The Avengers vs X-Men: Days of Future Past

[The.Brotherhood]

The Avengers > X-men Days of Future Past.

DEAL WITH IT!

The former won in all forms of success (Iconic Milestone, Box Office, Brand Credibility, Unprecedented Comicbook Cinematic Universe, Elevated the characters, etc.) while the latter only exist to clean up a lot of mess.


The Avengers is the GIFT that keeps on GIVING.

Sttill in doubt? Got answer for you: 2028.

 

[T"Challa]

The Avengers > X-men Days of Future Past.

DEAL WITH IT!

The former won in all forms of success (Iconic Milestone, Box Office, Brand Credibility, Unprecedented Comicbook Cinematic Universe, Elevated the characters, etc.) while the latter only exist to clean up a lot of mess.


The Avengers is the GIFT that keeps on GIVING.

Sttill in doubt? Got answer for you: 2028.

lolwut

 

[DA_Champion]

Sttill in doubt? Got answer for you: 2028.

Indeed, Marvel says that they expect Fox to keep the X-Men through 2028 and beyond.

 

[DACrowe]

Well I don't disagree with anything you said there other than the part about forgetting about the foregone conclusion. That part didn't work for me. The only time I was at the edge of my seat during that film was in the final Mystique/Magneto/Charles confrontation with the whole world watching. While I knew the future would be undone, I had no idea HOW, and therefore had now idea which way that confrontation was gonna go. So that was a great suspenseful moment. And I enjoyed the movie quite a bit (my favorite X-Men to date), but it definitely wasn't the visceral experience for me that it was for you. The X-Men movies have only ever managed to get me invested in one or two members of their ensembles at a time, so I'm never that into most of the mutant ensemble action. So many of the mutants seem totally disposable to me, like they just exist to show off their powers then disappear.

Weirdly, the Avengers was more visceral and intense for me just because of the adrenaline I was getting from the sheer joy of that final battle (and the helicarrier sequence). I was just so pumped watching these epic comic book splash pages come to life (featuring a full ensemble of characters that I was invested in), that I too was on the edge of my seat...in a totally different way, haha. Which is why I've said before, The Avengers was like a rare, once-in-a-lifetime theater-going experience for me. The moment I walked out, I immediately wanted to turn around and buy another ticket to watch it again (and I totally would have if it wasn't an advance screening, lol). Days of Future Past was a damn good movie, but it was still just a movie to me. I didn't come out with my mind blown or the urge to buy another ticket right then and there. Was it a more effectively dramatic story? Of course, but I've seen plenty of great dramatic stories in my time, some of them even featuring superheroes...but I've rarely experienced anything in a movie theater like The Avengers. *shrugs*

The Avengers was fun for me. I had a smile on my face, but at the risk of getting booed, it didn't give me that "comic book joy" you speak of like Spider-Man 2 did or...(dare I say it), Kick-Ass. It was a great ride, but to me it was more comparable to something like Independence Day: a fun time at the movies.

Different strokes, I guess. I actually was more giddy in 2012's "downer" brooding Dark Knight Rises, but that might because I feel so invested in that world. I like the MCU well enough and appreciate they have made everyone attempt to raise their game. But to date, other than The Avengers, the only film in their canon that holds any rematch value to me is Iron Man. So, maybe that is why I am so indifferent to the awe of seeing these characters together.

 

[DACrowe]

The Avengers > X-men Days of Future Past.

DEAL WITH IT!

The former won in all forms of success (Iconic Milestone, Box Office, Brand Credibility, Unprecedented Comicbook Cinematic Universe, Elevated the characters, etc.) while the latter only exist to clean up a lot of mess.


The Avengers is the GIFT that keeps on GIVING.

Sttill in doubt? Got answer for you: 2028.

This amuses me. I should consider a decade of variation on the same plot two times every year for over a decade a gift?

I kid, I kid. Well, kind of.

 

[metaphysician]

Would you call the rebel pilots and soldiers in Star Wars cardboard cut outs?

Or the resistance fighters in the Terminator movies?

