The Catwoman/Selina Kyle Casting Thread - Part 2

[Invader Joker]

Dude he just said Ben Affleck, and RDJ is like the happy Batman

I mean Pattinson, not Affleck who they just kicked out lmao

 

[Boy Scout]

There's a reason they didn't cast an actor of those ages for Bruce and I'm pretty sure they will apply that same exact logic for Catwoman.

What’s your point, exactly? What about Batman and his relationship with Catwoman requires them to be the same age? What about their relationship is lost, lessened, or altered to the point of being unrecognizable by casting a woman noticeably older than Pattinson? It’s clearly about the woman here, because you’ve already suggested that you’d be perfectly fine with Pattinson being the older of the two.

 

[Invader Joker]

Poison Ivy I feel would work well if she was a bit older. But Selina just seems ridiculously unnecessary unless there's a plot related reason for it.

 

[Black Narcissus]

It's mainly to do with the character. I don't think it does much for the character to be older, at all. If this were Poison Ivy I think it'd make more sense to cast someone older.

 

[Invader Joker]

What’s your point, exactly? What about Batman and his relationship with Catwoman requires them to be the same age? What about their relationship is lost, lessened, or altered to the point of being unrecognizable by casting a woman noticeably older than Pattinson? It’s clearly about the woman here, because you’ve already suggested that you’d be perfectly fine with Pattinson being the older of the two.

If it were up to me I'd happily cast Sarah Shahi as Talia, Katheryn Winnick as Black Canary and Eva Green as Poison Ivy but for Selina I really don't see the necessity whatsoever.

 

[Marvel united]

Yes, it is, because this isn’t a discussion about whether or not Catwoman and Batman have historically been written to be around the same age.

Considering this IS a discussion about Batman and Catwoman's relationship, the comic history of said relationship is relevant to this discussion. Since you are suggesting an unnecessary change (that probably won't happen)

Do you only have “chemistry” with people your own age? Are you not able to relate or be attracted to people older or younger than you?

Of course, although before I got engaged, I did not actively pursue relationships with women that were a decade/significantly younger than me. I'm sure this goes for many other people as well. The vast MAJORITY of the time, people around the same age start relationships. And this is the case for Batman and Catwoman

Okay...? That has very little to do with age. Especially in Hollywood.

This is a nonissue. I can’t believe I even have to have this conversation in 2019.

It has everything to do with age. Because that's what a casting call is -- they set up a definitive age barometer for who eligible for auditions. If that age range is 25-33 then the actor/actress will be cast in that range. And since Pattinson -- the lead star has already been established, Selina will be etched to match him. This is how the process works.

 

[Mandon Knight]

We're gonna need Age UK on this one....

 

[Greenlite]

RP: so Keri Russel and Eva Green are ruled out as my onscreen date?....I'm out bro

 

[Black Narcissus]

All this back and forth and watch Reeves not have Catwoman in the film. lol

 

[Invader Joker]

Look. I'd have absolutely no complaints on seeing Audrey Plaza, Eva Green or Morena Baccarin as Selina, but I also don't see why it would be necessary. It's not like I'm against it, I just really don't see what it'd add when again, there's dozens of young actresses that could do a job as good as them

 

[Greenlite]

All this back and forth and watch Reeves not have Catwoman in the film. lol

Reeves is gonna recast Rachel Dawes, the last one looked 10 years older and more mature than the original one

=P

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[Boy Scout]

20 actually . And again. I get the argument that it doesn't matter if a woman is older, heck, every single relationship I've had is with someone 2-5 years older than me. But I don't think it's necessary to get an older actress for Selina when the character doesn't really require it as it always has this youthful energy to her and there's a lot of young talent that could play her.

No one is saying it’s necessary; just that it wouldn’t be a big deal.

And you’re going to have to explain what you mean by “youthful energy” because what I’m thinking you mean doesn’t really apply to Catwoman. You don’t need to be or look young to come across as sarcastic, playful, athletic, or seductive, and those are all adjectives that I’d use to describe Catwoman.

On top of that, she’s arguably one of the quintessentially grown ass women in all of comics. Pretty much every interpretation of her I’ve seen suggests that she’s seen (and done) some ****.

 

[Marvel united]

All this back and forth and watch Reeves not have Catwoman in the film. lol

Borys Kit basically confirmed she was in the movie.

 

[Rodimus]

If it were up to me I'd happily cast Sarah Shahi as Talia, Katheryn Winnick as Black Canary and Eva Green as Poison Ivy but for Selina I really don't see the necessity whatsoever.

There is the first thing you said that made any sense, get her in something DC. Anything.

That monkey hitting typewriters thing is true after all...

 

[Marvel united]

No one is saying it’s necessary; just that it wouldn’t be a big deal.

