The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Art Vandelay]

Speaking of Joker, was anyone else not really that impressed with Barry's acting? I know it's just one clip, and maybe it's mostly due to the writing, but he comes off a bit underwhelming.

 

[antsman41]

I think it was crazy inspired that the first reaction we see from Batman saving someone is in the shadows and the guy in complete fear. He just saved the guy but the dude is totally afraid of him. This is right by the start of the film.

The last reaction is exactly the opposite its Batman in the sun and the little girl is so thankful Batman is there. This is right by the end of the film.

This was truly a beautiful contrast.

This.

 

[BattleAngel]

Nah I get what you mean there's logic leaps in Knight that bothers me too even though in the moment I'm fine.

For example Bales Batman falls from a building with Rachel lands on a ****in car so hard he crushed but no he and Rachel are perfectly fine just out of breath a little lol.

From what I've heard Battinson actually gets hurt in his wing sutie scene which I prefer and appreciate more.

I understand exactly where you coming from I just disagree with the interrogation scene we were discussing.

Like you said no film is perfect doesn't mean you or anyone hates that film.

The wing suit fall is literally treated like a slapstick gag. They cut directly to him back in a tower with Gordon, wearing a fresh cape.

This Batman is basically as invulnerable as robocop despite implications otherwise - the movie definitely tries to have it both ways.

I do love how the movie treats the no kill rule, though.

 

[Jekecy]

Speaking of Joker, was anyone else not really that impressed with Barry's acting? I know it's just one clip, and maybe it's mostly due to the writing, but he comes off a bit underwhelming.

I wish it was cut out entirely.

Neither Barry's acting nor the execution of the scene itself was anything impressive. It's exactly the type of scene I'd expect out of one of the DC CW shows. Greig's lighting is the only thing which makes it stand out otherwise.

 

[BattleAngel]

Speaking of Joker, was anyone else not really that impressed with Barry's acting? I know it's just one clip, and maybe it's mostly due to the writing, but he comes off a bit underwhelming.

It was criminally bad. “Riddle me this” - I wanted to puke. If this is all we see of Joker in this trilogy, it would be a huge relief and a cool nod. But good lord, a movie full of this freaking guy? I cannot imagine it.

 

[flygerr5]

Can someone DM me the Joker clip ? Just saw the movie and want to see the scene again desperately. I know there was a leak here but I can’t seem to find it, if anyone has it or can send me a link please

 

[BatLobster]

I wish it was cut out entirely.

Neither Barry's acting nor the execution of the scene itself was anything impressive. It's exactly the type of scene I'd expect out of one of the DC CW shows. Greig's lighting is the only thing which makes it stand out otherwise.

I would love to get a better look at the prosthetic and everything. And I know Barry is a good actor.

But yeah, I don't know. It didn't add a ton for me.

One of the brilliant aspects of the Joker card flip in BB is your imagination immediately runs wild wondering what the Joker in that universe is going to be. I mean, I guess that element is there to an extent here, but it's much less so when you can (kinda) see and hear them, you know what actor it is, and it still doesn't leave too much of an impression. I do like the idea of Joker being more a background player in this series who doesn't come to the fore until later, so it could pay off.

I just wonder if planting that seed here was worth the gamble of kind of chaining yourself creatively to that. I guess kudos to Reeves if he really has that clear of a vision for how he wants to depict Joker in this universe, but I wonder if there would've been a benefit to approaching that with more of a fresh set of eyes after going through the experience of making this film and seeing how it's received, etc. And it did feel a lot like a MCU post-credits scene that just so happened to be in the movie. I think they should've just owned it and put it after the credits.

 

[antsman41]

Thomas Wayne saying “I believe in Gotham City” was aces.

 

[BattleAngel]

I would love to get a better look at the prosthetic and everything. And I know Barry is a good actor.

But yeah, I don't know. It didn't add a ton for me.

One of the brilliant aspects of the Joker card flip in BB is your imagination immediately runs wild wondering what the Joker in that universe is going to be. I mean, I guess that element is there to an extent here, but it's much less so when you can (kinda) see and hear them, you know what actor it is, and it still doesn't leave too much of an impression. I do like the idea of Joker being more a background player in this series who doesn't come to the fore until later, so it could pay off.

I just wonder if planting that seed here was worth the gamble of kind of chaining yourself creatively to that. I guess kudos to Reeves if he really has that clear of a vision for how he wants to depict Joker in this universe, but I wonder if there would've been a benefit to approaching that with more of a fresh set of eyes after going through the experience of making this film and seeing how it's received, etc. And it did feel a lot like a MCU post-credits scene that just so happened to be in the movie. I think they should've just owned it and put it after the credits.

