BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 3

[souperman]

If it ain't broke don't fix it. It works to illustrate the point.

No it don't!

Only if you like to ignore the fact that 'Noooooooooo' moment is regarded as one of the cheesiest bad acting moments of the Star Wars prequels.

which one? Darth's or Luke's? both were cheesy but accepted.

 

[Predator jp]

those who hate 'Noooooooooo' moment just don't get the deeper layers of that scene.

 

[The Joker]

which one? Darth's or Luke's? both were cheesy but accepted.

Darth's of course. Luke didn't have one in the prequels since he was only born at the end of the third one.

those who hate 'Noooooooooo' moment just don't get the deeper layers of that scene.

 

[Reel-Man]

I love how people went out of their way to explain it to you, step by step, down to the very little details and all you do is reply sheeply with that idiotic image and ignore everything that was put on a plate in front of you. Just shows that some people don't care about logic, even if it makes sense. You're so set on being part of the collective that thinks it's hilarious to mock a powerful scene that YOU failed horribly to understand. Keep posting photos of other people mocking it to prove your "point". Sheep mentality at its worst on forums.

 

[Sleiek]

"It's just stupid"

Move on.

 

[The Joker]

I love how people went out of their way to explain it to you, step by step, down to the very little details and all you do is reply sheeply with that idiotic image and ignore everything that was put on a plate in front of you. Just shows that some people don't care about logic, even if it makes sense. You're so set on being part of the collective that thinks it's hilarious to mock a powerful scene that YOU failed horribly to understand. Keep posting photos of other people mocking it to prove your "point". Sheep mentality at its worst on forums.

I love how you think people explaining why they think it works, means it works the same way for everyone. As if explaining why a bad and terribly executed scene is magically erased as made good because we know what they were trying but failed to do with the scene.

I'm so sorry 'the sheep mentality' won't bend to your way of thinking. Poor diddums. You'll get over it.

 

[Flint Marko]

I love how you think people explaining why they think it works, means it works the same way for everyone. As if explaining why a bad and terribly executed scene is magically erased as being good because we know what they were trying but failed to do with the scene.

I'm so sorry 'the sheep mentality' won't bend to your way of thinking. Poor diddums. You'll get over it.

Come on the Joker, it's on you to understand this powerful scene.

 

[Reel-Man]

I love how you think people explaining why they think it works, means it works the same way for everyone. As if explaining why a bad and terribly executed scene is magically erased as made good because we know what they were trying but failed to do with the scene.

I'm so sorry 'the sheep mentality' won't bend to your way of thinking. Poor diddums. You'll get over it.

That's your opinion, not a fact. No worries life goes on and it won't be a forum disagreement that will lose me any sleep. Pool time now, good day (Fez voice).

 

[souperman]

Come on the Joker, it's on you to understand this powerful scene.

Finally you get it!

Thank goodness...

 

[The Joker]

Come on the Joker, it's on you to understand this powerful scene.

That's your opinion, not a fact. No worries life goes on and it won't be a forum disagreement that will lose me any sleep. Pool time now, good day (Fez voice).

I know it's an opinion, not a fact. You'd do well to remember the same about your 'explanations' of the Martha scene, and not get hot under the collar when 'the sheep mentality' as you called us don't share your opinion.

 

[roach]

is this still going on?

 

[Limonade]

I know it's an opinion, not a fact. You'd do well to remember the same about your 'explanations' of the Martha scene, and not get hot under the collar when 'the sheep mentality' as you called us don't share your opinion.

*mic drop*

 

[BestGirl]

It's more than a little awkward that, after hearing the name Martha, Bruce realizes that he's becoming Joe Chill and resolves to change...only to have him blow away a bunch of goons in the next scene.* Maybe that's why so many people are having trouble understanding the Martha moment.

*This move is especially dumb when you consider that killing the goons as loudly as possible should've resulted in Martha's death when her kidnappers inside realized that a rescue attempt was underway.

 

[Binker]

Everyone has their own opinions on the Martha moment. Hell, there is a site all about DKR, and he did a DKR vs BvS topic, and he praised the Martha part.

I just want the discussion to end and never be brought up again. Maybe its not dumb, maybe its the stupid people who won't live and accept it who are making it dumb.

 

[Legendver2]

It's weird to me that all of a sudden, movie logic matters for this specific film, when every other film in history has the same unrealistic movie logic. I can understand the difference in opinion on what you thought about the Martha scene, but when you start complaining about the fact Batman taking out goons loudly should've signaled the bad guys to kill Martha, c'mon now. How many other action films in the history of films have that exact same scenario?

 

[Tra-El]

is this still going on?

Which is why I only posted twice and browsed since Marcht:

 

[Tra-El]

It's more than a little awkward that, after hearing the name Martha, Bruce realizes that he's becoming Joe Chill and resolves to change...only to have him blow away a bunch of goons in the next scene.* Maybe that's why so many people are having trouble understanding the Martha moment.

