The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Marvolo]

Can anyone confirm whether Martha Wayne had a mental problem and spent time in Arkham? If she did I'm calling it that this Joker will be Bruce's brother.

 

[Kane52630]

There really weren't any blatant nods, as far as I can tell.

Even the part where he runs down the building on a cord didn't really feel like a nod like some have said.

When Batman is around the cops, it felt, to me, like a dark version of Adam West. But no, there weren't really any.

I feel like the maid they had felt like a nod to Aunt Harriet.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Can anyone confirm whether Martha Wayne had a mental problem and spent time in Arkham? If she did I'm calling it that this Joker will be Bruce's brother.

Yes she did.

The Hush Easter egg had me shook. I was not expecting that!

 

[The Batman]

I feel like the maid they had felt like a nod to Aunt Harriet.

I'm kind of wondering why she wasn't called Harriet.

 

[BatLobster]

Even the part where he runs down the building on a cord didn't really feel like a nod like some have said.

I need to see it again to confirm but I am like 99% sure I heard a quick 60s nod in the score during that moment. Just like one really quick "na na na na na". And it's definitely something Giacchino would do, with how much he incorporated the Spider-Man cartoon theme into those scores.

 

[dhandler01]

That scene with Barry’s joker had my heart pounding. You could hear a pin drop in the theater. You could tell there was prosthetics around the nose and maybe the jaw/chin. and the hair almost reminded me of killing joke joker. Skin badly burned by acid or some chemicals from what I could make out.

the voice was unnerving at times. Really interested in where they take him.

Killing Joke Joker was who I thought of as well. That era for sure with the long face and the hair.

 

[dhandler01]

How did the audience in the theatre react? I'm worried that Joker will seem a bit ho-hum by the time he appears again.

They laughed along with them but were dead silent at first. You could hear people have to catch their breathe in my theater.

The scene totally works and was not overdone like I feared.

 

[dhandler01]

Is there anything you'd compare the grin to?

You don't really get to see it. The scene is shot to make it hard to see but as has been said look at the Joker from The Killing Joke and that is the profile you get.

 

[dhandler01]

The Shakespeare bust was in Bruce's study.

And I don't know if it was intentional, but Oz's interrogation where Gordon and Bats were trading off guesses in solving the riddle gave me huge '66 show vibes with Batman/Gordon.

I loved that scene!

 

[dhandler01]

I need to see it again to confirm but I am like 99% sure I heard a quick 60s nod in the score during that moment. Just like one really quick "na na na na na". And it's definitely something Giacchino would do, with how much he incorporated the Spider-Man cartoon theme into those scores.

When he jumps off the building after that I swear I heard an Elfman nod...I kind of teared up.

 

[codesveburn]

Anyone feel disappointed that Paul Dano, out of all his movies, didnt get beaten up in this...

 

[AndyTrevino]

You don't really get to see it. The scene is shot to make it hard to see but as has been said look at the Joker from The Killing Joke and that is the profile you get.

So he's got a long pointy chin from what you could see?

 

[dhandler01]

So he's got a long pointy chin from what you could see?

It appeared so yes.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

This movie had some really great scenes in it, but damn was that opening absolute perfection with that hardboiled narration from Bruce and Giacchino's score perfectly setting the mood and tone in the background.

We go from a creepy, brutal intro to Riddler to those awesome shots of a dreary, rainy, gritty Gotham that has never looked this dark, gothic and moody in any other live action films IMO.

I was honestly grinning ear to ear seeing that stuff and losing my mind in my seat and to really cap it off it all cumulates to one of the coolest out of the darkness intro's for Batman I have ever seen.

Bravo to Reeves for being able to pull off stuff like that on the bigscreen along with that much deserved EPIC intro for the Batmobile leading into that badass 70's/80's vintage car chase with The Penguin.

I don't care how many times it was shown in the trailer I still loved the hell out of that entire sequence along with The Wingsuit sequence which I wish was a bit longer, but it was still dope asf.

Also, I'm glad you guys can confirm that was indeed Keoghan as The Joker because I could barely recognize him, but that scene definitely got a loud reaction from my audience.

He looked and sounded pretty creepy though.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

His face is definitely eaten up by acid, teeth were yellowish too. Messy joker hair, looks a bit like killing joke.

 

[Marvolo]

Considering Reeves was willing to hinge two Apes films on the motion capture apes as the central protagonists it really wouldn't surprise me if Reeves uses motion capture and cgi on Joker's face. Theres just no way to do an animated style Joker in live action without it. It wouldn't even need to be a complete cgi face. Just an enhancement.

 

[AndyTrevino]

Consudering Reeves was willing to hinge two Apes films on the motion capture apes it really wouldn't surprise me if Reeves uses motion capture and cgi on Joker's face. Theres just no way to do an animated style Joker in live action without it.

Cgi Joker sounds very unecessary. Just let the prosthetics do their job

 

[AndyTrevino]

His face is definitely eaten up by acid, teeth were yellowish too. Messy joker hair, looks a bit like killing joke.

Where did you see the teeth? Was it as he was talking about clowns?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Where did you see the teeth? Was it as he was talking about clowns?

If I remember correctly it's just as he starts to laugh.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Considering Reeves was willing to hinge two Apes films on the motion capture apes as the central protagonists it really wouldn't surprise me if Reeves uses motion capture and cgi on Joker's face. Theres just no way to do an animated style Joker in live action without it. It wouldn't even need to be a complete cgi face. Just an enhancement.

Having seen examples of Mike Marino's makeup work, I don't cgi will be necessary.

Spoiler: warning, pretty gruesome

 

[Marvolo]

Cgi Joker sounds very unecessary. Just let the prosthetics do their job

No amount of prosthetics are going to allow an actor to smile like comic Joker.

Also we dont actually know if it was prosthetics in this scene, or if it was whether prosthetics will work beyond this scene in a heavy role. I know its the common thing to balk at cgi at all, but that is so last decade. Mocap has come far, and cgi enhancements on top of actor's faces and merged with prosthetics is so common its practically the norm for any abnormal characters. With Reeves experience with mocap and cgi I think he could do far more and do it far better than with prosthetics alone.

And there is no getting around the fact that prosthetics add mass to an actor's face. Without cgi to shave that down Joker is going to end up with a pointy chin and full cheeks. Not what you want with a comic accurate Joker design.

 

[AndyTrevino]

If I remember correctly it's just as he starts to laugh.

Is it something you can only see clearly in the theater? Because I don't see them at all in the leaked clip

 

[Art Vandelay]

Andy, what did you think of the voice/laugh?

 

[dhandler01]

I didn't notice the teeth personally but I will look when I see if again.

 

[Rod]

Gotta say this now...

I kinda wish the Penguin series was a prequel just so could see more of John Turturro's Falcone, lol