BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 3

[Micromind]

The UC really makes you feel bad for Superman and kind of makes more sense as to why he was so pouty. The scene where he was taking bodies out of the US Capitol building was really emotional.

Also I liked how during the Batman Superman fight was continuous. It made it seem longer and have more impact. There was no Anderson Cooper saying "Thank God all the workers left" and reiterating the fact that the buildings were empty.

I also liked Clark investigating and going to Gotham and the whole angle about Lex framing Superman with the actress and Wally.

All and all the UC was a better movie. It added scenes that should have been in the movie and were pretty integral to the plot.

The one thing I didnt understand much was why the returned checks and capitol explosion set Bruce off. Superman didn't send him the letters and wasnt responsible for the explosion...

Because of this -

Wallace Keefy was a former Wayne enterprises employee.
Many WB employees died when Zod attacked and Batman blames Superman for that and also himself for failing to protect them (feeling of rage, helplessness) similar to how he felt when Robin died as Batman failed to protect him.

Keefy was just a reminder of all that, the returned checks showed that Bruce failed to look after him, so now Batman has to do what's necessary, that is eliminate the 1 % chance that some Kryptonian will attack again.

 

[Flint Marko]

Finally saw the UC. Not sure how this version fixes any of the movies issues.

Lex's plan is still the definition of convoluted, his motivations are only ever hinted at through pretentious nonsense that sound like it was written by a freshman in Philosophy 101, and the performance is unbearable.

Clark gets more screen time but is still wooden and boring. It's amazing just how much of an after thought this character is in his own movie - that was true in MoS, and it remains true in this supposed "improved" cut. The only thing of value in this extended edition in regards to his character was the phone call with his mom, but it's too little too late.

Lois Lane is probably my least favorite part of this entire franchise, and that says a lot. Her and Henry never had any chemistry, but the attempts to give her something useful to do in this extended cut only serve to further highlight how useless and obligatory the character is. She spends the whole movie figuring out what we the audience already know, she's always there right when the script needs her to be to move the plot forward, and her "big moment" in the climax is saving the Kryptonite spear that she herself threw in the water. The only thing I like about the character are the hilariously heavy-handed attempts to remind us how tough she is ("I'm not a lady I'm a journalist").

All in all, this isn't an improvement. It's just a longer version of a broken movie that is hinged on a contrived, poorly dramatized conflict. All the main issues are still here - the editing is terrible, the script is ponderous, the characters are an after thought. I could keep going, but you get it by now. This movie deserved the poor reception it recieved, and I'm convinced that this extended cut would not have gone over much better.

 

[gdw]

I have zero issues with them "rushing" the DCEU as I hardly feel its "rushed" - I actually thought having Batman be the main antagonist to Superman based on the events of MOS was a stroke of brilliance. WW may not be "necessary" but she was handled very well and her coming back to man's world to investigate what Lex has on her and finding that he's researching other meta-humans felt like a pretty organic way to introduce/gather the rest of the members honestly.

I do agree that Superman doesn't seem as different as Batman as he should- and this is coming from someone who loves this version of Superman, but in terms of story, I take issue with him blasting the warlord through a wall when he's supposedly upset with the Batman handles criminals.

As for Lois not telling Superman Lex as behind it all- she only had one opportunity to tell him that, and she does try to(on balcony after Senate bombing), however it could've been done better in that she doesn't seem very pressed to tell him.

Overall though, the UC to me is a 9/10- I absolutely love this movie

Pretty much how I feel.

As much as I love WW, and liked how she was handled, she was, ultimately, not necessary for the film.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Finally saw the UC. Not sure how this version fixes any of the movies issues.

Lex's plan is still the definition of convoluted, his motivations are only ever hinted at through pretentious nonsense that sound like it was written by a freshman in Philosophy 101, and the performance is unbearable.

Clark gets more screen time but is still wooden and boring. It's amazing just how much of an after thought this character is in his own movie - that was true in MoS, and it remains true in this supposed "improved" cut. The only thing of value in this extended edition in regards to his character was the phone call with his mom, but it's too little too late.

Lois Lane is probably my least favorite part of this entire franchise, and that says a lot. Her and Henry never had any chemistry, but the attempts to give her something useful to do in this extended cut only serve to further highlight how useless and obligatory the character is. She spends the whole movie figuring out what we the audience already know, she's always there right when the script needs her to be to move the plot forward, and her "big moment" in the climax is saving the Kryptonite spear that she herself threw in the water. The only thing I like about the character are the hilariously heavy-handed attempts to remind us how tough she is ("I'm not a lady I'm a journalist").

