The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Gothamsknight]

I do think there's been a lot of Joker lately but you already know fans are gonna be clamoring to know if he's gonna be in this trilogy, so I don't think a small tease will hurt. At the same time, I could totally understand why some people don't want that too. For me, the eagerness to see what Barry looks like as the Joker is high so I'm all in.

 

[antsman41]

...we've had only ok to very bad Joker's post-Ledger in films, tv, and in the comics (which have been giving Leto their money for being utterly abysmal). I trust Reeves.

I have hopes that we'll see why Barry was picked and I believe he has the largest opportunity in the future to be the next best Joker alongside Heath's performance.

 

[cryptic name]

...we've had only ok to very bad Joker's post-Ledger in films, tv, and in the comics (which have been giving Leto their money for being utterly abysmal). I trust Reeves.

I have hopes that we'll see why Barry was picked and I believe he has the largest opportunity in the future to be the next best Joker alongside Heath's performance.

That’s my hope, that he can stand beside Ledger and Nicholson along with Reeves standing beside Nolan and Burton.

 

[BatLobster]

...we've had only ok to very bad Joker's post-Ledger in films, tv, and in the comics (which have been giving Leto their money for being utterly abysmal). I trust Reeves.

I have hopes that we'll see why Barry was picked and I believe he has the largest opportunity in the future to be the next best Joker alongside Heath's performance.

To be fair, while it's certainly not my favorite version of the character, Phoenix did win an Oscar for his performance and received a ton of acclaim. And this was only 2 years ago.

That said, I'm all for Barry being given an opportunity to make it his own.

 

[AndyTrevino]

...we've had only ok to very bad Joker's post-Ledger in films, tv, and in the comics (which have been giving Leto their money for being utterly abysmal). I trust Reeves.

I have hopes that we'll see why Barry was picked and I believe he has the largest opportunity in the future to be the next best Joker alongside Heath's performance.

I'm 90% sure he was cast based off of Killing Of A Sacred Deer

 

[AndyTrevino]

If some of the reports about scars and his face being mangled are accurate, maybe his white skin is all scar tissue, like either from falling in a vat of chemicals or some other crazy accident. Maybe that's too similar to Two Face.

I don't think they'd go THAT far. I just assume that stuff messed up his pigmentation as well as the rest of his face.

 

[antsman41]

To be fair, while it's certainly not my favorite version of the character, Phoenix did win an Oscar for his performance and received a ton of acclaim. And this was only 2 years ago.

His performance was great... but he just wasn't "Joker" for me. Joker and Batman are important to each other... and a Joker without a Batman is just Taxi Driver.

 

[BatLobster]

His performance was great... but he just wasn't "Joker" for me. Joker and Batman are important to each other... and a Joker without a Batman is just Taxi Driver.

Oh, I completely agree. Just talking more from a 'general audience' perspective, how it might be perceived. But I agree, to me the character of Arthur that Phoenix portrayed wasn't really a Joker that I could ever imagine going toe to toe with Batman.

 

[AndyTrevino]

I'm just not super keen on sympathetic Joker

 

[Sharkboy]

I love joker ‘19, however I don’t particularly feel he should be ranked amongst other jokers. He’s a main character in his own standalone film with no superheroes or batman. It’s incomparable to being a villain of a superhero film.

 

[antsman41]

...oh, the HQ cartoon Joker is pretty dope. I don't know why I forgot about him.

 

[BMW 224]

I do have one issue with this joker scene.

I feel like it doesn't really make sense for Battinsons to have already faced his greatest enemy this early reckless and young and beaten him.

I got the vibe that Riddler was his first Supervillain or rogue's gallery.

It kinds undermines Joker and makes Riddler seem like a bigger threat and game changer compared to Joker in this series.

Battinson being pushed to the edge by Joker physoclilgy and won't feel as impactful now since Riddler already did that.

I mean what can Joker do that would top Riddler exposing The Wayne family as corrupt ?

Or flooding Gotham City and and causing a uprising while also killing the elite members of Gotham ?

Even Batman losing his temper and struggling not to kill has already been taken by Riddler.

 

[flygerr5]

I do have one issue with this joker scene.

I feel like it doesn't really make sense for Battinsons to have already faced his greatest enemy this early reckless and young and beaten him.

I got the vibe that Riddler was his first Supervillain or rogue's gallery.

It kinds undermines Joker and makes Riddler seem like a bigger threat and game changer compared to Joker in this series.

Battinson being pushed to the edge by Joker physoclilgy and won't feel as impactful now since Riddler already did that.

I mean what can Joker do that would top Riddler exposing The Wayne family as corrupt ?

Or flooding Gotham City and and causing a uprising while also killing the elite members of Gotham ?

Even Batman losing his temper and struggling not to kill has already been taken by Riddler.

I don't think that's the case. In fact, I think it works out very well. Joker is his arch-nemesis. Making him the first villain he faces is actually a smart move. It sets up an early familiarity and connection between them that will gradually build throughout the universe and culminate in the final film. It's the perfect setup. I'd much rather prefer this than have them introduce the Joker in a sequel or a final film.

 

[flygerr5]

I understand what some of you guys are saying, but we are talking about Joker here. He is a character that will never die out and will be portrayed forever in different ways. He is Batman's greatest villain. I couldn't imagine a scenario where Matt, who understands the character of Batman more than any other previous director, would leave out/avoid using the character of Joker. It was inevitable. In fact, they probably planned it right from the start. Matt posted that picture of the statues of Catwoman, Riddler and Penguin... but Joker was IN THE BACKGROUND. He was hinting at it all along.

