BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread!

[Rorschach2012]

I agree actually. It does create a better structured story and makes it less of a stretch to have so many superpowered characters all the sudden.

I do doubt it is true, but wouldn't mind it.

Aquaman and Wonder Woman would be related to an ancient god-like race and Cyborg and Flash would be results of scientific accidents (well, Cyborg would technically be the actual accident and scientific part would be a consequence of it).

The most tough character to be done right (and not because of the bad movie with Ryan Reynolds) would be Green Lantern, as I said before.

I had an idea about it though, and I wonder what's your opinion on it, of making his story like a good old "alien abduction" one.
Instead of ring coming to Earth, he'd be taken from Earth to be trained. He would be mentioned to some of the Justice League characters (or some other character) in "JL part one" movie as a pilot that mysteriously disappeared few years ago, along with mentioning of the strange lights in vicinity of the military base. And finally Hal would make an appearance in the third act of "JL part one" movie informing the League about a certain alien threat (Darkseid?) and joining it.

He would basically be the character who could bring many information about greater DCCU and serve as the door that opens to plenty of other alien civilizations beside Kryptonians. He'd finally return to Earth after being absent several years. Him coming back to Earth would be something that "Green Lantern" solo movie could deal with in the future.

that doesn't sound bad.i don't know if they should introduce an already established Hal or if his origin should be prominently featured in JL part 1.

part of me feels like they should intro Hal similar to the way he was used in JL New Frontier.

 

[KillerWolf]

that doesn't sound bad.i don't know if they should introduce an already established Hal or if his origin should be prominently featured in JL part 1.

part of me feels like they should intro Hal similar to the way he was used in JL New Frontier.

Yeah, I liked that. Though it was too much Lovecraftian I also liked the film itself a lot, especially because usually less obscured characters like Hal Jordan and Barry Allen were most prominent in it. It was a very nice change.

As for the origin story, I was basing this idea considering the facts that seemingly WB won't do much of the origin stories in main movies (BvS, JL pt1, JL pt2) and that Green Lantern solo movie is supposed to come out much after the Justice League films.

So I'd personally bet that he'd be already established when he makes an appearance at least to some extent. But who knows? Maybe they won't do "Batman" and "Wonder Woman" and skip the origin story with him. If they find a fitting way to implement it in the plot I'm all for it and would actually prefer it.

 

[Rorschach2012]

the thing about Hal Jordan is that you can't just throw the guy into the JL movie without any explanation.. sure some people know his deal after seeing the 2011 movie, but i still think he needs his origin thoroughly explained, and putting his origin at the forefront of a JL movie is a good way to do that.

Tie Hal's origin to the threat in JL part 1 , and it wouldn't be convoluted. Abin Sur could be on his way to warn Earth of an impending threat when he's killed by one of Darkseid's pawns or Brainiac .

 

[Nemeres]

Eh. WW and Aquaman as children of gods would make them simple run of the mill demigods... the kind you've seen in Clash of the Titans, Immortals, Hercules and plenty of other same-y mythological fare. I would hope they can come up with something more interesting than that (sure wouldn't take much). Wouldn't it be a cool angle of the Aquaman character if he were a child of two worlds, human dad and Atlantean mom?

Spoiler

The answer is yes. Please no Neptune. Zeus as WW's dad is unoriginal enough.

 

[KillerWolf]

the thing about Hal Jordan is that you can't just throw the guy into the JL movie without any explanation.. sure some people know his deal after seeing the 2011 movie, but i still think he needs his origin thoroughly explained, and putting his origin at the forefront of a JL movie is a good way to do that.

Well idea I had isn't exactly without any explanation, it would just be a bit more brief. Some guy would tell the first part of the story, him being a pilot and disappearing and Jordan, when he appears in front of the League, would explain the second part - everything that happened to him after the abduction, training and all, with flashbacks being shown. He could give more insight in the first part too, and even the first part could be followed by flashbacks. Basically, it would be showing his origin story, it's just that narrative wouldn't be going chronologically in the timeline.

