BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 3

[TheVileOne]

Just in terms of problems that aren't fixed by the Ultimate Cut, the first actual Batman fight in the movie is that awkward Knightmare sequence. There needed to be a proper introductory Batman scene earlier on. Should've done it in the scene where he takes down the human traffickers instead of focusing on the cops.

The other problem is there's just so much other stuff going on taking away from the Batman vs. Superman conflict. The Ultimate Cut has more of this and Clark Kent actually investigating Batman. That's a plus. But I feel like there isn't a fully realized arc here where we have the Immovable Object meets the Unstoppable Force.

I think one possible root of these problems is that WB wouldn't have the patience to properly build this franchise. What this series needed was a proper Batman setup film before this one. That way you aren't wasting all this extra time in properly introducing Batman, Bruce Wayne, Alfred, etc. All that ground work has been laid down. It builds the anticipation of Batman meeting Superman to a greater degree.

Wonder Woman didn't really need to be here either. Her role in the film is marginal at best and she's easily cut.

I would say the other problem that isn't fixed here is that Superman still isn't all that different from Batman here. His position on Batman makes no sense. Unfortunately, we haven't seen a Superman who is this light and upbeat and positive character. We don't see enough of Superman in his element rescuing civilians, taking down crooks WITHOUT bashing them through walls. And we don't see his parents instilling him with positive compassionate values. It's almost like Hyperion in Squadron Supreme. You don't see any of the gentlemen smalltown Kansas values you expect his parents to instill in him.

Other problems. Lois Lane is finding all this condemning evidence hinting at the fact that Lex Luthor is targeting and trying to frame Superman and the fact that Luthor knows about their connection, and she never once shares this with Clark when she has the opportunity. Her willfully ignoring and neglecting to mention these things to her lover and boyfriend make no sense.

 

[AnneFan]

Saw this comment on a Youtube clip which is interesting:

So for anyone wondering about the horse, its not random, its a motif. Besides this scene you see or here about a horse at the capital bombing, pa kent's story, and superman's funeral. Each one deals with a character failing to prevent a catastrophe that they feel guilty over. Batman not saving his employees, superman not preventing the bomb, Jonathan kent not stopping the flood, batman failing superman.

 

[TheVileOne]

I thought it was more about how you can act heroically and do things with the best of intentions but in the big picture it can still create ripples, but it wasn't really stated effectively.

Jonathan Kent didn't feel guilty over preventing a catastrophe. He prevented one catastrophe and saved a farm, but in doing so he only caused another. So even though Clark is trying to do good by saving people, committing those acts can still have consequences.

I could be wrong, that was just my reading.

 

[Micromind]

Saw this comment on a Youtube clip which is interesting:

There's also a horse statue (with one lex) in Lex Luthor's Father's study room.

 

[Sleiek]

Does anyone know the significance behind the fourth jet flying straight up during the Superman ceremony?

 

[Erzengel]

Missing man formation. In memory for a fallen comrade.

 

[Sleiek]

Wow. I didn't know that. Thanks!

 

[Micromind]

BVS Ultimate Edition Bluray is selling like hot cakes.

Batman V Superman shoots to top of disc Charts

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

BVS Ultimate Edition Bluray is selling like hot cakes.

Batman V Superman shoots to top of disc Charts

i believe it

went to the Best Buy by my work the other day and all they had in stock were a few DVD copies

no blu-ray version to be found

 

[Limonade]

Just in terms of problems that aren't fixed by the Ultimate Cut, the first actual Batman fight in the movie is that awkward Knightmare sequence. There needed to be a proper introductory Batman scene earlier on. Should've done it in the scene where he takes down the human traffickers instead of focusing on the cops.

The other problem is there's just so much other stuff going on taking away from the Batman vs. Superman conflict. The Ultimate Cut has more of this and Clark Kent actually investigating Batman. That's a plus. But I feel like there isn't a fully realized arc here where we have the Immovable Object meets the Unstoppable Force.

I think one possible root of these problems is that WB wouldn't have the patience to properly build this franchise. What this series needed was a proper Batman setup film before this one. That way you aren't wasting all this extra time in properly introducing Batman, Bruce Wayne, Alfred, etc. All that ground work has been laid down. It builds the anticipation of Batman meeting Superman to a greater degree.

Wonder Woman didn't really need to be here either. Her role in the film is marginal at best and she's easily cut.

I would say the other problem that isn't fixed here is that Superman still isn't all that different from Batman here. His position on Batman makes no sense. Unfortunately, we haven't seen a Superman who is this light and upbeat and positive character. We don't see enough of Superman in his element rescuing civilians, taking down crooks WITHOUT bashing them through walls. And we don't see his parents instilling him with positive compassionate values. It's almost like Hyperion in Squadron Supreme. You don't see any of the gentlemen smalltown Kansas values you expect his parents to instill in him.