Matt is going to give us the definitive versions of both Batman and the Joker

 

[BMW 224]

I don't think that's the case. In fact, I think it works out very well. Joker is his arch-nemesis. Making him the first villain he faces is actually a smart move. It sets up an early familiarity and connection between them that will gradually build throughout the universe and culminate in the final film. It's the perfect setup. I'd much rather prefer this than have them introduce the Joker in a sequel or a final film.

I respect you opinion but personally I see no problem introductin him in the second or final film.


The fact that Joker is Batmans archenemies makes it strange to me than this frankly mess of a Batman who's so new at this and figuring himself out (and I mean that in a good way) has already faced fought and defeated the Joker.

I don't wanna say it's to soon but... It kinda does feel that way to me.

 

[flygerr5]

I respect you opinion but personally I see no problem introductin him in the second or fknal film.


The fact that Joker is Batmans archenemies makes it strange to me than this frankly mess of a Batman (and I mean that in a good way) has already faced fought and defeated him.

I don't wanna say it's to soon but... It kinda does feel that way to me.

The thing is, he isn't really the Joker just yet. He probably barely even faced off against Batman. He likely did some crime and Batman apprehended him. He isn't yet the psychotic criminal mastermind he will become. In my opinion, the GCPD show will show the gradual descent of Stanley Merkel, the man, and he will commit some criminal offence and get put away by Batman.

Just like Matt has countlessly said, the rogues gallery characters aren't yet their comic counterparts, they aren't fully developed yet. They will become those characters

 

[OnLeatherWings]

Just like Matt has countlessly said, the rogues gallery characters aren't yet their comic counterparts, they aren't fully developed yet. They will become those characters

Minor Rant - But I'm tired of this in comic book media.

I went through the whole "he's not yet the X from the comics we know!" excuses with the MCU Netflix Punisher, Tom Holland's Spider-Man, Nolan trilogy and several others.

If this is how Riddler is in this universe, I'm cool with that. I'd rather this be his definitive self in this universe than some sort of stepping stone.

I'm kinda over this whole having to wait several films or TV seasons to finally see the characters I love.

Just slow the roll on the origin tales.

 

[Babillygunn]

Minor Rant - But I'm tired of this in comic book media.

I went through the whole "he's not yet the X from the comics we know!" excuses with the MCU Netflix Punisher, Tom Holland's Spider-Man, Nolan trilogy and several others.

If this is how Riddler is in this universe, I'm cool with that. I'd rather this be his definitive self in this universe than some sort of stepping stone.

I'm kinda over this whole having to wait several films or TV seasons to finally see the characters I love.

Just slow the roll on the origin tales.

But if this is the case, aren’t you skipping the origin tale? You don’t have to see Red Hood fall into the vat. It happened and now he’s in Arkham, disfigured and newly crazy, biding his time for an escape.

 

[AndyTrevino]

But if this is the case, aren’t you skipping the origin tale? You don’t have to see Red Hood fall into the vat. It happened and now he’s in Arkham, disfigured and newly crazy, biding his time for an escape.

I feel like he meant more just accepting that these drastic interpretations are here to stay rather than having hope that they'll do away with them rather quickly in favor of sudden 100% comic accuracy

 

[BMW 224]

I feel like he meant more just accepting that these drastic interpretations are here to stay rather than having hope that they'll do away with them rather quickly in favor of sudden 100% comic accuracy

As long the interpretations are good and keep the soul of the character than I prefer that anyways.

 

[AndyTrevino]

As long the interpretations are good and keep the soul of the character than I prefer that anyways.

I prefer a balance between that and the physical design but I trust Reeves a ton anyways.

 

[WatchProtect]

It's super possible that Batman could have beaten Joker while he was still in planning stages or not as "grand" as he often is. Maybe he sees Riddler do his thing and he's like "Oh sh** I need to think BIGGER".

Another thing which I truthfully see happening is Reeves borrowed another cue from the Telltale games and that Joker put himself in Arkham and hasn't actually come across Batman yet. Ik some people prefer Batman to create Joker but imo if Joker sort of "blooms and flourishes" because of Batman, it accomplishes the same thing.

 

[boba loba]

It's super possible that Batman could have beaten Joker while he was still in planning stages or not as "grand" as he often is. Maybe he sees Riddler do his thing and he's like "Oh sh** I need to think BIGGER".

Another thing which I truthfully see happening is Reeves borrowed another cue from the Telltale games and that Joker put himself in Arkham and hasn't actually come across Batman yet. Ik some people prefer Batman to create Joker but imo if Joker sort of "blooms and flourishes" because of Batman, it accomplishes the same thing.

People are assuming Batman already put Joker in Arkham sometime during year one. What if Joker has been in Arkham for years pre Batman and has been planning his grand escape this whole time. Maybe Nashton will have a part to play in that since Joker seemingly wants to be his friend.

 

[RokMeAmadeus]

He's the arch nemesis. When people expected or even desired for him to not ever show up in the series at all, they're friggin deluding themselves. He's inescapable. People worried and saying "WHY CANT THEY DO OTHER VILLAINS" shouldn't even worry since, well, that's clearly what Reeves is doing lol. Having him sort of in the background pulling some strings throughout the series while other villains get more of the spotlight/screentime isn't a problem at all

 

[AndyTrevino]

Guys, even if Batman already locked Joker up it's heavily possible he's not even THE Joker yet.