All in all, this isn't an improvement. It's just a longer version of a broken movie that is hinged on a contrived, poorly dramatized conflict. All the main issues are still here - the editing is terrible, the script is ponderous, the characters are an after thought. I could keep going, but you get it by now. This movie deserved the poor reception it recieved, and I'm convinced that this extended cut would not have gone over much better.

Absolutely shocked that you find the UC terrible considering you are in here on an almost daily basis to remind everyone how awful you find the movie to be. The UC was never gonna sway anyone with as much hatred of the movie as you seem to have.

 

[Sleiek]

I am not surprised one bit.

 

[DarkKnight]

WOW!!!! I got the BvS UC for my birthday from the wife. (Birthday was over the weekend).
First let me start off by saying I was a fan of BvS even during the theatrical release and though I loved the film then I did understand some of the editing and cut complaints.

I cant remember what my initial rating of BvS was after seeing it in the theaters but I'm confident in saying I believe I rated it an 8 out of 10.
BvS UC shot my score up. I now give this film a very Solid 9.5 outta 10.

The UC gave me what I felt was missing. I love how it showed more Clark investigating The Batman, I love it showed more of what happened in Africa and how it explained more of the Superman being "setup" and how that Lex had paid off that woman and how she tried to come clean and etc. I loved how it showed Superman helping after the court explosion. just to name a few.

I love this film even more and also happy to see some people liking it more thanks to this cut.

I know the film still has its haters and I don't mean that negatively, to each their own. But I Love it even more now and very happy with it.
I hope WB learned their lesson and let the cuts the directors intend on letting the view see be released.

 

[chintai80]

yea i felt they should've released the UC in theaters instead.
it still has some bad writing and story logic, but it fixes the major issues the TC had - which is mainly pacing, editing, and story flow.

the studio probably felt it would not be prudent to release a 3 hour superhero movie. but then they've had lord of the rings before.

i think part of my enjoyment of the UC is that i can sit at home to watch it on blu-ray. relax and absorb the movie on my own because it is a pretty big info dump.

 

[CB Fan]

[YT]https://youtube.com/hUqGwnAolSs[/YT]
go to 1.40 min

That means nothing to me.

 

[DCW]

Absolutely shocked that you find the UC terrible considering you are in here on an almost daily basis to remind everyone how awful you find the movie to be. The UC was never gonna sway anyone with as much hatred of the movie as you seem to have.

I am not surprised one bit.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

yea i felt they should've released the UC in theaters instead.
it still has some bad writing and story logic, but it fixes the major issues the TC had - which is mainly pacing, editing, and story flow.

the studio probably felt it would not be prudent to release a 3 hour superhero movie. but then they've had lord of the rings before.

i think part of my enjoyment of the UC is that i can sit at home to watch it on blu-ray. relax and absorb the movie on my own because it is a pretty big info dump.

Yeah it's a tough call for me, because 2.5 hours is about all I'm really willing to sit in a theater for before I start getting antsy to leave. But, in the comfort of my home where I can pause or watch the movie in chunks, I want it to be as long as humanly possible lol. I'm a binge watcher, and TV series have completely ruined movies for me, there's just not enough time in a film to get that real character and plot development I need. Like, a story like BvS could have completely benefitted from extra time.


I almost wish they would just do your typical big budget action films for the DC movie Universe, with a seperate HBO series universe with a tone like the films that really studies the characters, similar to Game Of Thrones. GoT just wouldn't work as well if it were a movie series.

 

[Forever Evil]

Yep. BIG fan of the UE.

Much more cohesive and the editing was a lot smoother too.

Loved that slightly extended scene with Batman and Lex. He's off to Arkham!

 

[TheVileOne]

I have zero issues with them "rushing" the DCEU as I hardly feel its "rushed" - I actually thought having Batman be the main antagonist to Superman based on the events of MOS was a stroke of brilliance. WW may not be "necessary" but she was handled very well and her coming back to man's world to investigate what Lex has on her and finding that he's researching other meta-humans felt like a pretty organic way to introduce/gather the rest of the members honestly.

