BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - Part 19

[Travesty]

More here: http://whysosadbatman.tumblr.com/

The carnival rings one is funny.

 

[Loki882]

Best batsuit yet. Here is how I would rank all the batsuits:

Affleck
Keaton - Batman '89
Keaton - Batman Returns
Kilmer - panther suit
Kilmer - sonar suit
Clooney - 'ice' suit
Clooney - 'normal' suit
Bale - Batman Begins suit
Bale - TDK/TDKR suit

Affleck.
Kilmer-panther suit.
Bale-Batman Begins suit.
Bale-TDK/TDKR suit.
Kilmer-sonar suit.
Keaton-Batman 89.
Keaton Batman Returns.
Clooney-normal suit.
Clooney-ice suit.

Keaton's suits were not better than Bale's or Kilmer's. Seeing him struggle to even move around in them was just awkward to watch. It was another case of Burton's "style over substance" approach.

 

[CountOrlok]

Me too. Except I hated the Clooney ice suit and the Kilmer sonar suit.

I think they are better 'high tech' versions of the suit than the embarassing jigsaw/robocop look of Bale's suit.

Affleck.
Kilmer-panther suit.
Bale-Batman Begins suit.
Bale-TDK/TDKR suit.
Kilmer-sonar suit.
Keaton-Batman 89.
Keaton Batman Returns.
Clooney-normal suit.
Clooney-ice suit.

Keaton's suits were not better than Bale's or Kilmer's. Seeing him struggle to even move around in them was just awkward to watch. It was another case of Burton's "style over substance" approach.

None of the actors could move in those suits. That's why they used stuntmen.

I just like the look of Keaton's suit. Just looks primal and badass.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Ironically I thought the best batsuit in Nolan's trilogy was the Batman statue (Batue?) at the end.

Haha yeah me too! I remember seeing it and being glad Batman made it into the movie...lol...thinking "why didn't they just go with something like that?".

 

[SuperInfidelX]

When I first saw it my first reaction was, "Not another fake muscle suit!" I'm just not crazy about the fake musculature. I though the Nolan suits were good(definitely could have been less puzzle piece looking, tho), but am glad they went another direction, especially from the rubber looking suits. One of the things I liked about them and the Batman Returns suit was the implied musculature through varying thickness, reinforcement, and design. Maybe that wouldn't work for this suit, I dunno. I just think I'd like the suit a lot more if they toned the fake muscle definition down. Hopefully this suit is very nonrestrictive and the actor/stuntman can be more agile and athletic in it. I am happy for the people on here that love it, though. Aversion to fake muscles aside, it's a pretty cool design.

 

[Par Avion]

Problem is you didn't come up with many reasons why the suit isn't "tactically functional"(literal or just kidding). You came up with 3 reasons, three examples that I spent some time (attempting) to dispute/refute. If you want to argue the 'giant bat' thing as well, I assure you I have a few reasons for that as well.

Yes, you've presented some very good points. The suit is "tactically functional" within the comic book world (depending on how many rationalizations one can dredge up). But then again, in this comic book world, having an open mouth and long billowing cape are accepted without question or explanation even though they are counter-intuitive to fighting crime in every way. In the end, they are all design choices, not too different than a contrasting gold belt.

You know I read once that batman has a bright attention drawing emblem on his chest as a target to coax people into shooting/attacking/stabbing him there(especially in the dark). I think it was Danny O'Niel that said, that's the part of batman's armor that is most heavily padded/armored. Resulting in a 'tactical purpose'. Doing the same with his belt...I don't see it.

Ditto Punisher (Except this Batman's emblem isn't exactly bright or attention drawing...what "tactical advantage" does it present?). It's an attempt to rationalize a superhero logo emblazoned on the hero's chest in the case of a hero (or anti-hero) who it might not be in character to do (similar to Byrne's rationalization of Clark Kent's hypno-glasses) It's a fine explanation-but ultimately unnecessary when the real explanation is- "it looks cool".

Breaking up the design works aesthetically to be sure(black can do that on a grey suit) but the idea that it works towards and not against the premise of tactical advantage. To each his own. We'll have disagree.

It doesn't work towards or against any sort of logistical "tactical advantage". That's my entire point- that it's all aesthetics. How does a gold belt present a "tactical disadvantage"?

I'd further add that liking something more than something else and for an arguable reason, doesn't need to be belittled with the assertion that people boost things by trashing others.

Which is not what I'm doing. At all. It's seems you've misunderstood: I don't prefer the black over the gold belt- Like I said, both work depending on the interpretation. I DO take exception with trying to put down a traditional design element (which is exactly what it is) in favour of rationalizing or attempting to validate the new one that you do favour.

 

[The Caped Knight]

What do you find better about the emblem?

