BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread! - Part 1

[Vonter-Voman]

I was just thinking how freaking awesome the fight will be in the rain. Some people will say it's copying Matrix once again, though.

 

[moviefreak]

yes, but, why are they in there? obviously we can take from that it is on the mexican festive 'day of the dead'. i don't think supes' is a border control officer and i don't think they're asking superman for a lift through the sky to enter the states, so.....assuming he rescues somebody or a bunch on day of the dead?

Well, it's only a guess. They could be a group of devil worshippers for all I care.

It does implied that Superman travels around the world and doing some heroic deeds as one of the scenes in the trailer showed him holding up a Russian space rocket. So maybe he fly to Mexico to help out.

 

[Micromind]

It's amazing how much calmer Superman seems to be with this situation than Manhattan.

Edit: That sums up the difference between two god like heroes, Dr. Manhatten no longer feels like a human and has stopped caring for them as his dimension transcending powers has blurred the lines between living and non living things, but for Superman, the opposite is true with his powers, he feels the duty to eradicate pains of everyone who is suffering and often feels that his powers are not that much omnipotent to do that.

 

[InJustice]

Starting to sound more and more that Superman feels he's obligated to solve the world's problems at once.

Sounds interesting than simply being limited to Metropolis.

 

[Vonter-Voman]

But the situations are totally different. In Supes' scene, it seems people are adoring him, like that passage on the Bible that a person tries to touch Jesus to be cured. In Manhattan's situation, people are bothering him after some serious accusation.

 

[Rapunzel]

I think the dia de lost muertos stuff involves those soldiers. Perhaps they are some Mexican militia hurting people in the name of Superman? So he goes there to stop it?

 

[DKDetective]

Truth. Unfortunately, the crux of the vocal minority's arguments against BvS and the DCCU is that we should NOT have both approaches. Thank Zod they're not the ones making movies.

Yeah, but it is not an either or proposition. One can want serious, thematically deep superhero films and not like Man of Steel or be concerned that BvS is going too far. Such an approach is what I am drawn to and why I tend to gravitate more towards the DC heroes, but I think Man of Steel missed the point and was a poorly executed attempt to make such a film. Take Batman Begins for instance. It is poster boy for a gritty, serious superhero origin story, but throughout it has a more hopeful and warmer tone than Man of Steel.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I REALLY think, given the TDKReturns touches that the Day Of The Dead stuff happens on Corto Maltese and that a lot of the themes of Superman's affect on the wider world might be played out on that fictional island nation.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I think the dia de lost muertos stuff involves those soldiers. Perhaps they are some Mexican militia hurting people in the name of Superman? So he goes there to stop it?

Badass idea, makes sense too. Superman kills Zod, so they follow his lead and start killing those that deserve it. Vigilantes killing in the name of Superman, kinda like the hockey pads in tdk

 

[Jumpman]

It's almost as if they had some sort of plan

You're making too much sense. Stop it.

 

[InJustice]

It's amazing how much calmer Superman seems to be with this situation than Manhattan.

Doctor Manhattan had to deal with essentially being a weapon for the West, and then has to deal with being blindsided by the public when he is forced to deal with allegations that he was causing cancer to the people around him. He has much more reason to be angry as opposed to Superman, who first sees humankind's fear of him as a teen and grows to understand their perspective. The only problem is that he probably didn't anticipate there being an overreliance on him to solve the world's problems. Hence why he looks uncomfortable: he was brought by Jor-El to inspire hope, not to be the hope incarnate for humans and stagnate their society (another interesting juxtaposition: Krypton's stagnant society vs. the potential for Clark's society to be just as stagnant).

 

[TerryMcGinnis]

Doctor Manhattan had to deal with essentially being a weapon for the West, and then has to deal with being blindsided by the public when he is forced to deal with allegations that he was causing cancer to the people around him. He has much more reason to be angry as opposed to Superman, who first sees humankind's fear of him as a teen and grows to understand their perspective. The only problem is that he probably didn't anticipate there being an overreliance on him to solve the world's problems. Hence why he looks uncomfortable: he was brought by Jor-El to inspire hope, not to be the hope incarnate for humans and stagnate their society (another interesting juxtaposition: Krypton's stagnant society vs. the potential for Clark's society to be just as stagnant).

The other, maybe even more important difference between the two, the thing that made it possible for Doctor Manhattan to influence human society on a grand scale, is the same thing that destroyed him internally, as a person - it took away everything from him that made him who he was before the incident in the lab. Whereas Clark, throughout his story, really is the same person he always was, it's just that the people of the world have only now found out about him.

 

[Rapunzel]

Just FYI, I wasn't meaning to say the situations for Manhattan and Superman were similar. In fact, I was pointing out the differences in their reactions because that is what indicates the situations are not the same.

 

[InJustice]

Just FYI, I wasn't meaning to say the situations for Manhattan and Superman were similar. In fact, I was pointing out the differences in their reactions because that is what indicates the situations are not the same.

We pretty much helped with that too. I didn't mean to suggest that you were saying they're similar.

 

[Rapunzel]

We pretty much helped with that too. I didn't mean to suggest that you were saying they're similar.

