know him well, react to his death. I expected to be choked up by that scene and the aftermath but I wasn't.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Son of Coul]

Great points. Also

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Iron Man flew through the wormhole into space/another universe, so having him do it was logical because of his armor's internal pressurization/air supply. It hasn't been established in the MCU whether or not Thor can survive in a vacuum without breathing.

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I think the main thing is that if Thor could grab the missile in time and fly it up there with no problem breathing it'd be a lame-ass victory. When Iron Man did it, I had to remind myself there'd be an IM3 so I could remember he'd be okay. It also wrapped up his arc quite nicely.

Which makes me think,

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When Cap tells Stark that he hasn't put himself in real danger for the protection of others, how kind of sad is that, that he's almost right? In the IM movies, the only time he intentionally puts himself in real "might not get outta this" danger is when he demands Pepper blast the arc reactor.

Oh, and one thing that kind of bugs me:

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What the hell was the point of Favs making Stark a "consultant" anyway? He was all up-in-arms about Marvel putting Stark at the end of TIH, so he only changed the timeline to fit it into IM2's "no man is an island" theme, which is reasonable. But the ending "consultant" part had no real plot bearing on The Avengers. Not a big deal, but it felt kinda silly to pussyfoot around with it for no good reason.

 

[BigThor]

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I think the main thing is that if Thor could grab the missile in time and fly it up there with no problem breathing it'd be a lame-ass victory. When Iron Man did it, I had to remind myself there'd be an IM3 so I could remember he'd be okay. It also wrapped up his arc quite nicely.

That's another reason why I think they choose to have IM do it instead of Thor, for the sake of IM being in more danger.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

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No as in you weren't satisfied or no as in not one hero would have been able to do the job? And thanks again for taking the time to answer.

No as in Whedon knew what he did. Trust me on that.

 

[Son of Coul]

I assume you're a fan of the Coulson character. So am I, and for me, his [BLACKOUT]death scene did nothing for me. Even a bit cringey with the "now they something to [avenge]" line. Cap barely knew the guy and we didn't even get to see Thor, someone who did know him well, react to his death. I expected to be choked up by that scene and the aftermath but I wasn't.[/BLACKOUT]

Actually, I didn't have that in mind tbh haha.

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I thought they played that scene very well though. I'm thinking of things like Cap's opening scene, showing his frustration with where he is, Thor and Loki's first confrontation where Thor sees his brother in his lowly state and begging him to come home, and Stark attempting to call Pepper on his way up to space. All the little things like the Cap/cops scene and "I'm always angry" felt like more than "**** yeah"/funny moments, they were so telling of the characters' internal workings that it pushed those scenes to being that much more memorable for me.

I don't know, I'm all about characters, and this movie just had me invested and cheering for everyone of them. Most of it was through a genuine feeling this movie gave off. Hearing "Maybe what we need is a little old-fashioned," struck a chord with me, because that line sums up the movie so well and aaahh I love it. Sorry this is not a well-thought out post, but it should show how viscerally immersed I personally was haha

 

[Chris M]

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What the hell was the point of Favs making Stark a "consultant" anyway? He was all up-in-arms about Marvel putting Stark at the end of TIH, so he only changed the timeline to fit it into IM2's "no man is an island" theme, which is reasonable. But the ending "consultant" part had no real plot bearing on The Avengers. Not a big deal, but it felt kinda silly to pussyfoot around with it for no good reason.

Actually don't look now, but NONE of the Avengers references in the Marvel films make much sense in hindsight

1.IM - "I wanna talk about the Avengers Initiative" ...that later gets scrapped.
2. Hulk - "Im putting a team together...only Im not.... cause in IM2 Im going to make it clear that I want no part of the Avengers...and besides why am I even telling YOU this? We're never going to see you again!!"
3. IM2 - You're a consultant ....no wait, The Avengers is scrapped, no wait we need you as a foundation member.....

But it was still cool even if it was nonsensical :P

 

[Son of Coul]

Yeah I suppose it was haha. But the speculation on what would come of it just feels so wasted. I think this time Marvel will have its **** together, since it was clear they eventually knew where they were going with how well Thor and TFA tied into it. When IM1 and TIH came out, it was just a general plan they had that turned into something more.

 

[TheFuture]

Actually, I didn't have that in mind tbh haha.

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I thought they played that scene very well though. I'm thinking of things like Cap's opening scene, showing his frustration with where he is, Thor and Loki's first confrontation where Thor sees his brother in his lowly state and begging him to come home, and Stark attempting to call Pepper on his way up to space. All the little things like the Cap/cops scene and "I'm always angry" felt like more than "**** yeah"/funny moments, they were so telling of the characters' internal workings that it pushed those scenes to being that much more memorable for me.

I don't know, I'm all about characters, and this movie just had me invested and cheering for everyone of them. Most of it was through a genuine feeling this movie gave off. Hearing "Maybe what we need is a little old-fashioned," struck a chord with me, because that line sums up the movie so well and aaahh I love it. Sorry this is not a well-thought out post, but it should show how viscerally immersed I personally was haha

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That scene with Thor begging Loki to come home to his family was one of my favourite scenes.

 

[RaZaTrOn]

Fury's Big Week - the canon comic book mini series. Helps explain certain parts of this, like why the World Security Council scraps The Avengers Initiative and Fury's response to their 'stupid ass decision'.

In Iron Man Fury approaches Stark because he is a new hero - an unchecked WMD.
In Iron Man 2 we see Fury's response to this. Which is that Stark is unfit to join the team because he isn't a team player. So they just want his advice, because he's smart!
In TIH (The Consultant), Ross has Abomination in custody, the WSC want Blonsky on The Avengers Initiative (due to military background) however Coulson and Sitwell decide to ruin any chance of this by sending in their Consultant aka Tony Stark to ruin the deal and make Ross outright refuse giving up custody.

