Arrow The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 1

[Boy Scout]

Now I really want a scene where Captain Cold, who's just been dubbed that by the Flash in the news, enters the bar and everyone inside raises their glasses and shout "Eeeyyy!!! Captain!!!". And he just yells "Shut up!".

That would be hilarious!

 

[Rorschach2012]

Timmverse>YJ.....

 

[Sawyer]

Timmverse>YJ.....

Maybe so. But I'd hardly call it childish to the point of being bad. I reserve those kinds of comments for shows like Ultimate Spider-Man or Agents of SMASH.

 

[Rorschach2012]

IGN: What We Want From The Flash TV Series



Gotta agree with this.

I agreed with all of it too. Fantastic read

 

[Rorschach2012]

Maybe so. But I'd hardly call it childish to the point of being bad. I reserve those kinds of comments for shows like Ultimate Spider-Man or Agents of SMASH.

I don't think it's bad. I was able to enjoy certain episodes. But imo it would've benefitted from a bit more maturity, maybe if it was aimed more at teenagers. But alas, it's cartoon network, I wasn't expecting that.

It IS a kid's show after all, so I shouldn't hold that against it. A lot of cartoon series are able to be great even with the childish restrictions. I take my original statement back, the main thing holding YJ back was the storyline.

I really just want Bruce Timm to work on a Teen Titans show based on the classic New Teen Titans storyline, Young Justice, and Geoff Johns' Teen Titans run..

Anyways, I'm getting this thread off topic.

I wonder when we'll get an official, definitive, discussion-ending statement that says whether or not Arrow and Flash are connected to MOS. We've gotten some statements on it, but they're too vague. They lead me to believe WB is still deciding what to do

 

[Boy Scout]

Timmverse>YJ.....

That's hardly fair. You're comparing an entire animated universe to a series that lasted two seasons.

 

[Rorschach2012]

That's hardly fair. You're comparing an entire animated universe to a series that lasted two seasons.

Okay. STAS>YJ, BTAS>YJ, Batman Beyond>YJ, JL/JLU>YJ, Zeta Project<YJ

 

[Kevin Smith]

Okay. STAS>YJ, BTAS>YJ, Batman Beyond>YJ, JL/JLU>YJ, Zeta Project<YJ

While I liked YJ and felt like it got one or two things right JL/JLU didn't or missed, I agree 100%, nothing that's come since the Timmiverse is anywhere even close to how great those shows were.

 

[Rorschach2012]

While I liked YJ and felt like it got one or two things right JL/JLU didn't or missed, I agree 100%, nothing that's come since the Timmiverse is anywhere even close to how great those shows were.

Yeah seriously dude. I find it hard to believe that it's impossible to top the Timmverse. I guess it'll just take time. I'm hoping that after BvS, we'll get a new animated universe that's on par with the Timmverse.

Really, the Timmverse model was pretty solid. Solo Batman and Superman series' covering their careers in their prime, also retelling their origins. then they're perfectly set up for JL. Basically, a reimagined Timmverse model sounds good to me. New animation, new voices, new spin on classic stories and clashes. Bring it on. Beware the Batman failed because it tried to be too different. 2010-ize BTAS and STAS and theres two hit series.

I don't think anyone would be pissed about a new take on Batman's first fight with Joker or Superman's first fight with Luthor

 

[Boy Scout]

Okay. STAS>YJ

No.

BTAS>YJ

Maybe.

Batman Beyond>YJ

I seriously doubt it.

JL/JLU>YJ

This one make sense.

Zeta Project<YJ

I've never even seen that, so I don't know.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Whatev. Opinions. I think YJ is overhyped because it was the best DC animated series we've gotten since JLU. People think it's greater than it really was because there was nothing else.

 

[Boy Scout]

I disagree, but it's not worth arguing about.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Yeah seriously dude. I find it hard to believe that it's impossible to top the Timmverse. I guess it'll just take time. I'm hoping that after BvS, we'll get a new animated universe that's on par with the Timmverse.

