The Cape

[TheCorpulent1]

I've stopped watching No Ordinary Family, but I'm still with The Cape.

 

[Donut]

I've stopped watching No Ordinary Family, but I'm still with The Cape.

It is the opposite with me as I doubt The Cape would last longer then No Ordinary Family. How many episodes were made of this show ?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

No Ordinary Family's still on?

 

[wiegeabo]

I watch both. I like the character interactions in NOF more, and I like the action and physicality of The Cape more. If each show could work on those issues...

 

[greenlantern248]

I watch both, but I finding myself watching more of The Cape then NOF,

 

[Paradox1]

I watch them both I like nof more though. They have things more together at this point than the Cape. They need to get away from some of the epic cheesiness like the super slow mo walk away after saving the day.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Really? After two episodes of No Ordinary Family I was bored to death. After two episodes of The Cape I wasn't wow'd or anything but I was interested enough to look out for the next episode. If anything I see The Cape lasting longer what with it being far less boring.

True but No Ordinary Family has the star power is is more family friendly which is why it will last a little longer it is like watching The Incredibles. If not for that then the Cape IMO would have a longer run. But once again nethier will have that long of lasting power because IMO they are not based off of actually comics. Birds of Pray failed because at the time the heroes in that series wasn't too popular (expect for Babs) and they changed the Huntress around as well. Although the series was picking up towards its end. Lois and Clark failed after four seasons because the network got upset that they couldn't keep the show once WB formed the WB and wanted to move the show there so the current network tanked the series big time even through it had a strong following when it could be found through all the time shifts. Smallville has lasted not because of how good the show is but because of the name of the hero it carries. Had it been the same show just using a different name it would have been canceled after the fans got fed up one to many times of the star whining about when he could be with someone who liked him for him. Heroes died because of the writers strike and never recovered from that. NOF has a better chance than the Cape once again because its family friendly and is like a live version of the Incredibles as I said before. Take that away and that show will fail as well. The cape comes off as a rip off of Daredevil mixed with Batman..

 

[Firm18]

The last episode wasn't bad, I mean, it was bad but it was an improvement from the last 3 episodes. I just wish they would get rid of the whole family issue, it's really annoying and comes off as being cheesy.

There is so many things you could do with a series like this, why don't people get it?
All you need is a younger superhero, adventures, someone who is an actual superhero not because of the costume but of what he does.

 

[GhostPoet]

I've stopped watching No Ordinary Family, but I'm still with The Cape.

I watch NOF when i'm bored and I have no other shows. The character writing is so poorly done.sigh

I don't watch The Cape simply because it's not gonna survive the season.

 

[mr. peasant]

True but No Ordinary Family has the star power is is more family friendly which is why it will last a little longer it is like watching The Incredibles. If not for that then the Cape IMO would have a longer run. But once again nethier will have that long of lasting power because IMO they are not based off of actually comics. Birds of Pray failed because at the time the heroes in that series wasn't too popular (expect for Babs) and they changed the Huntress around as well. Although the series was picking up towards its end. Lois and Clark failed after four seasons because the network got upset that they couldn't keep the show once WB formed the WB and wanted to move the show there so the current network tanked the series big time even through it had a strong following when it could be found through all the time shifts. Smallville has lasted not because of how good the show is but because of the name of the hero it carries. Had it been the same show just using a different name it would have been canceled after the fans got fed up one to many times of the star whining about when he could be with someone who liked him for him. Heroes died because of the writers strike and never recovered from that. NOF has a better chance than the Cape once again because its family friendly and is like a live version of the Incredibles as I said before. Take that away and that show will fail as well. The cape comes off as a rip off of Daredevil mixed with Batman..

I think you're misattributing blame here. If The Cape and No Ordinary Family fail, it is not solely because it's not based on an established comic book series. Yes, having a built-in fanbase helps at the start but not having one doesn't prevent it from succeeding (likewise, having one doesn't prevent it from failing). Using that logic, The Heroes should have tanked since it wasn't derived from comics. Yet, it's first season got high viewership and good reviews. It was only in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th seasons (i.e. once the show was actually more established) when viewer numbers started slipping. And this has largely been blamed on the quality of writing. Had that been maintained, there's no reason why the show couldn't have continued.

With Smallville; yes, being based on the Superman comics probably helped the show in the beginning. However, its longevity is not because of this but because it tapped into the CW audience. I reckon hardcore Superman comic fans probably form a small minority of the show's audience. Meaning, most of them aren't watching the show because of Superman but because of Tom Welling and co.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I watch NOF when i'm bored and I have no other shows. The character writing is so poorly done.sigh

I don't watch The Cape simply because it's not gonna survive the season.

I'm inclined to agree, but I'm enjoying it.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

I think you're misattributing blame here. If The Cape and No Ordinary Family fail, it is not solely because it's not based on an established comic book series. Yes, having a built-in fanbase helps at the start but not having one doesn't prevent it from succeeding (likewise, having one doesn't prevent it from failing). Using that logic, The Heroes should have tanked since it wasn't derived from comics. Yet, it's first season got high viewership and good reviews. It was only in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th seasons (i.e. once the show was actually more established) when viewer numbers started slipping. And this has largely been blamed on the quality of writing. Had that been maintained, there's no reason why the show couldn't have continued.

With Smallville; yes, being based on the Superman comics probably helped the show in the beginning. However, its longevity is not because of this but because it tapped into the CW audience. I reckon hardcore Superman comic fans probably form a small minority of the show's audience. Meaning, most of them aren't watching the show because of Superman but because of Tom Welling and co.