So they do make sense, it's just in expanded material.

 

[antonydavanzo]

Saw the film last night at a really great cinema in 3d and IMO was one of the best 3d films since Avitar.
This is up there with the greats (well my greats of Star Wars ESB, Dark Knight) I think when a film is this good its silly to try and compare it to other greats so Im not going to bother.
Its so refreshing to have an even film that lives up to its hype, thats full of action, subtle moments, humour and terror. I could not really fault the film and nor do I want to. Im going to see it in 2d tonight!
My only thought is how the solo films will now stack up going foward, I mean Im really looking foward to Iron Man 3 BUT IMO I would now love to see banner involved OR Rogers to some degree just because of the great dynamic I found they had on screen and I would like to see this in solo movies as well as Avengers.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Seen it again this morning, and it's so damn good. I'll go again but in a week, to digest it, I saw it first wednesday, so only 2 days, and the movie was still fresh in my mind, so there's not the element of surprise.

I reiterate my comments on the movie taking 20 minutes to really get going, which is somethg I read very often and it's true. I do love the scenes in space, looks really good (see it in 2D, it looks impossibly dark in 3D in those scenes for example), but yeah the beginning is slow,

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car chase is well shot but not very exciting, Loki's intro is pretty cool and bad-ass though

I loved the scene in

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India with Banner and Natasha

, but where I do believe that the movie really starts is when they arrive on the Helicarrier, and characters start interacting.

Whedon totally gets his characters and it's really obvious to see how the Ultimates (that I've just read) are a template for the movie, so many of it is inspired by this run, it's crazy.

I wish Whedon would have left the 30 min in, but maybe it had pacing problems, but still, I want to see more of the characters interacting.

What I loved and expected is that Tony/Iron Man is so present in the movie, he has many of the cool moments. Hulk, I always liked Hulk, even though Ang Lee's movie was trash, and I've just rewatched TIH like 5 days ago, and the Hulk in The Avengers just floors me.

I really doubt that we won't be seeing Ruffalo having his own Hulk movie, people went bananas everytime that Hulk showed up on screen. The CGI on him is incredible and I'm a huge technical bit**, it's very consistent, and Ruffalo, an actor that I love, just infuses the character of Banner with such a cool detachment, like peace and love this is not Ruffalo acting, this is Ruffalo being, that's what he does, it looks (and is I think, just see his ITWs or else, he's like that) so natural, and effortless.

I'm not gonna troll by saying this, but it's how I feel. He CRUSHES Bana (who was better than Norton IMO) and Norton, like splatters them on the ground. He owns the role clearly and seeing how EVERYONE loves Hulk here, I can definitely see Marvel doing another movie on him.


What is so great with this phenomenal success of The Avengers at the box office is that now, it will make every character more popular, people will see Hulk, Thor, etc, you can be sure that Thor 2 will be much bigger box office wise and that if they do a Hulk movie, I'm sure it would be much much more successful than the previous endeavors.


This makes me so giddy and excited about the opportunities that it presents. The success of The Avengers WILL benefit every solo movies to come out, and we will see Marvel movies for years and I am LOVING this.

Thor is I think my favorite one (but it's very close with Hulk and Iron Man), and he's very present, has a lot to do, and I totally geeked out.

Cap is not a character that I love like the others, but he really grows on me with The Avengers, Evans has much more to do with the character, and finally, we see him in action against someone else than this lame villain (apologies for those that I will offend ) that is Red Skull.

I was really expecting Hawkeye, because Renner is playing him, he's one of the best actors working today, and I thought the character was bad-ass in the Ultimates. But I was surprised at how present he is, even though, obviously,

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he's under Loki's influence for 30 minutes

, he just kills especially in the gigantic battle, such class, swagger, lovin this!

Black Widow was really cool but I'm naturally more enclined to root for the male protagonists (as a male myself )



For my list of small complaints:

-As I said it, slow to begin, 20 min and then it really takes off.
-The Chitauri, canon fodder indeed, maybe a bit more background on them could have been cool, plus they didn't use at all their

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shape-shifting ability

but that wasn't the point anyway, there is no time to develop this.
-I WANT TO SEE MORE
-I would have wanted a longer Hulk-Thor fight, it's quite short.



I'm planning to see it a third time next week, this is just so so good.

 

[psylockolussus]

It was awesome, I wouldn't call it the best Marvel movie ever (X-Men: First Class is way better than this one), but it was good. The things I didn't like about the movie; I felt some of the interactions felt forced and I felt like the Shield was exaggerating

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with Loki stealing the cube thing

. Like at the beginning, their situation wasn't that bad. But as the movie passed by, it got better than better. The whole battle at New York was amazing. I just love when I saw the 6 of them in the screen together. The six of them all had their moments.

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Plus the special cameo at the end was amazing!!!

More notes:

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-Agent Coulson's death was good but I didn't like when they were all sentimental about it. Like in the previous films, they didn't even care about him.
-I still don't buy Chris Evans as Captain America. He made cringe when he was playing that good guy card again. He is not perfect for the role.
-Black Widow fighting scene with the aliens. I loved that she was the least strongest of the group and yet she got that flying-vehicle scene.
-I like Hawkeye <3 I love at the beginning, he was under Loki's spell and I liked his fight with Black Widow.
-I love the scene where Thor was kicked out of the hellicarrier by Loki.
-The Shield's Helicarrier was stunning.
-Hulk owning Loki's ass <3
-Robert Downey Jr. camera-hogged as expected. Like hello he got the last scene before Thanos' cameo.
-Thanos at the end <3