Tie Hal's origin to the threat in JL part 1 , and it wouldn't be convoluted. Abin Sur could be on his way to warn Earth of an impending threat when he's killed by one of Darkseid's pawns or Brainiac .

Still, I do like this more than my idea. It's closer to the comics and works just as well if not better.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I dig your ideas

either way works with me, just as long as Hal's not just thrown into the mix without any explanation.

 

[shauner111]

I find this rumor so weird. I've been thinking about this for months and never said anything on here because i know how the purists are. Aquaman as Poseidon's son since Wonder Woman is the daughter of Zeus. Making them cousins is perfect IMO. A perfect way to tie these two together, their mythologies, in this film universe. Or else it's super random that there's two completely seperate mythologies of Gods/Kings etc. Tying Cyborg and Flash into what has happened with Kryptonian technology, Luthor, etc is a way to tie those characters together somehow (around the same age too).

 

[Rorschach2012]

I find this rumor so weird. I've been thinking about this for months and never said anything on here because i know how the purists are. Aquaman as Poseidon's son since Wonder Woman is the daughter of Zeus. Making them cousins is perfect IMO. A perfect way to tie these two together, their mythologies, in this film universe. Or else it's super random that there's two completely seperate mythologies of Gods/Kings etc. Tying Cyborg and Flash into what has happened with Kryptonian technology, Luthor, etc is a way to tie those characters together somehow (around the same age too).

yeah dude i agree. streamlining this stuff is smart.

he doesn't have to be Poseidon's son but making him a direct descendant works. It's already similar enough to his original origin. Aquaman is the son of an ancient Atlantean wizard, making that dude Poseidon really isn't a big change.

 

[KillerWolf]

I dig your ideas

either way works with me, just as long as Hal's not just thrown into the mix without any explanation.

Thanks!

And yeah, just throwing Hal there would be a terrible approach. Hopefully, they won't decide to rely on people being familiar with 2011 movie. They should be smarter than that and considering that the film wasn't very well received I think they won't do that.

I find this rumor so weird. I've been thinking about this for months and never said anything on here because i know how the purists are. Aquaman as Poseidon's son since Wonder Woman is the daughter of Zeus. Making them cousins is perfect IMO. A perfect way to tie these two together, their mythologies, in this film universe. Or else it's super random that there's two completely seperate mythologies of Gods/Kings etc. Tying Cyborg and Flash into what has happened with Kryptonian technology, Luthor, etc is a way to tie those characters together somehow (around the same age too).

More that I think about it, it makes more sense. I must agree that streamlining like this is the way to go.

And it isn't the case like with Wonder Woman being Kryptonian, that would really make the universe much smaller and less diverse, but overall you basically don't lose anything with this and it still makes for a tighter and more believable storyline.

Though considering the site from which the rumor originated, I don't think it's much more than just a rumor.

 

[Zordan]

that actually goes pretty good with "old gods - new gods" theory of the famous script doctor

 

[shauner111]

The Kryptonian rumor was horrible. But this rumor is amazing.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

I admit, I wouldn't mind it but I don't prefer it.

 

[shauner111]

Momoa and Gadot both have that exotic look to them.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

They do...

 

[KillerWolf]

I admit, I wouldn't mind it but I don't prefer it.

Well, again, purist in me has a bit of a "problem" with any change like this, but from the storytelling point I do like the idea very much. And I am of mind that sometimes some changes have to be made, even unwillingly and against primary instinct, if they help make a better story.

 

[The Sage]

yeah dude i agree. streamlining this stuff is smart.

he doesn't have to be Poseidon's son but making him a direct descendant works. It's already similar enough to his original origin. Aquaman is the son of an ancient Atlantean wizard, making that dude Poseidon really isn't a big change.

Or making that wizard a son or descendant of Poseidon would work as well. Or his mother could be a descendant of Poseidon and his father can still be human. There's a lot of stuff you can do.

 

[shauner111]

With the greek mythology that Snyder has at his fingertips, there's a lot you can do with connecting Diana and Orin. It also adds a lot to Aquaman in this new interpretation. Im sure this ain't yo daddys Aquaman.

