BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread! - Part 4

[WitchTrialz]

What if we get through like almost the whole movie, and everyone in the audience is like "where the hell is doomsday?" Then he drops down and roars and superman uppercuts him off screen. Roll credits
Lol

 

[Charlatan]

I'm leaning more towards this vision being given to Bruce from someone other than WW. Simply because they haven't seen her until the big fight. Not as WW anyway. So she either affects his dreams as Diana in some way (Does Bruce get lucky?) Or it's Kahina the seer that shows him this possible future. One of the rumors long ago during the early production of the film was that Diana was in search of an ancient relic that had been stolen. Could that be the Seal of Clarity? Did Kahina enlist Diana's help? Could Lex have stolen it to decipher the Kryptonian language? Could Lex have used it to show Bruce a possible future? It's one of the 7 Atlantean relics. Are these the 7 things Aquaman is to unite? Are these things DC's Infinity Stones?

 

[GreenKToo]

There are really only 3 options about the dream/vision..

A) it's a nightmare batman has of a rogue Superman. It could perhaps be a nightmare supes has about himself, somewhat fearful about what would happen if he went rogue. VERY doubtful tho.
B) it's a vision WW has of the future.
C) it's the future Flash lives in and he goes back to stop it.

my money is on B.

 

[Charlatan]

There are really only 3 options about the dream/vision..

A) it's a nightmare batman has of a rogue Superman. It could perhaps be a nightmare supes has about himself, somewhat fearful about what would happen if he went rogue. VERY doubtful tho.
B) it's a vision WW has of the future.
C) it's the future Flash lives in and he goes back to stop it.

my money is on B.

Disagree. Zack said these movies are all interconnected as far as plot goes. Not just because they have the same characters in them. The stories are connected. We saw the dressing room tag for the double for Kahina. Now unless that was some huge curveball Zack tossed us I have to believe she has some part to play here.

Also we have what appears to be a location set based on what looks to me to be an ancient Amazonian city. Again possibly linking to Kahina as her first appearance puts her in an Amazonian rain forest. IIRC wasn't Momoa spotted at the town in New Mexico near where that set was built? Was he searching for the seal in his quest to unite those seven Atlantean artifacts?

 

[Zordan]

Disagree. Zack said these movies are all interconnected as far as plot goes. Not just because they have the same characters in them. The stories are connected. We saw the dressing room tag for the double for Kahina. Now unless that was some huge curveball Zack tossed us I have to believe she has some part to play here.

Also we have what appears to be a location set based on what looks to me to be an ancient Amazonian city. Again possibly linking to Kahina as her first appearance puts her in an Amazonian rain forest. IIRC wasn't Momoa spotted at the town in New Mexico near where that set was built? Was he searching for the seal in his quest to unite those seven Atlantean artifacts?

Wilkinson confirmed its Bats dream, but what caused it?? I think its WW or Kahina.

 

[Willi Berg]

If it is Bruce's dream then those are just flying alien creatures, servants of tyrant Superman. They'd arise out of Batman's fear of what Superman is: Alien + Can fly...which totally makes sense as those creatures serve as a metaphor for flying alien beings. Also no Flash or Aquaman in the dream.

If it is Diana's vision then those are Parademons. Justice League never forms. Superman has been subdued by Darkseid and now keeps rule over Earth. Here, Flash and Aquaman could be present.

Yeah, but to make them look so much like Darkseid's parademons? Granted, the GA won't know from that, though.

Could it be Darkseid himself having an effect on Bruce, infiltrating his mind with negative thoughts and emotions (i.e. the Anti-Life Equation). Darkseid would want to dominate Earth, control minds, subjugate humans etc.

This could be the early stages of it. So it would look like a fear-based dream but these small hints are of Darkseid that will be revealed later (in the JL movies) as showing him working in the background, manipulating things.

I'm leaning more towards this vision being given to Bruce from someone other than WW. Simply because they haven't seen her until the big fight. Not as WW anyway. So she either affects his dreams as Diana in some way (Does Bruce get lucky?) Or it's Kahina the seer that shows him this possible future. One of the rumors long ago during the early production of the film was that Diana was in search of an ancient relic that had been stolen. Could that be the Seal of Clarity? Did Kahina enlist Diana's help? Could Lex have stolen it to decipher the Kryptonian language? Could Lex have used it to show Bruce a possible future? It's one of the 7 Atlantean relics. Are these the 7 things Aquaman is to unite? Are these things DC's Infinity Stones?

Interesting. It could be possible that a seer has premonitions of an oncoming threat.

Recent rumors had Diana searching for [BLACKOUT]a sword that Ares wanted to dominate Olympus.[/BLACKOUT]

There could be ties to the other solo movies as well, including Aquaman.

 

[GreenKToo]

I'm probably wrong ( won't be the first or the last time ) but i'm thinking its a vision by WW of a future where there is a Darkseid, and maybe superman is controlled by him, idk.

 

[Charlatan]

Wilkinson confirmed its Bats dream, but what caused it?? I think its WW or Kahina.