Amen to all of that. Just such an enormous gamble with such incredibly little reward (and imho, huge detriment). Everyone in my showing groaned. It was totally an MCU credits scene stitched into the film. And just like… so garishly bad. Makes Julia Louis Dreyfuss’s marvel scenes look like the pinnacle of acting.

 

[antsman41]

Misdirection

But, having Pattinson play out that scene as Bruce trying not to get angry or play his hand was terrific.

 

[AndyTrevino]

See, I'm just....kinda tired of waiting for Joker in these movies after all the speculating we did so I'm glad we at least have a vague idea of what he'll be like and look like in this universe.

I do agree though that this scene feels rushed. And with everything else seeming to be top-notch I won't discard Barry's Joker just yet.

 

[BatLobster]

See, I'm just....kinda tired of waiting for Joker in these movies after all the speculating we did so I'm glad we at least have a vague idea of what he'll be like and look like in this universe.

I do agree though that this scene feels rushed. And with everything else seeming to be top-notch I won't discard Barry's Joker just yet.

There definitely is a "ah let's just rip the band-aid off" type of feel to it. I mean, I get where you're coming from. But considering we've seen a lot of Joker lately, I'm not sure it was necessary. It also contributes to the "multiple epilogues until the movie finally just stops" syndrome it has. I also wonder if it was put in there to quell any speculation that Phoenix's Joker was going to cross over with this (I still don't think that would've been a terrible idea...don't shoot lol)

I'm being nitpicky though. I really liked the movie a lot. It just feels like a tale of two movies a bit, where the entire first half is pretty freaking outstanding, and then it makes a few choices I'm unsure about in the back half. I'm hoping further viewings will iron things out for me and I can really love it.

Either way though, I'm 100% down for more in this world.

 

[BattleAngel]

But, having Pattinson play out that scene as Bruce trying not to get angry or play his hand was terrific.

Easily one of his best scenes. Also, as a “pro lenses” guy (they DID give him lenses!), I am soooooo glad we see Batman’s eyes, and this scene is exactly why. I’ll admit I really didn’t know which way that scene was going to break (and was the only surprise in the movie even though I avoided spoilers… other than just how rad the gadgets would be or that Alfred would get 3 minutes of screen time).

 

[codesveburn]

Speaking of Joker, was anyone else not really that impressed with Barry's acting? I know it's just one clip, and maybe it's mostly due to the writing, but he comes off a bit underwhelming.

Despite not being that bothered about that scene (since i like to see more riddler, i like his laugh more) but i didnt feel particularly impressed with his laugh at least. I dont think i can judge few seconds clip yet. He will have tough job ahead.

 

[flygerr5]

I don’t know if im the only one, but I thought the Joker scene was fantastic. It was placed perfectly in my opinion, despite what a lot of people are saying. I think the cadence in his voice, the way he sounds like he’s manipulating Riddler because he knows he’s fragile mentally, the way he laughs which I thought sounded like classic Joker. And don’t even get me started on his look, this is the first time I felt truly horrified at the appearance of a Joker. His entire face looked burned and his hair….. so disturbing. Exactly how I hoped I would feel.

Bit surprised to see people disliking the scene or how Barry acted. I was blown away.

 

[antsman41]

I don’t know if im the only one, but I thought the Joker scene was fantastic. It was placed perfectly in my opinion, despite what a lot of people are saying. I think the cadence in his voice, the way he sounds like he’s manipulating Riddler because he knows he’s fragile mentally, the way he laughs which I thought sounded like classic Joker. And don’t even get me started on his look, this is the first time I felt truly horrified at the appearance of a Joker. His entire face looked burned and his hair….. so disturbing. Exactly how I hoped I would feel.

Bit surprised to see people disliking the scene or how Barry acted. I was blown away.

Same.

He’s like a perfect mix of Bolland and Capullo… for looks. You can tell he’s smart, yet crazy. I think he has the potential to be the puppet Joker we all love from the comics/BTAS. Where all of the other villains can be chess pieces for his battle against Batman.

I love Heath, and his throne will stand on its own forever. But, holy hell am I excited for that late 80’s comics meets BTAS Joker in live action.

 

[BattleAngel]

Same.

He’s like a perfect mix of Bolland and Capullo… for looks. You can tell he’s smart, yet crazy. I think he has the potential to be the puppet Joker we all love from the comics/BTAS. Where all of the other villains can be chess pieces for his battle against Batman.

