Arrow The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 1

[Kevin Smith]

I think they should take Trickster in a different direction. Having Trickster characterized the same as the 90's version is outdated and lazy. Also it was like a poor man's version of the Jack Nicholson's Joker. Don't get me wrong, it was perfect for the show, but I wouldn't want to see that character again after TDK, MOS and Arrow. No more of that silliness. Please!

My idea for Trickster would be a sort of evil version of James Bond. With all his high tech gadgets doing all sorts of evil things. Kidnapping, assassinations, blackmail etc. Using tech to counter the Flash's speed.

Just update everything. Even if their powers are fantastic, just give it a semi-plausible explanation (Speed Force anyone?)

What's so plausible about the Speed deus ex machina Force to you? Just curious... In some versions, I always found it to be one of the more far fetched elements of The Flash - all the "mystical" stuff the way it was originally written in the 90s kind of dilutes the "scientific" aspect of the character to me in a way (it's all fake and no way possible, I know that, but things like Flash Facts provided little examples of how things that sounded similar were possible or happened within nature or science, which grounded the character in "reality" somewhat, IMO - just my two cents on all that, Speed Force came off as an excuse for lazy writing in some days to me with how it was handled sometimes).

 

[erehwon0]

What's so plausible about the Speed deus ex machina Force to you? Just curious... In some versions, I always found it to be one of the more far fetched elements of The Flash - all the "mystical" stuff the way it was originally written in the 90s kind of dilutes the "scientific" aspect of the character to me in a way (it's all fake and no way possible, I know that, but things like The Flash Facts provided little examples if how things that sounded similar were possible or happened within nature or science, which grounded the character in "reality" somewhat, IMO - just my two cents on all that, Speed Force came off as an excuse for lazy writing in some days to me with how it was handled sometimes).

I really bought into that concept probably because I hated the idea of the Flash having to digest insane quantities of food in order to run as fast as he did. That did not sit well with me. It's also a dead giveaway to his identity.

Also if your metabolism is fast, shouldn't you age a lot faster than a normal person? The Speed Force pretty much answers these questions fairly neatly.
So if it's lazy writing for you, I pretty much can't argue with your opinion. I sort of think its appropriate.t:

 

[Savage]

They better not kill the Rogues with reckless abandon the way they do in Arrow.

I'm still getting over Firefly and Drakon.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I really bought into that concept probably because I hated the idea of the Flash having to digest insane quantities of food in order to run as fast as he did. That did not sit well with me. It's also a dead giveaway to his identity.

Also if your metabolism is fast, shouldn't you age a lot faster than a normal person? The Speed Force pretty much answers these questions fairly neatly.
So if it's lazy writing for you, I pretty much can't argue with your opinion. I sort of think its appropriate.t:

Ah yeah I almost forgot about that super eating fast metabolism silliness. They introduced that as a gimmick, and at the time Wally's identity was publicly known (it was for most of his career as Flash in the comics) so that wouldn't really matter anyway...The Speed Force does cover a lot of that...but I guess I was thinking of the classic iteration of Flash, where he doesn't have to eat a **** ton to maintain his super speed and is just fast because of his powers....before they introduced the Speed Force concept and also the metabolism thing. Things like why Barry's bones didn't break because of the speeds he ran or skin burn up, etc, were explained by the protective aura around his body his powers gave him. Maybe I liked that better because it was more self contained....idk, lol.

 

[Paradox1]

Ah yeah I almost forgot about that super eating fast metabolism silliness. They introduced that as a gimmick, and at the time Wally's identity was publicly known (it was for most of his career as Flash in the comics) so that wouldn't really matter anyway...The Speed Force does cover a lot of that...but I guess I was thinking of the classic iteration of Flash, where he doesn't have to eat a **** ton to maintain his super speed and is just fast because of his powers....before they introduced the Speed Force concept and also the metabolism thing. Things like why Barry's bones didn't break because of the speeds he ran or skin burn up, etc, were explained by the protective aura around his body his powers gave him. Maybe I liked that better because it was more self contained....idk, lol.

I liked the idea of the speed force when it was just directly related to that aura. It just made more sense because protective auras require some energy to create. When it became the reason for this and that it just started to get out of hand. Much like Green lanterns power ring and the emotional spectrum or the force in Star Wars. Just way too much over explanation of a concept that is best utilized when its wrapped in a mystery that should never be solved.

 

[Boy Scout]

They better not kill the Rogues with reckless abandon the way they do in Arrow.

I could see them doing that, but having the villain identities being picked up by other criminals. Like a revolving door of secret identities. That way, if we don't like one version of Captain Cold, we could easily get another one.