How does this sound. Bats has it in for Supes because of the Black Zero thing. Lex has it in for him because he represents a threat to Lex's power.
Lex has been capturing meta humans and either recruiting them or imprisoning them and experimenting/testing them. So has Waller. Are they competing or in cahoots? Or are they both? Are they pretending to work together while still holding out on each other?
Anyhoo they discover that an artifact with great power is hidden in a museum exhibit. Remember the location shots with the bus and it's advertisement for the exhibit?
I also remember that they wanted to film a shot of the museum being robbed and the getaway was with a helicopter on the roof. And Zack wanted to get permission to blow a hole in the roof of the museum (he promised to fix it afterwards) but was denied and they had to shoot it somewhere else.
That makes me think that it was Lex who stole whatever it was from the museum exhibit. Was it the Crystal of Clarity? Did he use it to translate the Kryptonian language so he could access their systems? Did he find out about it from Kharina?
We know that someone broke into Lexcorp and caused a huge amount of damage. I suspect it was Batman. He breaks in to see just what Lex is up to. I think this is after Lex has him fight Superman and maybe even gives him some Kryptonite to even the odds. (1st fight in armor suit)
Bats runs into Kharina,perhaps she is imprisoned but anyway she shows him the vision. And it shows a post apocalyptic future where Supes is a tyrant because Bruce fails to trust him when he needs it and Doomsday ends up killing almost everyone. I think the vision changes his mind about Clark.

 

[Willi Berg]

I'm probably wrong ( won't be the first or the last time ) but i'm thinking its a vision by WW of a future where there is a Darkseid, and maybe superman is controlled by him, idk.

Darkseid does want to eliminate free will. In the comics we do see that Earth is a target and that he has the power to mentally control and enslave others.

 

[John Locke]

What if Superman and his followers are chanting the Anti-Life Equation.

 

[Zordan]

How does this sound. Bats has it in for Supes because of the Black Zero thing. Lex has it in for him because he represents a threat to Lex's power.
Lex has been capturing meta humans and either recruiting them or imprisoning them and experimenting/testing them. So has Waller. Are they competing or in cahoots? Or are they both? Are they pretending to work together while still holding out on each other?
Anyhoo they discover that an artifact with great power is hidden in a museum exhibit. Remember the location shots with the bus and it's advertisement for the exhibit?
I also remember that they wanted to film a shot of the museum being robbed and the getaway was with a helicopter on the roof. And Zack wanted to get permission to blow a hole in the roof of the museum (he promised to fix it afterwards) but was denied and they had to shoot it somewhere else.
That makes me think that it was Lex who stole whatever it was from the museum exhibit. Was it the Crystal of Clarity? Did he use it to translate the Kryptonian language so he could access their systems? Did he find out about it from Kharina?
We know that someone broke into Lexcorp and caused a huge amount of damage. I suspect it was Batman. He breaks in to see just what Lex is up to. I think this is after Lex has him fight Superman and maybe even gives him some Kryptonite to even the odds. (1st fight in armor suit)
Bats runs into Kharina,perhaps she is imprisoned but anyway she shows him the vision. And it shows a post apocalyptic future where Supes is a tyrant because Bruce fails to trust him when he needs it and Doomsday ends up killing almost everyone. I think the vision changes his mind about Clark.

it is possible

 

[Rapunzel]

How does this sound. Bats has it in for Supes because of the Black Zero thing. Lex has it in for him because he represents a threat to Lex's power.
Lex has been capturing meta humans and either recruiting them or imprisoning them and experimenting/testing them. So has Waller. Are they competing or in cahoots? Or are they both? Are they pretending to work together while still holding out on each other?
Anyhoo they discover that an artifact with great power is hidden in a museum exhibit. Remember the location shots with the bus and it's advertisement for the exhibit?
I also remember that they wanted to film a shot of the museum being robbed and the getaway was with a helicopter on the roof. And Zack wanted to get permission to blow a hole in the roof of the museum (he promised to fix it afterwards) but was denied and they had to shoot it somewhere else.
That makes me think that it was Lex who stole whatever it was from the museum exhibit. Was it the Crystal of Clarity? Did he use it to translate the Kryptonian language so he could access their systems? Did he find out about it from Kharina?
We know that someone broke into Lexcorp and caused a huge amount of damage. I suspect it was Batman. He breaks in to see just what Lex is up to. I think this is after Lex has him fight Superman and maybe even gives him some Kryptonite to even the odds. (1st fight in armor suit)
Bats runs into Kharina,perhaps she is imprisoned but anyway she shows him the vision. And it shows a post apocalyptic future where Supes is a tyrant because Bruce fails to trust him when he needs it and Doomsday ends up killing almost everyone. I think the vision changes his mind about Clark.

This-- I totally think the vision is from Kahina, who either makes Bruce more outraged with Superman, or convinces Bruce to trust Superman. This vision could work as flame for Bruce's rage, or it could serve to unify the two. Frankly, I think it's more likely to anger than soothe. I would prefer it best if he sees the vision, thinks it's what will happen, goes after Superman, then discovers the vision is a future that can be changed, and thus he changes it.