Other problems. Lois Lane is finding all this condemning evidence hinting at the fact that Lex Luthor is targeting and trying to frame Superman and the fact that Luthor knows about their connection, and she never once shares this with Clark when she has the opportunity. Her willfully ignoring and neglecting to mention these things to her lover and boyfriend make no sense.

I agree that Wonder Woman wasn't necessary in the film.

But it did begin to bring in a few critics of hers on board to the upcoming movie. Her trailer in SDCC then simply reinforced those beliefs that she is capable of doing the role justice, and brought even more interest into the movie.

Her cameo served a different purpose than the story required. And it worked well enough.

It's also the same strategy that Marvel took with Spider-man.

 

[chintai80]

yup, wonder woman's cameo is a gateway drug to her movie.

and zack snyder has been quoted in saying ww's movie is going to be the gateway drug to the larger dceu.

 

[kguillou]

I know this is kind of a trivial thing but the montage that plays on the Blu Ray menu and the music...EPIC. Best Blu Ray menu since The Avengers.

 

[TheVileOne]

I agree that Wonder Woman wasn't necessary in the film.

But it did begin to bring in a few critics of hers on board to the upcoming movie. Her trailer in SDCC then simply reinforced those beliefs that she is capable of doing the role justice, and brought even more interest into the movie.

Her cameo served a different purpose than the story required. And it worked well enough.

It's also the same strategy that Marvel took with Spider-man.

It's not a major hill I feel like dying on. Yeah it helped sell her movie. However, it also adds to the overall problems in this one in making it feel over-stuffed. Trying to do too many things at once. Civil War had a lot of characters and a lot going on, but keep in mind, all those other characters were already pre-established in other films that could focus on them.

Also, I have also said that even Spider-Man is easily cut from Civil War. He's really not needed in the story at all, but people like him so much in the movie and he looks cool so there you go. But the rest of the movie good too, other than a weak villain in Zemo who was the casualty of having such a crowded movie with so many characters and subplots.

But if Wonder Woman's movie does well, yeah I guess it did its job.

 

[Mace Dolex]

Is it just me or are the picture quality of DVD's getting worse? I tend to but movies on DVD/BR combo sets because at work ill watch a DVD on a portable player and man the PQ is atrocious.

 

[Sleiek]

It's possible. With so many compression technologies in order to save time and space, that could deteriorate DVD quality movies.

I can't tell anymore because once I moved to HD, all SD videos look like **** to me.

 

[Micromind]

Is it just me or are the picture quality of DVD's getting worse? I tend to but movies on DVD/BR combo sets because at work ill watch a DVD on a portable player and man the PQ is atrocious.

Older DVD's do look better than current ones, maybe adding 7.1 channel audio track has taken up space and reduced the space for the video part.

 

[rashad]

‘Batman v Superman’ Shoots to Top of Disc Charts

To counter some of the backlash, almost immediately upon the “BvS” theatrical debut in March the studio touted that a three-hour extended cut of the film would eventually be released on home video. That version received much acclaim from fans and its existence seems to have driven some of the title’s home video success. The extended cut is available only on the “Ultimate Edition” Blu-ray copies of the movie, not the standalone DVD version, and the first week of release for “Batman v Superman” saw 70% of its copies sold coming from the Blu-ray format — one of the highest first-week Blu-ray percentages ever for a major theatrical release new to disc (the record is the 83% put up by “Star Wars: The Force Awakens” earlier this year).

 

[Aquafinn90]

Just in terms of problems that aren't fixed by the Ultimate Cut, the first actual Batman fight in the movie is that awkward Knightmare sequence. There needed to be a proper introductory Batman scene earlier on. Should've done it in the scene where he takes down the human traffickers instead of focusing on the cops.

The other problem is there's just so much other stuff going on taking away from the Batman vs. Superman conflict. The Ultimate Cut has more of this and Clark Kent actually investigating Batman. That's a plus. But I feel like there isn't a fully realized arc here where we have the Immovable Object meets the Unstoppable Force.

I think one possible root of these problems is that WB wouldn't have the patience to properly build this franchise. What this series needed was a proper Batman setup film before this one. That way you aren't wasting all this extra time in properly introducing Batman, Bruce Wayne, Alfred, etc. All that ground work has been laid down. It builds the anticipation of Batman meeting Superman to a greater degree.

Wonder Woman didn't really need to be here either. Her role in the film is marginal at best and she's easily cut.

I would say the other problem that isn't fixed here is that Superman still isn't all that different from Batman here. His position on Batman makes no sense. Unfortunately, we haven't seen a Superman who is this light and upbeat and positive character. We don't see enough of Superman in his element rescuing civilians, taking down crooks WITHOUT bashing them through walls. And we don't see his parents instilling him with positive compassionate values. It's almost like Hyperion in Squadron Supreme. You don't see any of the gentlemen smalltown Kansas values you expect his parents to instill in him.