I would be okay with it if it was done right, but I can understand why some folks wouldn't be okay with that.

 

[Herolee10]

So apparently it's being reported that Felicity will leave for Central City to check up on Barry after his accident, possibly for next week's episode.

If that's the case, I wonder if we'll see Felicity appear on the first episode of the Flash series, assuming of course if the series covers the events directly after Barry was hit, ala him waking up in a hospital as one of his introductory scenes.

 

[Charlatan]

Have they shot the pilot for the Flash yet?

 

[HighFivingMF]

Have they shot the pilot for the Flash yet?

Nope. We'd know the cast if they had. It starts shooting in March.

 

[Human Torch]

I could see them doing that, but having the villain identities being picked up by other criminals. Like a revolving door of secret identities. That way, if we don't like one version of Captain Cold, we could easily get another one.

I would be okay with it if it was done right, but I can understand why some folks wouldn't be okay with that.

Yeah....I'd hate that.

I guess it wouldn't be a big problem for two reasons.

First,I don't think Barry has the screwed up "kill or be killed" experiences Ollie had.He comes across as the "old school" kind of hero I'm looking forward to.

and second,I don't think the Flash's rogues are bloodthirsty killers by and large.So I don't think he'll have as much motivation to kill them.

 

[Boy Scout]

Yeah....I'd hate that.

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First,I don't think Barry has the screwed up "kill or be killed" experiences Ollie had.He comes across as the "old school" kind of hero I'm looking forward to.

and second,I don't think the Flash's rogues are bloodthirsty killers by and large.So I don't think he'll have as much motivation to kill them.

He doesn't have to kill them. They can either die by their own hand or be incarcerated. Hell, they could even retire and pass along the identity willingly.

 

[Nathan]

I was dreaming that I saw 2 screen shots of Flash's costume. I think it looked good, with exception of the neck that seemed too wide. And I wasn't the only one complaining about that. We also got a glimpse of what seemed to be Aquaman's shoulder, and Batman with a costume that seemed to be based on Norm Breyfogle's art.

 

[Charlatan]

Nope. We'd know the cast if they had. It starts shooting in March.

and he's not due to be in any more Arrow episodes this season? That's a long time to wait

 

[Herolee10]

Well according to the clip from next week's episode, Barry is apparently in a "coma" as a result of his "accident".

 

[Sawyer]

Arrow Promo Shoot:

Spoiler

 

[Paradox1]

looking at those promo pics I keep thinking that guy could be Peter Parker.

 

[Boy Scout]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Garfield and Gustin could be brothers.

 

[Frico]

 

[Pepsiguy2]

Also it was like a poor man's version of the Jack Nicholson's Joker.

but Jack Nicholson's joker was just a poor man's version of Jack Nicholson trying to act.

 

[Paradox1]

but Jack Nicholson's joker was just a poor man's version of Jack Nicholson trying to act.

Do you really believe Jack Nicholson can't act or are you bsing right now? I'm not a Jack fan but I subscribe to the idea that he's an above average actor. So I'm a little confused where that statement is coming from.

 

[erehwon0]

but Jack Nicholson's joker was just a poor man's version of Jack Nicholson trying to act.

Yeah sometimes the guy seems to be just phoning in his performances, but then he does something like "About Schmidt" and you get why.

Thing is most of his performances are "Jack Nicholson" playing a character. Unlike great actors who play the character.

We're going off topic.t:

 

[Maximus One]

I alway hated Jack's Joker for that reason. He's not Joker to me. He's Jack acting like Jack

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I alway hated Jack's Joker for that reason. He's not Joker to me. He's Jack acting like Jack

His casting always seemed like a kinda boring choice to me, I don't hate it, but I think Burton could've cast the movie better with the two leads.
As for Trickster, I think he should be played entirely as a joke, if any of Flash's rogues shouldn't be an actual threat it's him. save the genuinely threatening aspect for characters like Thawne. I think Trickster is the kind of villain they should use to lighten things up a bit after having a dark/depressing episode.

 

[Human Torch]

but Jack Nicholson's joker was just a poor man's version of Jack Nicholson trying to act.

I'd add "Jack Nicholson's joker was just a poor man's version of Jack Nicholson trying to act like the joker."

 

[erehwon0]

Also, I hope they don't have the Flash do all night superheroics. That's Batman's thing. Arrow is closely following that. But I hope this changes with the mask.

I can understand why. It's easier to hide imperfactions with the costume in night shots AND costume look less ridiculous in the dark than in the daylight. But with superspeed, which will require a lot of CG, I am hoping more superheroics in the daytime!

Fingers crossed!