Really, the Timmverse model was pretty solid. Solo Batman and Superman series' covering their careers in their prime, also retelling their origins. then they're perfectly set up for JL. Basically, a reimagined Timmverse model sounds good to me. New animation, new voices, new spin on classic stories and clashes. Bring it on. Beware the Batman failed because it tried to be too different. 2010-ize BTAS and STAS and theres two hit series.

I don't think anyone would be pissed about a new take on Batman's first fight with Joker or Superman's first fight with Luthor

Superman: TAS was fantastic and Batman: TAS was excellent. The only way YJ exceeds any of those shows is in quality of animation - not animation style, but just animation quality, and that is, of course, only thanks to 15 + years of animation technology under its belt - however, I will say both Batman & Superman: TAS are still, to this day, excellently animated shows and I feel the animations had more of a weight to them than a lot of the stuff that followed and seemed less...processed for lack of a better word.

Superman: TAS and Batman: TAS will always be MY Superman and Batman, my favorite versions of them, and the definitive versions of them as far as I am concerned.

Whatev. Opinions. I think YJ is overhyped because it was the best DC animated series we've gotten since JLU. People think it's greater than it really was because there was nothing else.

I agree with this completely. I loved The Flash family stuff but that was about the only thing I really dug about it if I'm being honest. Still would have welcomed more episodes but it was SO incredibly soap operaic compared to JL/JLU. JL/JLU (and Superman & Batman: TAS) was consistently entertaining and you cared about all the characters and they all had great chemistry with each other, even the expanded lineup. Young Justice really lagged and dragged a bit in areas where the Timmiverse shows never did and it shouldn't have, or had the potential to not lag or drag at least.

JL/JLU (and both Superman and Batman: TAS for that matter) were both rarities because they focused on primarily adults with almost no supporting teen/kid characters, and were popular and really well made, a lot of these head honcho people only want shows about younger characters for younger viewers to identify with, well JL/JLU was awesome and people of all ages watched it and were inspired by it and dug the characters, regardless of their ages. Stuff like YJ, while the original 7 did make appearances, kind of pandered to that whole "show must be about or feature primarily teen/youth protagonists", when just about any fan could tell you they'd have rather seen a show about the REAL JLA instead of just their teeny boppers.

Now I loved teen Titans, and I'd love to see more Teen Titans shows, one done similar to YJ or the Timmiverse would be awesome, but I have a feeling it will be a longtime before we see any show based off of adult superheroes, sadly, since that's just how networks are (mentioning crap like those Marvel shows does not count because of their immense suck).

Beware The Batman sucked too. Everything about it sucked, IMO, especially machine gun toting ex-secret agent Alfred, and I'm glad it's being canceled. Also hated that costume they gave him and that stupid way they'd draw his head - like a damn triangle or the front of the 50s batmobile. Complete and utter *****. Not to mention how numbingly BORING it was, and that it tried to go the whole "young, hip Bruce Wayne" route again, where they take the adult hero and make them as young as they possibly can (like The Batman, which was ok, but wasn't really anything good until its 3rd and 4rth (or 4rth and 5th?) seasons I believe). (I'd have rather seen that Superman and Batman show they'd talked about but thought was "too dark")

Also, that GL show was terrible too. Excessively boring and awful stories. Poor characterization with no development to them about characters nobody cared about. For years I wanted to see a CGI done show like that but the show was terrible. I still think that animation could work but good God make the show all around better, I seriously didn't care about anything that happened in those shows, give it some weight and emotional depth, give it interesting characters and strong characterizations like Batman: TAS and Superman: TAS had. Both Beware The Batman and the Green Lantern shows are perfect examples of how horrifically generic (and typical) all the Timmiverse shows could have been and what we're thankful to God they weren't like.