Other problems. Lois Lane is finding all this condemning evidence hinting at the fact that Lex Luthor is targeting and trying to frame Superman and the fact that Luthor knows about their connection, and she never once shares this with Clark when she has the opportunity. Her willfully ignoring and neglecting to mention these things to her lover and boyfriend make no sense.

I have zero issues with them "rushing" the DCEU as I hardly feel its "rushed" - I actually thought having Batman be the main antagonist to Superman based on the events of MOS was a stroke of brilliance. WW may not be "necessary" but she was handled very well and her coming back to man's world to investigate what Lex has on her and finding that he's researching other meta-humans felt like a pretty organic way to introduce/gather the rest of the members honestly.

I do agree that Superman doesn't seem as different as Batman as he should- and this is coming from someone who loves this version of Superman, but in terms of story, I take issue with him blasting the warlord through a wall when he's supposedly upset with the way Batman handles criminals.

As for Lois not telling Superman Lex as behind it all- she only had one opportunity to tell him that, and she does try to(on balcony after Senate bombing), however it could've been done better in that she doesn't seem very pressed to tell him.

Overall though, the UC to me is a 9/10- I absolutely love this movie

 

[flickchick85]

Older DVD's do look better than current ones, maybe adding 7.1 channel audio track has taken up space and reduced the space for the video part.

Or it's a conspiracy to push people towards blu-ray.

 

[AnneFan]

Is it just me or are the picture quality of DVD's getting worse? I tend to but movies on DVD/BR combo sets because at work ill watch a DVD on a portable player and man the PQ is atrocious.

I haven't watched DVD in years. If you really love movies, Blu Ray is the only way to go. DVD looks like a grainy blur in comparison.

 

[CB Fan]

Watching this for the first time since I last saw it in theaters I liked the things that are expanded upon, especially giving Lois more to do. I'm still not a fan of the film but the extra 30 mins does help the story a bit more. Nothing can save that "Joker meets Jim Carreys Riddler" Lex Luthor and Batman killing will never sit right with me.

 

[batfreakforever]

After seeing the UE the theatrical version, which I loved too now seems like a highlight reel because now I know there is missing scenes here and there and cuts and dialogue and action beats missing also. There's just so much more now. Some things are mind-boggling on why they would cut those things but others are completely understandable like why even cut Batman pulling off the tarp off the bat signal but I understand why some violence was cut or some of the political sub plots were cut.
Batman killing I have no problems with or him plotting to kill Superman because they are both completely understandable for this Batmans character.
Imagine doing all this for 20 plus years and really just getting nowhere the results you wanted and you partner/ward gets killed because of your own rules mixed with the gotham justice system. Its a logical human response in his postition and having to go through all that without facing someone like Superman then with Batman seeing the damage Superman can cause even when trying to save people with human collateral damage which happens to also be some of his employees and that little girl losing her mother he says screw that imagine what would happen if this dude turned bad.
He has seen good guys turn bad.
Harvey dent and countless others that wasn't superhuman.
Yes I'd be !@#$/&ing paranoid too. Its completely understandable for Batman to feel that way but we all know Batman is wrong about Superman.
I loved the Martha scene. Didn't click that they both had the same mothers name and I've been reading and watching DC all my life.

 

[sf2]

Watching this for the first time since I last saw it in theaters I liked the things that are expanded upon, especially giving Lois more to do. I'm still not a fan of the film but the extra 30 mins does help the story a bit more. Nothing can save that "Joker meets Jim Carreys Riddler" Lex Luthor and Batman killing will never sit right with me.

[YT]https://youtube.com/hUqGwnAolSs[/YT]
go to 1.40 min

 

[Tvar10]

The UC really makes you feel bad for Superman and kind of makes more sense as to why he was so pouty. The scene where he was taking bodies out of the US Capitol building was really emotional.

Also I liked how during the Batman Superman fight was continuous. It made it seem longer and have more impact. There was no Anderson Cooper saying "Thank God all the workers left" and reiterating the fact that the buildings were empty.

I also liked Clark investigating and going to Gotham and the whole angle about Lex framing Superman with the actress and Wally.

All and all the UC was a better movie. It added scenes that should have been in the movie and were pretty integral to the plot.

The one thing I didnt understand much was why the returned checks and capitol explosion set Bruce off. Superman didnt send him the letters and wasnt responsible for the explosion...

 

[Filmfan93]

Finally watched the UC. Those additional scenes really flesh out more Superman as a character and his motivation. And they also improve the overall quality of the film as well as the editing and pacing.

WB really made a mistake of not releasing this cut to theaters for the sake of more screenings.