Yes, and yes.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I cried watching DOFP! It was that good!

I never quite got to crying, but I got teary-eyed a good few times during DOFP, such an emotional roller-coaster of a movie.

 

[BoredGuy]

Eh, I enjoyed DOFP, but never felt "emotionally invested" at all

Nothing in that film compared to seeing Jean flame up in X2, and the chills that ran down my spine
Nothing in it compared to seeing Batman and Joker face off in the interrogation room and knowing you were watching two stars at the top of their game
Nothing compared to seeing Tony Stark brought to real full life, his journey and emotions so perfectly embodied by RDJ
Nothing compared to hearing Cap and Peggy say goodbye to one another as Cap sacrificed himself

In fact, the only moment that made me truly 'fanboy happy' in DOFP was when Logan spotted Jean, followed by Scott, and it gave me a small glimmer of hope that an actual X4 could one day happen, and I'd no longer have to suffer through fake period pieces and Lawrence and Hoult's overrated asses.

 

[BlackFox]

Indeed, Marvel says that they expect Fox to keep the X-Men through 2028 and beyond.

Thank goodness for that.

 

[Uncle Radiation]

The Avengers > X-men Days of Future Past.

DEAL WITH IT!

The former won in all forms of success (Iconic Milestone, Box Office, Brand Credibility,

Box office-?

Brand credibility-?

Yes, it made a lot of money, and sold a lot of toys. So do Transformers films. So did the Star Wars prequels.

Neither are indications of a good movie.

Avengers is good because it's funny, it's hugely entertaining, it has lots of great characters brought together. Not because of figures on an accountant's spreadsheet.

 

[BoredGuy]

Indeed, Marvel says that they expect Fox to keep the X-Men through 2028 and beyond.

Well, Hopefully one day Disney splurges and buys them back

If not, I'll just have to hope heaven is real in a 'This-is-the-end' way, and I get to wish for whatever I like. Then I'll finally get to see that Joss Whedon-written and Guillermo Del Toro directed Astonishing X-Men movie (it would still star Patrick Stewart as Xavier, however, with young Michael Biehn as Cyclops and young Glenn Danzig as Wolverine)

lol

 

[Rock Sexton]

People who claim "tears" are super-fans who are invested in these various franchises far beyond that of a normal human being. Has nothing to do with the quality of the film and often superlatives like that are exaggerated.

I myself could never shed a tear for a movie like DOFP because I'm not emotionally vested in the movie's characters like some others. As for suspense, neither movie had it in my opinion. The Avengers wasn't shooting for that and DOFP was fairly blatant in how it unfolded other than Eric being responsible for Mystique's blood becoming available to Trask.

I felt like DOFP tried to be X2 while retconning everything that happened after ........ except X2 did everything better.

 

[Harley2004]

The Avengers > X-men Days of Future Past.

DEAL WITH IT!

The former won in all forms of success (Iconic Milestone, Box Office, Brand Credibility, Unprecedented Comicbook Cinematic Universe, Elevated the characters, etc.) while the latter only exist to clean up a lot of mess.

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Joss Whedon would make a commercial clever, but that is what it was. Compared to X-men, much more superficial. DOFP, will age much better, b/c it is not just about special effects and clever one liners. Real emotion. An emotional well acted movie that had something to say vs a well written Transformers movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Eh, I enjoyed DOFP, but never felt "emotionally invested" at all

Nothing in that film compared to seeing Jean flame up in X2, and the chills that ran down my spine
Nothing in it compared to seeing Batman and Joker face off in the interrogation room and knowing you were watching two stars at the top of their game
Nothing compared to seeing Tony Stark brought to real full life, his journey and emotions so perfectly embodied by RDJ
Nothing compared to hearing Cap and Peggy say goodbye to one another as Cap sacrificed himself

In fact, the only moment that made me truly 'fanboy happy' in DOFP was when Logan spotted Jean, followed by Scott, and it gave me a small glimmer of hope that an actual X4 could one day happen, and I'd no longer have to suffer through fake period pieces and Lawrence and Hoult's overrated asses.