Seriously, DC needs to get its **** together with animation again. Since they are so set on doing kiddie shows, they really ought to look into adapting Yale Stewart's Little Leaguers thing...that'd be awesome. I don't mind stuff like Tiny Titans to keep around for the real young kids, either, but I want to see more shows like JL/JLU in addition to them.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Agreed with everything you're saying Kevin Smith. but DC doesn't really need to get their animation department together. They're kicking ass with those DTV's they keep releasing. I've enjoyed to loved all of them.

They do need to get their animation on tv together. they've got such great teams working on the dtv's, how hard would it be to get some of those guys on a JL or Superman or Batman show?

A Batman show similar in tone to Batman: Under the Red Hood would blow my mind

 

[Kevin Smith]

Yeah seriously dude. I find it hard to believe that it's impossible to top the Timmverse. I guess it'll just take time. I'm hoping that after BvS, we'll get a new animated universe that's on par with the Timmverse.

Really, the Timmverse model was pretty solid. Solo Batman and Superman series' covering their careers in their prime, also retelling their origins. then they're perfectly set up for JL. Basically, a reimagined Timmverse model sounds good to me. New animation, new voices, new spin on classic stories and clashes. Bring it on. Beware the Batman failed because it tried to be too different. 2010-ize BTAS and STAS and theres two hit series.

I don't think anyone would be pissed about a new take on Batman's first fight with Joker or Superman's first fight with Luthor

You know I was thinking the other day, and this is the only way I compare the current live action properties to the animated ones, first we got Batman: TAS, then Superman: TAS. Batman first showed up in Superman: TAS, as well as other league members, then we got the JL/JLU show, while none of the other JLAers showed up in Batman: TAS, because it was still kind of paving the way for that.

Now a similar thing is happening in the movies, they did a Batman series, no other DC heroes showed up in it, now they did a Superman one, they're putting Batman in the sequel with some of what seems like cameos from other DC characters, then they're probably doing JL from the sounds of it.

Kind of funny how things work out in a way.

Now if only the movies could be/could have been as good as the animated shows...then...that'd be something....

 

[Kevin Smith]

Agreed with everything you're saying Kevin Smith. but DC doesn't really need to get their animation department together. They're kicking ass with those DTV's they keep releasing. I've enjoyed to loved all of them.

They do need to get their animation on tv together. they've got such great teams working on the dtv's, how hard would it be to get some of those guys on a JL or Superman or Batman show?

A Batman show similar in tone to Batman: Under the Red Hood would blow my mind

Yeah, tv specifically I should have said.

MOST the DTVs have been pretty good, some hit or miss for me, but just about all of them have been pretty good. I still feel like half of them, while still great and easily the best out there right now, are still not quite as good as some of the stuff in the Timmiverse though, but we'll see. I'm just happy they're still doing them, and hope they continue to.

I really liked JL: New Frontier. JL: Crisis On Two Earths I didn't care for so much, just to mention a few off the top of my head since we were talking about them.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I've made that comparison before too. If Bale's Batman were apart of this new universe, the comparison would be even more accurate. This is even more off topic, but all this talk is making me wish Batman Begins kicked off a shared universe. And if Superman Returns story was different, they could've been connected. We could've gotten a Batman or Superman movie almost every year, and we would've had JL movies by now, and most likely movies for WW and Flash. Whatta shame.

Anyways, I'm still waiting for an official announcement stating Arrow and Flash aren't connected to MOS. It's really weird they've waited this long to confirm or deny it, it's clearly something a lot of people are wondering about.

All the comments on it have been super vague.

I wanted a bigger name for Barry, as I think the JL should have a bit more star power, but I'd be fine with Gustin for the movies so long as the Flash show is as good as I'm hoping it will be. Plus, Cavill isn't a name and he worked great.

The fact that no one has come out and said Arrow and Flash are definitely not connected to MOS says a lot. I'm thinking WB is considering the idea. A lot of people support it now. Season 2 of Arrow has changed a lot of people's minds about this universe being in continuity.

If Gustin is the movie Flash, there can still be a Flash movie. It'd just have to be a bigger story than they can do on a tv budget. Maybe Flashpoint?