Except he wasn't a main antagonist here at all and wasn't written as an antagonist at all. Batman is given more focus in the theatrical cut than Superman is.

 

[Filmfan93]

Did anyone notice that in the UC there is 4-5 seconds added scene in the Batman/Superman fight, where Supes basically throws Batman one additional time to the ground? It's right before he flies him to the building in the beginning of the fight.

I am wondering why they added this, as it is almost unnoticeable and adds almost nothing to that fight.

 

[gdw]

Did anyone notice that in the UC there is 4-5 seconds added scene in the Batman/Superman fight, where Supes basically throws Batman one additional time to the ground? It's right before he flies him to the building in the beginning of the fight.

I am wondering why they added this, as it is almost unnoticeable and adds almost nothing to that fight.

Yeah, this I actually really did NOT like. In the TC, this moment felt like the moment Superman realizes Batman is not going to listen, and the fight really begins. Adding in the extra throw puts an added pause after, and another moment where you're waiting wondering 'why the hell doesn't he just say something now?'

It needs to feel like there's simply no more talking, and no more time to waste. Adding this extra toss in completely undermines those two facets of the fight.

 

[souperman]

Yeah, this I actually really did NOT like. In the TC, this moment felt like the moment Superman realizes Batman is not going to listen, and the fight really begins. Adding in the extra throw puts an added pause after, and another moment where you're waiting wondering 'why the hell doesn't he just say something now?'

It needs to feel like there's simply no more talking, and no more time to waste. Adding this extra toss in completely undermines those two facets of the fight.

That throw is where the damage to the front of the Batsuit comes from...where Superman grabs the suit with one hand.

I think the fight started with ok provocation. Supes had to get his attention.

The second throw, crashing him thru the building and the 100 yard throw thru the Batsignal to the roof was a little over the top for the reasoning given.

Sure, Superman was understandably worried and upset for his mother...but they (both Snyder AND Terrio) should have had Superman continue to plead with Batman AS he thru him around. That's all it would have taken. Even a dubbed in voice of Superman repeating "shes loosing time" or "Bruce PLEASE !"... "I don't want to fight you!" Really anything would have solidified the fact that Superman was really trying to defuse the situation.

S lands:
B- Well here I am.
S- Bruce ... I was wrong. You have to listen to me,- Lex wants to...

Sonic device:
S: You don't understand! There's no time!
B: I understand!

S: Pushes Batman.

Machine guns catch Superman off guard. They seem to "hurt" or annoy Superman at first. My understanding of it is that when taken by surprise, Supes is more "sensitive" to pain or pressure. If you watch, he at first is squinting and covering up, then he stands tall and rises up - invulnerable and god-like. I imagine it's like he flexes his power muscle and becomes more powerful if that makes sense. Like tensing muscles when you know you are about to get hit.

Superman gets annoyed and being in a hurry he charges Batman.

S: You have to listen to me! I don't want to fight you! (dubbed and added)

S: Grabs the armor lifting him with one hand and throws him.

When Batman stands again he is still defiant. Batman should have said something. With his back to the camera as Superman approaches they could have dubbed:

B: ...One of us is is not leaving here alive tonight!

Superman approaching, hears this and sees that it will take more convincing to "soften" his opponents resolve into listening so he grabs Batman and fly's him thru the roof.

S: Stay down...

etc.

Easy fix...

Just a thought.

 

[Naked Shia]

Absolutely shocked that you find the UC terrible considering you are in here on an almost daily basis to remind everyone how awful you find the movie to be. The UC was never gonna sway anyone with as much hatred of the movie as you seem to have.

How many times do you people need to read his post to understand he's just a troll? You know what they say? don't feed the troll.

 

[The Joker]

Absolutely shocked that you find the UC terrible considering you are in here on an almost daily basis to remind everyone how awful you find the movie to be. The UC was never gonna sway anyone with as much hatred of the movie as you seem to have.

The UC is only liked if people already liked the TC.

How many times do you people need to read his post to understand he's just a troll? You know what they say? don't feed the troll.

Disliking the movie does not make him a troll. This is not a fan forum. Critical opinions are as much at home here as positive ones.

 

[Naked Shia]

The UC is only liked if people already liked the TC.

not true, a lot of people who bashed the TC loved the UC, even on this board.

Disliking the movie does not make him a troll. This is not a fan forum. Critical opinions are as much at home here as positive ones.