I'd have to agree to disagree, I thought there were a lot of sad and teary-eye inducing moments in DOFP, and it wasnt just because I was invested, it was because the scenes were so well acted and directed. Singer is known for his movies bringing the emotions to the fore, Jack The Giant Slayer was the only movie of his were this wasnt evident, but in general his movies are always an emotional roller coaster and to me DOFP was no different. Thats why I love him as a director and am so glad he is back on the X-movies.

Its also a reason I am currently not to bothered about X-Men staying at Fox (though between 2006-2010 I would have given anything for Marvel to get them back), I just dont think Marvel would hire someone like Bryan Singer to direct one of their movies, or Matthew Vaughn or James Mangold for that matter. If Fox keep churning out X-movies as enjoyable as FC, TW and DOFP have been, let them keep the rights for as long as possible I say.

 

[agentorange]

Joss Whedon would make a commercial clever, but that is what it was. Compared to X-men, much more superficial. DOFP, will age much better, b/c it is not just about special effects and clever one liners. Real emotion. An emotional well acted movie that had something to say vs a well written Transformers movie.

 

[DACrowe]

Also, if people are going to start insulting the First Class flicks for being period pieces...at least they committed to it in each film and didn't treat it like a chore while throwing plot out the window to set up for the next one for the "World War II" film that was scared to use the word Nazis.

Sorry, but I actually really enjoy the period aspect of the more recent mutant films to have come out.

 

[The.Brotherhood]

Again, DEAL WITH IT!


I'm a Magneto fan and a comicbook fan in general, you have your validations to the points that you've layed down and I respect that, that's your opinion BUT the truth is you people saying DOFP will age better, I don't believe that, like a fine wine (best example of aging better) Marvel is the wine.

Wherever you go, when is that generation and whatnot, in the eyes of the comicbook world and general audience, The Avengers > XMen: DOFP, I can't force you people to join me in my case but it is what it is, we're here claiming our piece and the truth is out there, EVEN A BLINDFOLDED, LOCKED UP IN BASEMENT STEVIE WONDER CAN SEE THAT.


I respect the Xmen films (For me First Class is BETTER than DOFP, it revived the franchise and showed some REAL respect to Mags and Chuck, it is the best x-men film! but it's not the 'Xmen' for me, and people says Marvel just do generic films? They diff superheroes films within a context of sub-genres.

If you're talking about being generic and not doing something fresh, tackling Mutants in a span of 14 years in films with the major fact that you have properties (thanks to that 'marvel is going bankrupt in the 90's' contract) that you owned like the shi'ar, non-mutant props, etc. (stories that can evolve the franchise) and your stories goes on with HUMANS HATES MUTANTS HATE HUMANS plot then again enjoy your life till 2028 dealing with the same plot over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.


Thank You.

 

[JP]

There is no "truth". Nothing to "deal with." These are merely opinions.

I respect the Xmen films (For me First Class is BETTER than DOFP, it revived the franchise and showed some REAL respect to Mags and Chuck, it is the best x-men film! but it's not the 'Xmen' for me, and people says Marvel just do generic films? They diff superheroes films within a context of sub-genres.

Gonna have to disagree here. I personally feel like the best CBM's have a sub-genre.

TDK - Crime Drama
First Class - 60's Bond-esque Spy movie
DoFP - Time Travel/Sci-Fi

My problem with most of the MCU is that they completely lack sub genre. Cap2 (political thriller) is the only one that comes to mind… and that happens to be their bets film.

 

[First Avenger]

These vs threads always become a war.

 

[The Endless]

There is no "truth". Nothing to "deal with." These are merely opinions.



Gonna have to disagree here. I personally feel like the best CBM's have a sub-genre.

TDK - Crime Drama
First Class - 60's Bond-esque Spy movie
DoFP - Time Travel/Sci-Fi

My problem with most of the MCU is that they completely lack sub genre. Cap2 (political thriller) is the only one that comes to mind… and that happens to be their bets film.