 

[Kevin Smith]

I've made that comparison before too. If Bale's Batman were apart of this new universe, the comparison would be even more accurate. This is even more off topic, but all this talk is making me wish Batman Begins kicked off a shared universe. And if Superman Returns story was different, they could've been connected. We could've gotten a Batman or Superman movie almost every year, and we would've had JL movies by now, and most likely movies for WW and Flash. Whatta shame.

I feel the same way. Just shows how out of touch they were with their Superman and Batman projects to plan them so vastly different....Batman's beginning and is married to the absolute mundane which means no other DC heroes and a Superman who is played by a younger actor but is at least 7 years into his career and has a child he's unaware of. Sheesh.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I wonder if WB is considering Gustin for the on film Flash as well. I really hope they are now, especially with that whole mexican Flash rumors thing and the JL being the "U.N. of superheroes" (terrible).

 

[Rorschach2012]

I wonder if WB is considering Gustin for the on film Flash as well. I really hope they are now, especially with that whole mexican Flash rumors thing and the JL being the "U.N. of superheroes" (terrible).

Yeah that sounds like a pretty dumb idea. You don't just change a huge character like that just for the sake of diversity.

I'm against a latino Flash as well, I'd MUCH rather we get Gustin than a latino Flash. I guess really what it comes down to though is who is best for the role. If a hispanic actor embodies all the attributes of the comic book Barry, and only lacks the same race, I could get down for it. But until I see who they're thinking about, I'm going to remain skeptical.
I don't believe those rumors though anyways... Elmayimbe seems to think they're untrue. I trust his word for the most part.

 

[S. Grundy]

What about the character history, where if you changed him to a Hispanic would be different? I'm scratching my head trying to think of something, other than "he's always been white" which isn't much of an argument. If people are okay with Manu Bennett, who is M&#257;ori, playing Slade, why would a Hispanic Flash be a problem?

Plus you would be surprised at how many actors are of Hispanic descent, but don't, for lack of a better term "look it."

 

[king666]

I think what they'll do is have Barry name everyone. I can see him giving all of his enemies ridiculous names that he thinks sound menacing, but really aren't. It would make for a great running gag.

That'd be fun t:

The opposite could work too: his villains giving themselves ridiculous names and Barry suggesting them better names (since he's a comic book fan).

He did something similar with Oliver and the face paint.

 

[Lord Valumart]

I wonder when we'll get an official, definitive, discussion-ending statement that says whether or not Arrow and Flash are connected to MOS. We've gotten some statements on it, but they're too vague. They lead me to believe WB is still deciding what to do

I hope not. Arrow is really good, where as MOS was utterly terrible. I hope they keep it all different. I don't want Flash having to be in a universe with such horrible muted colours and pathetic character development.

And I want cheesey over the top Rouges. That's the best thing about them. That they're all about the cheese and try not to harm anyone. Flash and his Rouges are an interesting thing in comics and I'd like them to keep that in the show.

 

[NosfeRomas]

Yeah, MoS sucks, i say we hang the filmmakers and then paint their dead corpses to the same horrible muted colour.

 

[Boy Scout]

That'd be fun t:

The opposite could work too: his villains giving themselves ridiculous names and Barry suggesting them better names (since he's a comic book fan).

He did something similar with Oliver and the face paint.

That'd be cool too! t:

I hope not. Arrow is really good, where as MOS was utterly terrible. I hope they keep it all different. I don't want Flash having to be in a universe with such horrible muted colours and pathetic character development.

Although I don't think MOS was terrible, I want the universes to remain separate. Let the creators be able to do what they want without having to compromise for the sake of tone or continuity or whatever.

And I want cheesey over the top Rouges. That's the best thing about them. That they're all about the cheese and try not to harm anyone. Flash and his Rouges are an interesting thing in comics and I'd like them to keep that in the show.

I'd like to see that relationship explored. I've never read any Flash comics, but from what I've heard, his relationship with his villains is an interesting one.