The Avengers vs X-Men: Days of Future Past

[Thurgood42]

Avengers and its not that close. Only Dark Knight is a better superhero film than Avengers. Days of Future Past was great but I liked Captain America 2 better.

 

[First Avenger]

The franchise overall really gets these characters. Pretty amazing how well.

That's why it is my favourite SH franchise.

 

[psylockolussus]

For me personally, I found that downturn in the fight to be ineffective. The mood was way too cheery and bright and hopeful, so when the Chitauri all ganged up on Hulk to pin him down, I understood what the film was trying to communicate, but part of me just rolled my eyes. We've seen what the Hulk is, what he can do. He's not pinned down for any serious amount of time. The worst case scenario at that point is Hulk and Thor defeating the entire Chitauri army on their own one by one.

I still enjoyed it, because the fight needed a downturn, but I felt absolutely no tension and desperation, it was just a nice rest from the Avengers unilaterally wrecking shop.

Agreed!

 

[The Endless]

Yes but at least Hulk/Banner and Thor are actual characters... not cardboard cut outs who we are presumed to care about simply because they are named characters from the comics

 

[kasjan]

DOFP has much better plot.
The scene when Ironman destroyed mothership and took off all aliens at Earth was ridiculous. They were robots or beings?

 

[Rock Sexton]

DOFP has much better plot.
The scene when Ironman destroyed mothership and took off all aliens at Earth was ridiculous. They were robots or beings?

Clearly bio-mechanical. What is so ridiculous about that?

 

[CB Fan]

Yes but at least Hulk/Banner and Thor are actual characters... not cardboard cut outs who we are presumed to care about simply because they are named characters from the comics

As a big X-Men film I have to agree many of the characters who aren't Prof. X, Magneto, Jean, or Wolverine are not the same characters (personality wise) they are in the comics, and that wouldn't be a huge problem if they weren't so damn bland.

 

[The Endless]

Yea, the ending when all the mutants in the future were getting killed off was viscerally shocking. It really was brutal.

But emotionally? Not really. I don't care if Storm dies. I don't care if Warpath dies. I don't care if Colossus dies.

 

[psylockolussus]

I cared when they died. and I've seen a LOT of posters said Storm's death was executed well and their theater had a big gasp when it happened. Well during my 2nd viewing, the girl that I was sitting next to, was really shocked when Storm was stabbed and I heard her reaction.

Obviously most people didn't care about Warpath and even Colossus. But like as if that hurt the film, no right. And no need to compare Warpath and Colossus to Thor/Hulk who got their own movie.

 

[The Endless]

Of course you cared.

 

[psylockolussus]

Of course I did! I love Storm!

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Obviously most people didn't care about Warpath and even Colossus. But like as if that hurt the film, no right. And no need to compare Warpath and Colossus to Thor/Hulk who got their own movie.

The fact that Warpath and Colossus are inconsequential to their movie is the point. And even if you haven't seen the Thor and Hulk movies, The Avengers easily gets across the two as nuanced characters.

 

[SuperT]

I would hardly call Thor a nuanced character as he's been written thus far. He's probably my least favorite character in the MCU only because he's so dull and uninteresting. I feel like in his two movies every other character has been far more interesting and appealing than him.

Now Bruce Banner/Hulk - that's a perfectly nuanced character and Ruffalo is awesome in the role.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Thor, Hawkeye, and Black Widow were not nuanced characters. Only Cap, Iron Man, and Hulk are.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Thor and Black Widow in the Avengers are distinct characters with their own personalities and motivations. Even Hawkeye had something despite being marginalized. The only one who got the X-Men character treatment would probably be Maria Hill.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Thor, Hawkeye, and Black Widow were not nuanced characters. Only Cap, Iron Man, and Hulk are.

 

[flickchick85]

They were still more fleshed out than Storm, Beast and all the other mutants that weren't Xavier, Magneto, Mystique and Wolverine.

 

[jaymes_e06]

In X-Men's defence there were like 7 main cast members for Avengers with a clear plan for each of them already in place from previous films. X-Men has never been afforded that opportunity. They always were lucky to get to the next film so they had to kind of wing it each time so they did some repetition as to what worked for the last film.

 

[PunyGod]

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[psylockolussus]

In X-Men's defence there were like 7 main cast members for Avengers with a clear plan for each of them already in place from previous films. X-Men has never been afforded that opportunity. They always were lucky to get to the next film so they had to kind of wing it each time so they did some repetition as to what worked for the last film.

Agreed.

And despite Days of Future Past "only giving importance" to 4 characters or what, it still ended up as a great film.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

For me, Avengers was more fun on first watch, but now I find it tough to get through. The story, like Whedon himself said, is just too 'haphazard'. It takes a while to get going, the story never really grabs me, and certain plots/themes go nowhere. Most of all, I just can't stand a lot of the cutesy dialogue. Makes me nauseous.

First viewing: 9.5/10
Now: 6/10

DOFP didn't blow me away on first watch, but it sunk its teeth in me, and I've re-watched it more times than I thought I would, each time enjoying it just as much. The tone, plot, and pacing is a big part of this.

8/10

 

[PunyGod]

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[CyclopsWasRight]

DOFP has much better plot.
The scene when Ironman destroyed mothership and took off all aliens at Earth was ridiculous. They were robots or beings?

Both and neither. Don't think the writers really cared they were just their to give the avengers something to fight.

For me, Avengers was more fun on first watch, but now I find it tough to get through. The story, like Whedon himself said, is just too 'haphazard'. It takes a while to get going, the story never really grabs me, and certain plots/themes go nowhere. Most of all, I just can't stand a lot of the cutesy dialogue. Makes me nauseous.

First viewing: 9.5/10
Now: 6/10

DOFP didn't blow me away on first watch, but it sunk its teeth in me, and I've re-watched it more times than I thought I would, each time enjoying it just as much. The tone, plot, and pacing is a big part of this.

8/10

Agreed.

 

[DA_Champion]

Are there any Vietnamese characters in the DoFP other than the moron who's only priority is having sex with Mystique? Are there any Vietnamese characters decently portrayed, in a 1970s period film where the Vietnam war is an allegory to the main character arc?

 

[psylockolussus]

Are there any Vietnamese characters in the DoFP other than the moron who's only priority is having sex with Mystique?

I think he was talking to his fellow Vietnamese soldier before he met Mystique. And I think there were also a couple of Vietnamese in the board room scene.