I bet you had Smallville gone under any different name it would not have made it past season 3 maybe 4. Him being Superman carried a lot of weight and still does pretty much if not for that it would not still be on the air. TW or not and this is coming from someone who loves the show.

 

[mr. peasant]

I bet you had Smallville gone under any different name it would not have made it past season 3 maybe 4. Him being Superman carried a lot of weight and still does pretty much if not for that it would not still be on the air. TW or not and this is coming from someone who loves the show.

Any evidence of this?

The CW, and the WB before that, have always targeted female and teen demographics first and foremost. The latter's signature series were Dawson's Creek, Buffy, Charmed, 7th Heaven, Roswell, etc. CW's current primetime dramas on top of Smallville include One Tree Hill, Supernatural, Gossip Girl, 90210, Vampire Diaries, Hellcats and Nikita. With the exception of Nikita, the other shows are obviously and blatantly targeting the young female demographic as their primary audience. Hence, there's no reason to believe that Smallville would not have survived if it had been an original series. Buffy and Charmed certainly did during their runs; and so does Supernatural now.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The fact that it's not a very good show?

 

[Dr Lee]

The fact that it's not a very good show?

nowadays it's not as good as the first season, but when it started it was miles better than this show...which i enjoy watching

 

[GhostPoet]

The fact that it's not a very good show?

You love it. Don't fight it. EMBRACE your feelings for it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I have proudly not watched it in years.

 

[mr. peasant]

The fact that it's not a very good show?

Same can be said about One Tree Hill. Yet, that's been going on for years. Just because it's not to our tastes doesn't mean no one out there likes it. Fact that it's survived so long is proof of that. And they can't possibly be purely hardcore Superman comic fans since they can't possibly provide the necessary numbers.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

One Tree Hill and SV and shows like them have lasted so long because of the network they are on. Had they been on NBC or FOX or CBS, etc they would have done long ago. A good example of a TV series that still was good but killed off because of the Network it was on is Everybody Hates Chris or The Game (mainly because they were too dark for the CW IMO). Smallville plain and simple would not have lasted if not for the Superman name. It would have had a following no doubt but it would not have lasted because it would have came off as a cheap Roswell/Dawson Creek rehash and would have not made it to season 4. Hell as poor as the cape is it still pulls in better numbers than Smallville and it you want to play thats because its on a different network than on a different network if Smallville once again was not a Superman show it would have been gone after season 2 if you see how quickly they are cutting shows.

 

[wiegeabo]

Hardcore Superman fans tend to not like Smallville. So it's definitely not them that's kept them on the air.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Hardcore Superman fans tend to not like Smallville. So it's definitely not them that's kept them on the air.

Actually hardcore Superman fans are split on Smallville much like they are split on Superman Returns its just all a matter of who you ask.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

^Agreed

 

[mr. peasant]

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One Tree Hill and SV and shows like them have lasted so long because of the network they are on. Had they been on NBC or FOX or CBS, etc they would have done long ago. A good example of a TV series that still was good but killed off because of the Network it was on is Everybody Hates Chris or The Game (mainly because they were too dark for the CW IMO).

Wouldn't this also likely be a contributing factor as to why Smallville has lasted so long?

Smallville plain and simple would not have lasted if not for the Superman name. It would have had a following no doubt but it would not have lasted because it would have came off as a cheap Roswell/Dawson Creek rehash and would have not made it to season 4. Hell as poor as the cape is it still pulls in better numbers than Smallville and it you want to play thats because its on a different network than on a different network if Smallville once again was not a Superman show it would have been gone after season 2 if you see how quickly they are cutting shows.

These are some very strong claims you keep repeating and yet, I still see no evidence. You can't just keep repeating things and expect others to be convinced when not the first time round.

Going back to how big an influence having a previous fanbase is to a superhero-style show's success, shows like Buffy, Charmed and The 4400 seem to suggest that you don't need to have a built-in fanbase in order to get a show off the ground. And if you explore non-primetime dramas, shows like Avatar, Power Rangers (during its heyday, most Americans hadn't heard of, let alone watched, a Super Sentai show) and most action-based anime provide further evidence. As for staying power, this has even less to do with its original source material and more to do with the overall quality of the show and the audience's drive to return week after week.

 

[Panthro]

I've stopped watching No Ordinary Family, but I'm still with The Cape.

I still haven't had a chance to watch "No Ordinary Family".

"The Cape" has been a little shakey thus far but still enjoyable. Hoping against hope it'll last long enough to realize its full potential.

 

[BlackLantern]

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Wouldn't this also likely be a contributing factor as to why Smallville has lasted so long?



These are some very strong claims you keep repeating and yet, I still see no evidence. You can't just keep repeating things and expect others to be convinced when not the first time round.

Going back to how big an influence having a previous fanbase is to a superhero-style show's success, shows like Buffy, Charmed and The 4400 seem to suggest that you don't need to have a built-in fanbase in order to get a show off the ground. And if you explore non-primetime dramas, shows like Avatar, Power Rangers (during its heyday, most Americans hadn't heard of, let alone watched, a Super Sentai show) and most action-based anime provide further evidence. As for staying power, this has even less to do with its original source material and more to do with the overall quality of the show and the audience's drive to return week after week.

those shows were actually good....but seriously, the tv landscape today is probably at its most unforgiving...especially considering how badly NBC is doing....if this was 8 or 9 years ago, The Cape would probably have a fair shot at getting a whole season.....but with NBCs issues and Comcast assuming ownership, I'm going to assume a scorched earth on ANY nbc show not earning its keep....

also the standards are different for a big 4 Network show, as opposed to cable or the CW....the crap allowance is bigger for the latter