 

[Boy Scout]

My only problem with it being a vision of a possible future is that it implies that this version of Superman is capable of becoming a heartless dictator.

 

[Clark-Kent]

I wonder if the genesis chamber was discovered in the ocean, and once recovering it/or using it caused the flooding?

 

[Rapunzel]

My only problem with it being a vision of a possible future is that it implies that this version of Superman is capable of becoming a heartless dictator.

If he's brain washed...it's not him.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

My only problem with it being a vision of a possible future is that it implies that this version of Superman is capable of becoming a heartless dictator.

See... This is why the idea of a duplicate worked well in my mind. It allowed that future to play out, show a "Superman" killing/beating Batman, thus illustrating how without his moral center Superman would stomp Batman flat, allow Batman a "win" later by playing on the real Superman's character and be the third act physical villain, which was used by Luthor to frame up Superman for some terrible act so that Batman would have to take action against the Man Of Steel. It explained the enraged Superman kneeling to Lex and would certainly be an enemy worthy of the Trinity, especially if you have a weakened Superman due to Bat shenanigans in their fight, thus adding some sense tension as Superman can't simply match his doppelganger.

Now... I just don't know. I think the duplicate idea has DRAMTICALLY decreased in probability to nil with the last trailer. I suppose we could get a duplicate that mutates into Doomsday... But eh, that's also seemingly less likely now.

I wonder if the genesis chamber was discovered in the ocean, and once recovering it/or using it caused the flooding?

I don't follow? What do you mean? The genesis chamber was on the scout ship. Do you mean The World Engine? That also seems unlikely. The flood sequence, which could just be a montage of Superman's exploits anyway, looks like it's in a South American country. The WE went down in the Indian Ocean. Those people on top of their houses don't look especially South Asian to me.

 

[Clark-Kent]

I meant the scout ship/genesis chamber in it. I didn't remember if they showed what happened to it after the WE.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Maybe the genesis pod is out after the scout ship crashes.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I meant the scout ship/genesis chamber in it. I didn't remember if they showed what happened to it after the WE.

Well again... The scout ship and the genesis chamber crashed in Metropolis, nowhere near the ocean. The scout ship, which Zod flew to Metropolis, had the chamber in it. It's not in the ocean, it crashed just a bit outside the area the Black Zero flattened with the gravity beam and it seems that instead of it being moved a structure was built around it. In any case it seems to be around the perimeter of the park built where the gravity beam cause so much destruction and where the memorial and statue are built.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Ok thanks you are the expert and I'll be quiet now.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Ok thanks you are the expert and I'll be quiet now.

No expert CK. Just saying, that's what happened in the MOS, and what looks to be the case in trailer 2.

 

[Clark-Kent]

No expert CK. Just saying, that's what happened in the MOS, and what looks to be the case in trailer 2.

Lol I didn't remember what happened to it.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Lol I didn't remember what happened to it.

One thing Ocean related that did occur to me... REALLY slight chance of being so, still...

In MOS we see Zod and his crew arrive on a world the Kryptonians had attempted to colonize but something happened to them. We see one dead with a weapon. It's the same planet that the crew found the World Engine on. Okay... Zod and his crew picked up the WE bring it to Earth and we all know what happens next... What if... What if those Kryptonians on the dead colony world, what if they fought Doomsday? What if they used the World Engine there in some way to hold or imprison Doomsday? When Superman destroyed the WE he released what ever was holding Doomsday, though he was still inert. Lex recovers it and revives it. This of course makes any Zod connection in the trailers a red herring, though the theory loses a lot of weight since we see DD having the heat vision much like Kryptonians on Earth which indicates Zod. Still...

 

[souperman]

is this DEVIL WILL DO IT scene inside the crashed scout ship? Looks like it, with a floating Keelor "type" robot and all.

The lightning shot benind the Superman statue looks to be the ship?

If so, Why didn't Superman take the ship and hide it?
Why is he standing behind Lex so calm like...

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

is this DEVIL WILL DO IT scene inside the crashed scout ship? Looks like it, with a floating Keelor "type" robot and all.

The lightning shot benind the Superman statue looks to be the ship?

If so, Why didn't Superman take the ship and hide it?
Why is he standing behind Lex so calm like...

This bothers me a bit too. I think it's short sighted that he would leave the ship with the birthing tech, the very tech that Jor-El said was a big part of the problems of Krypton's culture, and just allow it to fall into the governments hands.

Other posters have said Superman, after helping with the Black Zero attack victims, would have let the military take possession of the ship and Zod's body as a show of good faith. Eh... I can see that but I still think allowing that to happen is writing Superman as being way too short sighted.

As for the standing with Lex in the ship... No clue. People are assuming a lot, ESPECIALLY with Lex. For all we know that's not his "release the Kracken" moment with Doomsday. It could well be AFTER the battle, he's been defeated, the authorities are on their way and he busts out the villain monologue talking about how he must become the villain to take out Superman ect. Maybe the devil he's referring to is himself?