Arrow The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 1

[Bathead]

I think that is inspired by his look in Injustice. I'd be fine with it to be honest since I'm already accustomed to seeing the style in video games.

Really? I've never really seen it brought up. It's just kinda...there like Barry's blonde hair or Bruce's blue eyes.

No.
That's horrible.
As I said earlier Flash doesn't need armor, his speed is his armor. Giving him armor would be pointless. That design just isn't right for the Flash.

 

[Sawyer]

That top design is straight up awful looking. Even looking past practicality and whether or not it makes sense, it just looks like ****.

 

[Bathead]

Good cartoons rarely last nowadays.

Yeah, I was extremely disappointed in what they did to Beware the Batman. I was really getting into that show. They took a number of Batman's B list foes and actually made them interesting, and it didn't even allow it to finish out the 1st season.

 

[Bathead]

That top design is straight up awful looking. Even looking past practicality and whether or not it makes sense, it just looks like ****.

Yeah, for the Flash that design is entirely unpractical (impractical?). It's perfectly fine for a video game, but wholly nonsensical for a live action movie or TV show.

 

[Savage]

No.
That's horrible.
As I said earlier Flash doesn't need armor, his speed is his armor. Giving him armor would be pointless. That design just isn't right for the Flash.

That top design is straight up awful looking. Even looking past practicality and whether or not it makes sense, it just looks like ****.

While I agree, I'm just pointing out that it's not unprecedented. I'd prefer the classic look but I'll certainly take these over something like a hooded costume with sunglasses.

 

[Nathan]

Within the contents of that scene i think it is appropriate. It is WWIII in that scene against supervillains who many are stronger in power level.

Actually, it's not even appropriate in that context. How many giant battles did the JLA fight? How many of those crazy cross-over Crisis took place in the comics? How often did Flash wear protective armor in those battles? Like everyone said, the speed force is his armor. Anything he's too slow to dodge, would probably be too strong to literally smash his armor anyway. He fought a white Martian one on one, which are all basically on Superman's level. He did not need armor.

 

[Boy Scout]

Within the contents of that scene i think it is appropriate. It is WWIII in that scene against supervillains who many are stronger in power level.

I said they were inappropriate in general.

So at what point do you decide something doesn't make up a character or not? Obviously how he looks isn't important in your opinion - so what else do you determine is unimportant to a character?

Depends on the character.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

DCUO armored Flash is better looking IMO compared to Injustice

Yeah, but the Injustice suits are some of the absolute worst designs I've ever seen, almost all of them are horribly over designed and impractical, so being better than them isn't much of an achievement.

 

[Paradox1]

Actually, it's not even appropriate in that context. How many giant battles did the JLA fight? How many of those crazy cross-over Crisis took place in the comics? How often did Flash wear protective armor in those battles? Like everyone said, the speed force is his armor. Anything he's too slow to dodge, would probably be too strong to literally smash his armor anyway. He fought a white Martian one on one, which are all basically on Superman's level. He did not need armor.

We all know comic books don't always make the best of sense. The speed force gives like a force field when he is moving I get that. In fact the speed force works a lot like a warp field bubble.

However an object in motion stays in motion untill l it's hit with a outside force. That is Newtons first law of physics. Flash running over a mine or a grenade being tossed in his area will affect him as much as anyone else even greater actually cause he'd be traveling at such highspeeds. The shock of such an event in real life would be fatal without question.

I understand though you have to suspend your disbelief in such things. So in closing it is just extremely more practical for Flash in a war zone to wear armor. Just cause you so it in a comic book doesn't really mean it makes sense.

 

[Boy Scout]

I wouldn't mind him wearing light armor just in case, but generally speaking, he's fast enough to avoid grenades and the like.

 

[Kevin Smith]

No to armor. Irrelevant regardless of situation for super powered Flash. Depowered I could get a little, but Flash at full? No. Not at all.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Kinda looks like Gustin, doesn't it?

 

[Nathan]

I understand though you have to suspend your disbelief in such things. So in closing it is just extremely more practical for Flash in a war zone to wear armor.

No it's not. He relies on his speed. He can practically dodge and vibrate through anything you throw at him. And the opponents he fights, are usually so strong that any armor he would wear, would be rendered useless anyway.

Any armor he would wear, should barely weigh anything, and preferably not even look like armor. Like the Iron Spider Armor. Which is skin tight armor that can stop small fire arms. Oh, and let's not forget Flash also possesses an accelerated healing factor. So he can take a punch better than most.

 

[Siby]

Is the Speed Force the reason the Flash doesn't have to eat tens or hundreds of thousands of calories per day?

 

[Paradox1]

No it's not. He relies on his speed. He can practically dodge and vibrate through anything you throw at him. And the opponents he fights, are usually so strong that any armor he would wear, would be rendered useless anyway.

Any armor he would wear, should barely weigh anything, and preferably not even look like armor. Like the Iron Spider Armor. Which is skin tight armor that can stop small fire arms. Oh, and let's not forget Flash also possesses an accelerated healing factor. So he can take a punch better than most.

I could continue to go on about logical science stuff like the pull of gravity inside a warp bubble is lowered. So any armor he wears becomes lighter with the same resistance. However you'd counter with quasi comic book science. So let's just say I give up and Flash no matter the situation is perfectly fine in a single costume that will protect him from every variable he may come up against in the world. Land mines, explosive devices who cares, he's so fast he will out run the blast radius. The shrapnel from an explosion will only sideline him for a little while.If his legs gets blown off it will grow back right?

 

[Savage]

Is the Speed Force the reason the Flash doesn't have to eat tens or hundreds of thousands of calories per day?

Yup. The speed force pretty much excuses everything. I feel like the only reason the Flashes even eat so much is because they love food.