I don't think Bruce's anger was quenched during the Martha moment. If anything, his anger itensified by being played in hindsight of his short-sighted hate towards Superman. His hate shifted at that very moment with the pressure of saving ones mother (a personal physiological redemption.) At that point, the focus was to work fast and furiously until the good deed of saving Martha was done. It was more of a realization of being on the wrong side of Justice when dealing with an helpless innocent. At that point in time, he realized his hatred for an alien was misguided. The moment Lois tells Bruce Martha is his mother, he immediately steps out of his trance and for the first time, see's Kal on the same relatable platform he never thought possible.

The first true sighting of Bruce holding back and changing his brutal ways was after the fact of witnessing Superman's sacrifice which proved to him that men are still good (A common theme of the movie) and not branding Lex in prison. Superman's sacrifice was a part of Bruce's change of his crime fighting philosophy while the Martha moment was the beginning of his own redemption mentally.

Atleast that's how I always viewed it. I'm sure many won't feel the same but that's okay too.

 

[Sleiek]

Finally you get it!

Thank goodness...

Anyway just ordered my 3D Bluray from BestBuy. Will probably be delivered to me next week. Can't wait even though I saw the extended edition once already.

Anyone got the 3D version? Is the 3D any good?

 

[WoodyROM]

is this still going on?

I leave for 3 months and come back to the same ****.

 

[morningmimosa]

Man, people who keep saying the same thing over and over again every single day for months about a movie they hate ... could you please give me your spare time so at least I can do something productive with it?

 

[Lantern Venom]

I just purchased the Ultimate Cut and--WOW--it does wonders for the story's cohesion. Of course, it didn't undo the neurotic, chihuahua-like acting of Eisenberg or the sloppy shoehorning of Wonder Woman in the the film, but it put the focus back on the DCEU's cornerstone, Cav-El. The UE bumps the film to an 8.5/10 rating. While the movie was indeed long, I'm stumped as to why so many edits of valuable narrative were made in the TE.

While I know many critics and fans bemoaned Superman's contemplative nature in BvS, I thought it worked very well for the theme of the movie. The UE enhanced that even further when Supes saved people after the Congressional hearing, only to realize that body counts and increasing controversy followed him everywhere he went. Of course he didn't walk around with a goober grin when he realized that being a hero was so costly.

The big fight scene with Supes and Bats seemed more even and dramatic to me this time around. I'm not sure if more shots were included or if I was able to process it better solely because I stopped a few shots to see them in slo-mo. Lastly, while I wish the Bat Butt scene wasn't on the UE at all, at least it was mercifully short.

 

[batfreakforever]

The bvs ultimate cut is the real film. The tc is the hacked up version. It should really be known as the studio version because Zacs is definitely the ultimate version because that's what was shot and in the script and making of books. I believe that theses Batman and Superman do kill when the need to. Superman didn't get upset in Man of steel because he killed Zod. That didn't matter. He got up set because Zod was the last of krypton apart from Kal himself and Superman cut the remaining living tie to his home planet. That why he also kills the general in bvs at the start because he doesn't mind killing if he has to he just didn't kill the men he was blamed for in bvs. This Batman has always killed too. Its the branding that's too far because that's making him judge jury and executioner. Batman only kills in when he feels he needs to also. In the ultimate cut he walks up to him slowly the man he stabbed in the shoulder and then brakes something else but we don't exactly see what he did. I don't believe he killed him. Also he kills in the Batmobile chase because he feels he needs to. This Batman doesn't f around. He needs to get the k rock to defeat Superman and he thinks the world is at stake and will do anything to get that. Same apply when he saves Martha. He kills the goons who fire at him outside the warehouse from the batplane. He doesn't have time. If Martha dies then Superman might lose his !@#$ and snap. He's seen it. Be it Martha or Lois. Plus he made a promise to Superman. Remember this isn't 1938.

 

[Paradox1]

Darth's of course. Luke didn't have one in the prequels since he was only born at the end of the third one.

Luke has his nooooo line in Empire strikes back.

 

[TheBat812]

I think the line: How many stayed that way" is the key. He is worried that even tho Superman is good now...he "could" change. Many wars are started from the belief that the enemy "might" do something. The "side of right then becomes the side of wrong which is the very heart and bases of the film. Nobody stays good in this world...

At least that's how I read it.

Yes. Exactly. Batman never expresses the idea that Superman is bad or evil now, but that he has seen good men go bad and he needs to deal with what he thinks will inevitably become an unbeatble threat while hes still able to.

 

[souperman]

Yes. Exactly. Batman never expresses the idea that Superman is bad or evil now, but that he has seen good men go bad and he needs to deal with what he thinks will inevitably become an unbeatble threat while hes still able to.

Very true...

Reminds me of this great line.

MITCHELL: You should have killed me while you could, James. Command and compassion is a fool's mixture...

Also parallels: Kirk did not kill him when he first could... Doubt or hope that he could change...just like Batman's fear of Superman.