 

[Zordan]

so they were getting close to each other here, method acting

 

[brandeezy89]

so they were getting close to each other here, method acting

Forgot about this lol

 

[SpideyFan866]

But for him to be Arthur Curry, his dad would be Tom Curry. Why would they change that?

Well........ something we have to consider is that this could play into the plot of the Aquaman film.

In his solo, Arthur is likely to battle his brother (Orm/Ocean Master) for the Throne of Atlantis. And with the detail of Poseidon being their father (and current King of Atlantis) thrown in (as opposed to a random guard, in the case of Orm, in the New52, and alongside Atlanna as their mother), it'll serve as an important plot point if its revealed that Thomas Curry is Arthur's real father. Thus, giving him no true claim to the throne, as far as Orm is concerned.


Though, they could also go the route of having Curry be the father of Arthur AND Orm, in turn leading to Atlanna's death while they're infants (At the hands of Poseidon). And in turn, making it a threeway battle for the throne

 

[KnightGambit]

Well........ something we have to consider is that this could play into the plot of the Aquaman film.

In his solo, Arthur is likely to battle his brother (Orm/Ocean Master) for the Throne of Atlantis. And with the detail of Poseidon being their father (and current King of Atlantis) thrown in (as opposed to a random guard, in the case of Orm, in the New52, and alongside Atlanna as their mother), it'll serve as an important plot point if its revealed that Thomas Curry is Arthur's real father. Thus, giving him no true claim to the throne, as far as Orm is concerned.


Though, they could also go the route of having Curry be the father of Arthur AND Orm, in turn leading to Atlanna's death while they're infants (At the hands of Poseidon). And in turn, making it a threeway battle for the throne

Just because as of Batman v Superman timeline they mention he is the son of Poseidon doesnt mean he is in the origin. Could be reverse-Loki on the part of Arthur....

 

[dnno1]

Eh. WW and Aquaman as children of gods would make them simple run of the mill demigods... the kind you've seen in Clash of the Titans, Immortals, Hercules and plenty of other same-y mythological fare. I would hope they can come up with something more interesting than that (sure wouldn't take much). Wouldn't it be a cool angle of the Aquaman character if he were a child of two worlds, human dad and Atlantean mom?

Spoiler

The answer is yes. Please no Neptune. Zeus as WW's dad is unoriginal enough.

What if his mother's lineage came from Poseidon? He would still be Wonder Woman's distant cousin and have the same origins from the comics.

 

[B]

I think with Nolan writing and producing MOS, it was thought and assumed by WB that Bale would return for Justice League, and when Nolan was adamant on not continuing, they offered Bale money to return anyway. I think that was definitely the thought process and goal. If not Bale, then Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

Seriously, 4 years ago, we were pretty damn close:

Brandon Routh - Superman
Christian Bale - Batman
Ryan Reynolds - Green Lantern

They needed to cast two more characters and it was all set. Then it all fell apart.

I am so glad this never happened because you'll never be able to convince anyone that Bale's Batman could have existed in the same universe as Routh's Superman & definitely neither could have existed in Reynold's Green Lantern.

All of the films just had completely different tones & neither would have really worked with one another.

We dodged a bullet if this was actually ever on the cards.. as much as I'd love to have seen Bale as Batman in a JLA film, it would have damaged that trilogy to have God like heroes like Superman exist in the same world.

Batman can work in a Superman world though on the big screen if he's done correctly & given a bit more.. scientific & clever mind than we've seen before so he's at least got some attributes that put him on par with heroes are vastly more powerful.

 

[GreenKToo]

They need to go old school and get some Apache Chief up in this.

oh yeaah...Eh-neeek-chock t:

 

[matt47]

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/575307/20141209/batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-plot-spoilers.htm#.VIZ4sjGUeAk

- Gordon is dead
- Two major fight scenes in Gotham; Superman comes looking for Batman & 3rd act battle
- Bruce has been Batman for 17 years

oh and this was at the end of the article -
Besides Henry Cavill, Ben Affleck and James Spader, "Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice" stars
hahahahaha oh dear...