 

[TerryMcGinnis]

We pretty much helped with that too. I didn't mean to suggest that you were saying they're similar.

Right, me neither. I think we pretty much all agree that the situations superficially have common elements, but at their core, are very different, just like the characters of Superman and Doctor Manhattan.

 

[Manofplastic]

so really, this can't be discarded

i just photocapped this from the trailer and enhanced it

superman-army? bowing? what's up with that?

 

[TerryMcGinnis]

so really, this can't be discarded

i just photocapped this from the trailer and enhanced it

superman-army? bowing? what's up with that?

It was mentioned by someone before that the location looks like the inside of a grain silo, and these uniformed men here are more than likely members of some paramilitary outfit, maybe even a cult that formed as a reaction to the existence of Superman. They probably worship him, but do really ****** things otherwise, so Supes came by to clean the place up and disband them.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

so really, this can't be discarded

i just photocapped this from the trailer and enhanced it

superman-army? bowing? what's up with that?

We aren't sure but you're not the first to notice this...

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I am really warming to a theory roach had and am expanding on it in my own way. For argument sake, say Corto Maltese is a Latin American country with a corrupt government that is repressive and fascist or some kind hard core Venezuelan, pseudo-Communist deal. There is a massive natural (perhaps Un-natural? I'm looking at you Lex!) disaster. The government's efforts are terrible botched. People are in desperate straits in a very short period of time. Someone trapped in the disaster area paints the S symbol on their roof. Either flying around or at the DP offices Superman sees it. He arrives, and saves countless lives. Leads the recovery efforts which happen in record time. He's the hero to millions. Soon however he becomes more and more drawn into the local politics on the island. Solving more problems leads to understanding the root cause is the government of Corto Maltese. Superman is so revered on the island, he starts to become a focus of zealous, revolutionary change and resistance, done in his name, not all of it positive. Suddenly he's got people running around trying to overthrow a government and doing all that entails, using his symbol and acting as they THINK he would. How does he react when say, a platoon of rebel soldiers finds El Presidente's family and slaughters them? I think in helping people he will start to impose limits on himself, and find that just trying to do good is not as simple as he would like to believe, as situations on the ground as it were are far more complicated than he's willing to admit. Just spitballing.

 

[roach]

I am really warming to a theory roach had and am expanding on it in my own way. For argument sake, say Corto Maltese is a Latin American country with a corrupt government that is repressive and fascist or some kind hard core Venezuelan, pseudo-Communist deal. There is a massive natural (perhaps Un-natural? I'm looking at you Lex!) disaster. The government's efforts are terrible botched. People are in desperate straits in a very short period of time. Someone trapped in the disaster area paints the S symbol on their roof. Either flying around or at the DP offices Superman sees it. He arrives, and saves countless lives. Leads the recovery efforts which happen in record time. He's the hero to millions. Soon however he becomes more and more drawn into the local politics on the island. Solving more problems leads to understanding the root cause is the government of Corto Maltese. Superman is so revered on the island, he starts to become a focus of zealous, revolutionary change and resistance, done in his name, not all of it positive. Suddenly he's got people running around trying to overthrow a government and doing all that entails, using his symbol and acting as they THINK he would. How does he react when say, a platoon of rebel soldiers finds El Presidente's family and slaughters them? I think in helping people he will start to impose limits on himself, and find that just trying to do good is not as simple as he would like to believe, as situations on the ground as it were are far more complicated than he's willing to admit. Just spitballing.

this was exactly what I was thinking

 

[roach]

so really, this can't be discarded

i just photocapped this from the trailer and enhanced it

superman-army? bowing? what's up with that?

if KISS can have an army why not Superman?

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

I am really warming to a theory roach had and am expanding on it in my own way. For argument sake, say Corto Maltese is a Latin American country with a corrupt government that is repressive and fascist or some kind hard core Venezuelan, pseudo-Communist deal. There is a massive natural (perhaps Un-natural? I'm looking at you Lex!) disaster. The government's efforts are terrible botched. People are in desperate straits in a very short period of time. Someone trapped in the disaster area paints the S symbol on their roof. Either flying around or at the DP offices Superman sees it. He arrives, and saves countless lives. Leads the recovery efforts which happen in record time. He's the hero to millions. Soon however he becomes more and more drawn into the local politics on the island. Solving more problems leads to understanding the root cause is the government of Corto Maltese. Superman is so revered on the island, he starts to become a focus of zealous, revolutionary change and resistance, done in his name, not all of it positive. Suddenly he's got people running around trying to overthrow a government and doing all that entails, using his symbol and acting as they THINK he would. How does he react when say, a platoon of rebel soldiers finds El Presidente's family and slaughters them? I think in helping people he will start to impose limits on himself, and find that just trying to do good is not as simple as he would like to believe, as situations on the ground as it were are far more complicated than he's willing to admit. Just spitballing.

I love this. Got chills reading this Krypton.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Gene Simmons cameo confirmed!

 

[roach]

Gene Simmons cameo confirmed!

"Do you even...ack...."
Gene Simmons bites Batman's head off