How do the MCU films lack sub genre?

The Iron Man films are like high tech action comedies. The third one even throws some satire in there.
The First Avenger is a pulpy 50s style action adventure
Thor is like a cross between sci-fi and swords and sandals.
Guardians of the Galaxy will be a space opera.

They are all pretty distinct and diverse. Most of them do follow a similar structure and tone. But each character has it's own sub genre. Soon we'll have Dr Strange to also mix it up even more.

 

[flickchick85]

The Avengers was fun for me. I had a smile on my face, but at the risk of getting booed, it didn't give me that "comic book joy" you speak of like Spider-Man 2 did or...(dare I say it), Kick-Ass. It was a great ride, but to me it was more comparable to something like Independence Day: a fun time at the movies.

Different strokes, I guess. I actually was more giddy in 2012's "downer" brooding Dark Knight Rises, but that might because I feel so invested in that world. I like the MCU well enough and appreciate they have made everyone attempt to raise their game. But to date, other than The Avengers, the only film in their canon that holds any rematch value to me is Iron Man. So, maybe that is why I am so indifferent to the awe of seeing these characters together.

Well, at least we can agree on Kick-Ass. That's one of my favorite CBM's of all-time as well, precisely because it provides that same live-action comic book rush I get from Avengers (albeit on a smaller scale). And also because of certain pair of truly memorable scene-stealers. t:

And while I think this thread seems to be getting more and more petty and pointless, I will say I agree with Endless that the MCU does indeed have sub-genres. In fact, I'd say all the franchises being discussed here do.

 

[JP]

How do the MCU films lack sub genre?

The Iron Man films are like high tech action comedies. The third one even throws some satire in there.
The First Avenger is a pulpy 50s style action adventure
Thor is like a cross between sci-fi and swords and sandals.
Guardians of the Galaxy will be a space opera.

They are all pretty distinct and diverse. Most of them do follow a similar structure and tone. But each character has it's own sub genre. Soon we'll have Dr Strange to also mix it up even more.

GotG seems like the next one with an actual sub-genre. Really looking forward to it.

The rest? Not so much... they all fit the same mold. I like most of them, but they lack something truly unique that makes them stand out, like Cap2.

 

[The Endless]

GotG seems like the next one with an actual sub-genre. Really looking forward to it.

The rest? Not so much... they all fit the same mold. I like most of them, but they lack something truly unique that makes them stand out, like Cap2.

I disagree. I don't see how the Iron Man films are the same as the Thor films. Iron Man 3 is just as unique as The Winter Soldier. It's like Batman Returns in the way it's more a Shane Black movie than a superhero movie. For better or worse.

 

[First Avenger]

I disagree. I don't see how the Iron Man films are the same as the Thor films. Iron Man 3 is just as unique as The Winter Soldier. It's like Batman Returns in the way it's more a Shane Black movie than a superhero movie. For better or worse.

Totally agreed.

 

[Lord]

There is no "truth". Nothing to "deal with." These are merely opinions.



Gonna have to disagree here. I personally feel like the best CBM's have a sub-genre.

TDK - Crime Drama
First Class - 60's Bond-esque Spy movie
DoFP - Time Travel/Sci-Fi

My problem with most of the MCU is that they completely lack sub genre. Cap2 (political thriller) is the only one that comes to mind… and that happens to be their bets film.

I agree with the best superhero films having sub-genres with the exception of Spider-Man 2, and i have to disagree with the other MCU films not having subgenres, Phase II has been all about that, Iron Man 3 was a Shane Black buddy cop movie, and was only better for it, with Thor 2 you could make a case for it being a commedy rom, but so was the first film but Guardians of the Galaxy is going to be a space opera/ tribute to the 80s.

I think they're slowly upping their game since Phase I, where aside from Iron Man 1, all their films felt a little "generic" for me. Probably not the best word, but i simply didn't find any of them to be anything special, Cap had plenty of potential, and a strong first half, yet, it had to rush through that time in order to get to Avengers and the Man out of time stories.