It's spread out and has more of a presentation of bat-wings, it's also more traditional .

Heck I still love the Arkham city suit the best

 

[Kevin Smith]

Arkham Origins has a better design of Batman in terms of the cowl and emblem.

Thank God we got what we did and not another robo-monstrosity.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

So... some of the lines on the bodysuit are seams, some of them are wrinkles... but am I mistaken or are some of them cuts that have been sewn up? Like, by Alfred? It looks like this suit has seen a lot of action and has been repaired a lot.

I noticed that too.t:
Not sure if that's what they are.but it kinda looks like it in some spots.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Ironically I thought the best batsuit in Nolan's trilogy was the Batman statue (Batue?) at the end.

That's Batman, it looks more like the cowl from Batman Begins.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Sadman!!!

Internal monolog:
My parents are dead.

 

[BatFan1979]

Internal monolog:
My parents are dead.

Those aren't raindrops...those are Bat-tears

 

[batmannotes]

Sadman!!!

LOL ... nice!

 

[G.Godfrey]

Man that suit is a thing of beauty. If I was Affleck I'd sleep in it.

 

[roach]

Sadman!!!

Internal conflict:
No one wants to go out at night and commit crimes anymore

 

[KalMart]

More I look at the new suit, the more I like it. Can't wait for other angles, and color.

 

[Travesty]

I'm still so happy about the suit. I can't stop looking at it. it's so badass!

 

[roach]

More I look at the new suit, the more I like it. Can't wait for other angles, and color.

 

[KalMart]

"I've been called many things...obsessed, nihilistic, a psychopath....but one thing I will not stand for is being called a poopy-head. Got that, kid? Look at you now...all curled up on the grass....what's wrong, you don't like the rain? Yeah, I like rain. Never mind swinging, how much you wanna bet you never walk again...hmm? Little ****....."

 

[Marvin]

But then again, in this comic book world, having an open mouth and long billowing cape are accepted without question or explanation even though they are counter-intuitive to fighting crime in every way. In the end, they are all design choices, not too different than a contrasting gold belt.

Problem here is that you just make this statement and don't at all attempt to support it. It's not just that I argued how such things don't actually present an obvious disadvantage(see army helmets comparison), but it's that I argued for the various advantages they present: He can jump off of buildings and fly around a city thanks to the cape, he can protect others..etc(for example).
That's a tactical advantage Point Black Period. If you want to argue why those ideas are false, then you we'll get somewhere new but if you simply say it's all aesthetics in comics..
-Like asking why a desert navy seal wears a giant telecommunications back pack. It hampers his ability to move around and weighs him down but it also provides various 'good things' that help in his job. That's the cape for batman, various 'good things'. Why superman wears a cape I can't say.

In they end, they are not all simply design choices, some serve the premise in particular ways beyond aesthetics the other doesn't. The yellow belt vs the black(very dark) one.

...It's a fine explanation-but ultimately unnecessary when the real explanation is- "it looks cool".

It doesn't work towards or against any sort of logistical "tactical advantage". That's my entire point- that it's all aesthetics. How does a gold belt present a "tactical disadvantage"?

Which is not what I'm doing. At all. It's seems you've misunderstood: I don't prefer the black over the gold belt- Like I said, both work depending on the interpretation. I DO take exception with trying to put down a traditional design element (which is exactly what it is) in favour of rationalizing or attempting to validate the new one that you do favour.

Your first point- Why he fights crime in a costume and not in various other ways is an attempt to rationalize the absurd. The fact that there is an attempt that can be made is entirely the point. Again, gold/yellow belt? I'm still waiting.

Your second- I'm not sure why you are asking me what advantage the gold/yellow belt provides. I've consistently asserted the answer is zero imo.

Lastly- You said the poster(and his ilk) was trashing the old to boost the new, however I think he has an appreciation for both, only that he likes one more for said particular reason and likes the other less for said particular reason(can't speak for him though). I see what you are trying to argue here but imo, you aren't quite doing it. One approach presents the Tac-advantage, the other doesn't and in various cases works against it. I think the premise works best when all things work towards the former.

 

[roach]

Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

 

[Van Petrol]

I'm not going to lie. Back in 03-04, the Affleck suit is pretty much how I imagined the Begins suit would end up looking like whilst reading the script.

 

[Travesty]

I'm loving the captions.

 

[G.Godfrey]

"I've been called many things...obsessed, nihilistic, a psychopath....but one thing I will not stand for is being called a poopy-head. Got that, kid? Look at you now...all curled up on the grass....what's wrong, you don't like the rain? Yeah, I like rain. Never mind swinging, how much you wanna bet you never walk again...hmm? Little ****....."

You make Frank Miller proud.

 

[Marvin]

Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

nice