I love Heath, and his throne will stand on its own forever. But, holy hell am I excited for that late 80’s comics meets BTAS Joker in live action.

Matt Reeves got so much right here that I’ll extend the benefit of the doubt but I did not see late 80s/BTAS joker here. I saw something within spitting distance of Fox 5’s Gotham’s Joker. The music box stuff sounded right out of American Horror Story. But as others have said, at least they ripped off the Bandaid. There’s no going back on that.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

Sadly, I have to agree with those critical of the 'Joker' tease scene.

It did feel like a post-credits scene that somehow made its way into the film proper. It just doesn't fit and doesn't add anything to the film itself. It's a tease - in a film so tightly focused on itself, thus it feels out of character for the film.

And I can't say it's smart to marry your performance to a film cameo, if I was the actor. If he finds a better Joker voice or laugh, if Reeves and Co. have a better idea for a look later on - in the next couple years or however long it takes to make the film he feature in - they kinda have to keep it consistent with this scene.

I know they don't show much - but we see enough. We hear enough. And if they alter his voice, face, or laugh - it's gonna remedy this scene a continuity issue for the trilogy.

I can't say the voice felt Joker. The laugh was...fine.

But it just felt a bit unnecessary and added nothing.

This film is so focused on THIS film only, that this pseudo-sequel tease just doesn't fit the film's philosophy.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I'm sure he'll have a little time to craft the voice and laugh more into what it will permanently be later. I think for now the scene served its purpose.

 

[antsman41]

Oh gosh, the way we see Pattinson do his Bruce voice in the Batsuit while driving the Batmobile. Woah.

 

[steve4991]

I feel like I didn’t see enough to say it was bad or I didn’t like it or it was ok and I liked it. I’m genuinely surprised they went the route of teasing something that big. I feel like that wasn’t Matt’s call. But who knows?

I was ok with the laugh and the appearance from what I could see, just not sure how I felt about the voice. I did get a CW Joker vibe and it worries me. Goddamnit Heath. This is what happens when you set the bar too high.

 

[OnLeatherWings]

I posted this in the 'Rank' thread, but I feel it belongs here.

Definitely respect what Reeves is trying with Bruce - but I'm not sure I like it. I don't dislike it, either. I don't know.

I just feel like because Bruce is so...quiet - there's not a whole lot for me to form an opinion over or about. He has presence - but that's kinda...it?

And while everyone is saying Batman is the focus of this film - and I'm happy about that - I...don't feel like that automatically means he has an arc or much of a character, either.

Yes, he ends the film saying he needs to be a different Batman, a symbol of hope and such. Which is great stuff. But it kinda feels unearned (as it's only in the last few minutes) and only said in voiceover. Yes, it shows him helping people to safety - but there's nothing to suggest Batman at the beginning of the film wouldn't have done anything different, here.

I don't mind this 'shell of a human' Bruce, but he speaks so little that I kinda don't get anything out of him to have much of an opinion.

The film is Batman-focused - but nobody, not even Bruce, changes much throughout the film. Bruce SAYS he knows what kind of Batman he needs to be now - but that happens literally in the final minutes through voiceover - which isn't a substitute for visual storytelling an arc.

Your characters need to be on a journey - they need to be different in a clear way than they were when they started.

And I don't feel like anyone in this film really were that much different by the end. Nobody really learned or had much of an arc.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I feel like along with the acting, the writing didn't do Barry any favors. "Don't be sad, you did so well" doesn't sound like something Joker would say. And It doesn't help that Barry sounds like a teenager when he says it.

It makes me wonder what Kieran Culkin would have done, as he has that kind of smarmy, wise guy voice...

 

[AndyTrevino]

I feel like along with the acting, the writing didn't do Barry any favors. "Don't be sad, you did so well" doesn't sound like something Joker would say. And It doesn't help that Barry sounds like a teenager when he says it.

It makes me wonder what Kieran Culkin would have done, as he has that kind of smarmy, wise guy voice...

He's manipulating him there.

And, sue me but I have no problem with a Joker who actually FEELS younger this time around

 

[BattleAngel]

I feel like along with the acting, the writing didn't do Barry any favors. "Don't be sad, you did so well" doesn't sound like something Joker would say. And It doesn't help that Barry sounds like a teenager when he says it.

It makes me wonder what Kieran Culkin would have done, as he has that kind of smarmy, wise guy voice...

I mean… TDK did RE-cast Rachel Dawes, it’s not like we’ve seen so much that Kieran Culkin couldn’t step in He’d be five billion times better. Ugh that scene is just so cringe, and not in the way Joker should make you cringe.