Indeed, I agree with you. but when you spend months bashing a movie you hated like he does, on the Trollometer, you're a certified troll.

 

[The Joker]

Indeed, I agree with you. but when you spend months bashing a movie you hated like he does, on the Trollometer, you're a certified troll.

If that classified as being a troll he'd have joined the legion of prickly BvS fans who were banned. C. Lee and the other mods have zero tolerance for trolling of any kind here. Whether it's trying to incite Marvel vs DC wars, to name calling, to spamming.

I have been coming here for months criticizing this movie, too. So have many other posters. It doesn't make us trolls. There's as much validity in enjoying critical discussions as there is in repeating the same praises over and over.

Flint Marko has been a member here for 10 years. If he was known for trolling forums he'd never have made it past 2006. In all the years I've known him I've never seen him get so much as a verbal warning. There's no need to get salty with him just because the UC failed to win him over, as if that's an anomaly or something.

 

[Naked Shia]

I don't care about the UC not winning him over. But there are people here who have been vocals about disliking the movie without making me feel they were trolls. Everything he says scream troll.

Although an argument can be made about your "only people who liked the TC love the UC", especially when you see this kind of article: http://variety.com/2016/digital/news/batman-v-superman-shoots-to-top-of-disc-charts-1201825810/

It seems the whole "everybody in the whole world but two hardcore DC fans hated BvS" is simply not true. And yet, some people keep claiming it is.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

The UC is only liked if people already liked the TC.

I wouldn't know but apparently you asked everyone in the world who has seen the UC and came to that conclusion. Well done. Perhaps there are some people who didn't like the TC originally, saw the UC and ended up liking it. Crazy concept I know but maybe there are 2 or 3 people in the world like this. Maybe some people liked the TC and didn't like the UC. Maybe some people were indifferent towards the TC and liked the UC. I would have no idea since I can't gauge everyone's reaction to it.

But if you hated the TC, to the point of posting on forums and shredding it on an almost daily basis, then the chances of you liking the UC are pretty much non-existent.

 

[The Joker]

I don't care about the UC not winning him over. But there are people here who have been vocals about disliking the movie without making me feel they were trolls. Everything he says scream troll.

Then take it to a moderator if you legitimately feel his posts are trolling and see what response you get.

Although an argument can be made about your "only people who liked the TC love the UC", especially when you see this kind of article: http://variety.com/2016/digital/news/batman-v-superman-shoots-to-top-of-disc-charts-1201825810/

It seems the whole "everybody in the whole world but two hardcore DC fans hated BvS" is simply not true. And yet, some people keep claiming it is.

Well of course there's exceptions to every consensus.

I wouldn't know but apparently you asked everyone in the world who has seen the UC and came to that conclusion. Well done. Perhaps there are some people who didn't like the TC originally, saw the UC and ended up liking it. Crazy concept I know but maybe there are 2 or 3 people in the world like this. Maybe some people liked the TC and didn't like the UC. Maybe some people were indifferent towards the TC and liked the UC. I would have no idea since I can't gauge everyone's reaction to it.

But if you hated the TC, to the point of posting on forums and shredding it on an almost daily basis, then the chances of you liking the UC are pretty much non-existent.

Yes, that's right I asked everyone in the world. I couldn't possibly have been talking about the general consensus of everyone who loved the UC already liked the TC.

No of course not. Too logical. Instead I did a door to survey of everyone who watched it. Well done. A flawless victory on your part surmising that.

 

[Sleiek]

I wouldn't know but apparently you asked everyone in the world who has seen the UC and came to that conclusion. Well done. Perhaps there are some people who didn't like the TC originally, saw the UC and ended up liking it. Crazy concept I know but maybe there are 2 or 3 people in the world like this. Maybe some people liked the TC and didn't like the UC. Maybe some people were indifferent towards the TC and liked the UC. I would have no idea since I can't gauge everyone's reaction to it.

But if you hated the TC, to the point of posting on forums and shredding it on an almost daily basis, then the chances of you liking the UC are pretty much non-existent.

Gotta love The Joker.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

It true that new cut mostly liked by fans of theatre cut. New cut not add enough to change BvS into good movie.

 

[chintai80]

i did not like the TC (i will say i almost hate it in fact).

but i like the UC. it still has some flaws that are too easy to pick out. but the major problems are fixed. so i enjoyed it quite a bit.