 

[Boy Scout]

I don't really care for the Speed Force.

 

[The Guard]

I like the speed force, but not its use as a cure-all.

 

[Paradox1]

I feel the same way the speed force is pretty much the exclamation for everything Flash that is beyond the realm of believability. I like it as a concept but not how it is used currently. I hope if it's touched upon on the show they ground it down into some believe able terms.

 

[Boy Scout]

Personally, I always thought it was kind of lame. Why can't the Flash just be fast? Why does there need to be a Speed Force? Is there a Strength Force? A Freeze Breath Force?

 

[Kevin Smith]

Kinda looks like Gustin, doesn't it?

I can see it. Haha. And say what you will, hell, I don't care what anyone says - I love the Bruce Timm style art/animation.

Glorious images. Look how sleek he looks there, rim lit with the gold and shiney streak going through the ear pieces/gold/"yellow" areas indicate a metallic-ness, THAT is The Flash to me. Even though I always disliked that they changed the sign, it only bothers me when I pay attention to it, it's not so noticeable when he's moving around, etc. I could do with or without the white eyes but the white eyes look good in animation here and are clearly like Batman's eyes - i.e., NOT a part of his mask like Spider-Man's (the fact that they move when he blinks, disappear when he shuts his eyes, squint, and move whenever he shows emotion should be enough to indicate how obvious it is that they are supposed to represent his real eyes and not opaque lenses or one way plexi-glass or whatever that cover them like Spider-Man's (this observation goes for Batman too - the "white eyes" are not part of the mask but are supposed to represent his real eyes - it just looks cooler to draw them that way))).

 

[Kevin Smith]

I feel the same way the speed force is pretty much the exclamation for everything Flash that is beyond the realm of believability. I like it as a concept but not how it is used currently. I hope if it's touched upon on the show they ground it down into some believe able terms.

Personally, I always thought it was kind of lame. Why can't the Flash just be fast? Why does there need to be a Speed Force? Is there a Strength Force? A Freeze Breath Force?

I like the speed force, but not its use as a cure-all.

I agree with all these statements, however MANY of the explanations for how The Flash does things and how his powers work (such as the protective aura, etc) existed looooong before Mark Waid introduced the Speed Force concept as the Deus Ex Machina for any Flash story in the 90s. The concept was actually only introduced as a way for the writer (namely Waid) to have Wally "one up" Barry as whoever was headlining the current book needed to be the most "superior" Flash, and since Wally on his own Post Crisis and until the mid 90s supposedly could only run at about 700 mph to be kept more "believable", DC needed to change that because that was a very, very far cry from how powerful the Barry Allen Flash was written throughout his career for 30 years pre crisis, but unlike Wally and the Speed Force concept, everything Barry did in those stories he did with his brain and his feats were explained through some demonstration of science, while the Speed Force concept is more comparable to "magic" as no one really has any psuedo-scientific explanation for it.

Anyway, since the mid 90s the Speed Force has been used to make just about anyone who has headlined the Flash book as the "main Flash" the "most powerful"; Wally in the mid-late 90s, Bart when he was Flash for a little bit, and finally Barry Allen back in '08. I think it is a gimmicky, somewhat "lazy", easy writing ploy myself and never cared for it much but I do believe it could work well if done right and can have a proper place in a Flash story depending on how they use it (like I liked the usage it got in Flash: Rebirth, I though Geoff Johns used it in a way that accentuated a lot of things about The Flash(es) and made sense of some things that didn't really make sense before, that to me is a good example of how it can be used).

 

[Boy Scout]

Eh. I'd rather the Flash just be really fast. The Speed Force was an unnecessary invention IMO. I'm sure it can be used well, but my preference is for it to just not be a thing. However, that's not my decision to make.

 

[Rorschach2012]

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This is so awesome

 

[Brian Braddock]

I agree with all these statements, however MANY of the explanations for how The Flash does things and how his powers work (such as the protective aura, etc) existed looooong before Mark Waid introduced the Speed Force concept as the Deus Ex Machina for any Flash story in the 90s. The concept was actually only introduced as a way for the writer (namely Waid) to have Wally "one up" Barry as whoever was headlining the current book needed to be the most "superior" Flash, and since Wally on his own Post Crisis and until the mid 90s supposedly could only run at about 700 mph to be kept more "believable", DC needed to change that because that was a very, very far cry from how powerful the Barry Allen Flash was written throughout his career for 30 years pre crisis, but unlike Wally and the Speed Force concept, everything Barry did in those stories he did with his brain and his feats were explained through some demonstration of science, while the Speed Force concept is more comparable to "magic" as no one really has any psuedo-scientific explanation for it.

Anyway, since the mid 90s the Speed Force has been used to make just about anyone who has headlined the Flash book as the "main Flash" the "most powerful"; Wally in the mid-late 90s, Bart when he was Flash for a little bit, and finally Barry Allen back in '08. I think it is a gimmicky, somewhat "lazy", easy writing ploy myself and never cared for it much but I do believe it could work well if done right and can have a proper place in a Flash story depending on how they use it (like I liked the usage it got in Flash: Rebirth, I though Geoff Johns used it in a way that accentuated a lot of things about The Flash(es) and made sense of some things that didn't really make sense before, that to me is a good example of how it can be used).

Strange, my recollection of why Wally wasnt as fast as Barry was his mental block/subconscious speed restriction that he unknowingly placed upon himself, brought about by his fear of replacing Barry and eventually becoming a better Flash. I didnt think it was actually anything to do with the Speed Force [in fact, I dont even think Waid had featured it yet at that point] - did he then introduce the Speed Force and claim it was all down to that? I havent read Flash for a while.