And you’re going to have to explain what you mean by “youthful energy” because what I’m thinking you mean doesn’t really apply to Catwoman. You don’t need to be or look young to come across as sarcastic, playful, athletic, or seductive, and those are all adjectives that I’d use to describe Catwoman.

On top of that, she’s arguably one of the quintessentially grown ass women in all of comics. Pretty much every interpretation of her I’ve seen suggests that she’s seen (and done) some ****.

So if it's not a big deal, why does it have to happen? This is really a moot point because it's probably not happening. Selina won't be 7-10 years older than Pattinson

There's also this thing called character development. And just like how they're starting Batman young, it makes sense to have a young Catwoman who can grow alongside him. A Catwoman who has recently become a cat burglar ala Year One (but not quite as inexperienced as that).

 

[Invader Joker]

Sarah Shahi looks exactly like Talia from the comics and I'd be a gigantic missed opportunity (probably bound to happen) for her to not play her one day on something, anything.

And look, yes, it's a big part of Selina's character that she has seen and done some ****... but it's also a big part of the character and a fundamentally darker one that not only she has seen and done some ****, but that all happened when she was young. And there's also something about the flaws of her character, her being ridiculously impulsive for her own good, not being really sure on whether to be selfish or to be heroic, her coping mechanisms and so on that it just seems to me would reflect better on a late 20 year old or someone the same age as Pattinson.

I just don't see Selina as a late 30 year old when we're talking "Long Halloween" times.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Look. I'd have absolutely no complaints on seeing Audrey Plaza, Eva Green or Morena Baccarin as Selina, but I also don't see why it would be necessary. It's not like I'm against it, I just really don't see what it'd add when again, there's dozens of young actresses that could do a job as good as them

Breh, you literally were up for Anya Taylor Joy as Catwoman. She would look waaaay too young next to Pattinson, but if you say that some of the older actresses here would look wrong next to Pattinson then fair enough, but lettuce be real. lol

 

[Black Narcissus]

So if it's not a big deal, why does it have to happen? This is really a moot point because it's probably not happening. Selina won't be 7-10 years older than Pattinson

There's also this thing called character development. And just like how they're starting Batman young, it makes sense to have a young Catwoman who can grow alongside him. A Catwoman who has recently become a cat burglar ala Year One (but not quite as inexperienced as that).

7-10 years don't have to be the cut off point tho. I mean, Rebecca Ferguson is only two years older and Blunt is 3.

 

[Invader Joker]

Breh, you literally were up for Anya Taylor Joy as Catwoman. She would look waaaay too young next to Pattinson, but if you say that some of the older actresses here would look wrong next to Pattinson then fair enough, but lettuce be real. lol

I don't think she'd look too young next to Pattinson nowadays but maybe she'd, I just think she should at least be given a screentest and if it doesn't look creepy cast her because they're both very similar people if you look at their interviews and the way they go about their careers.

There's something about Selina's character, not only in her attitude but also her flaws that again, I just think make more sense for someone in their 20s and in their 30s. She's seen and done some ****, but she also isn't exactly sure what her place in the world is (hence why she keeps going back and forth between being a criminal and an ally to Batman) and has a plethora of issues that lead her to the moment in which she sees Batman, just thinking "Oh, there's a Batman? I guess I should be Catwoman!". She's initally young and although fierce, kinda immature in stories like Year One, Long Halloween and so on which makes her later development in her later stories all the more interesting, and it just translates better to follow that character development of her becoming older and wiser and with a clearer purpose when you have an actress initially in her 20s or 30s in that role that ages with it.

 

[Boy Scout]

Considering this IS a discussion about Batman and Catwoman's relationship, the comic history of said relationship is relevant to this discussion.

I never suggested otherwise.

Everyone here is perfectly aware that they’re typically the same age. That is a fact, but it wasn’t what the conversation was about. It was about whether or not that needed to be the case in The Batman, which, obviously, depends on your point of view. So you coming in and saying that the conversation I was having wasn’t about my personal opinion suggested a lack of understanding of what was actually being discussed.

Of course...

Thank you, that’s all I need.

It has everything to do with age.

No it doesn’t. You’ll find that cinematic history is littered with romantic pairings of actors who had an age gap between them.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I don't think she'd look too young next to Pattinson nowadays but maybe she'd, I just think she should at least be given a screentest and if it doesn't look creepy cast her because they're both very similar people if you look at their interviews and the way they go about their careers.

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And that is your right as a bald american, sir. If you want a teen looking actress next to brooding dark Pattinson to get a read then so be it. I only in return demand old-granny-still sexy-AF looking Monica Bellucci to get a screen test as well. Make it happen. We will not go quietly into the night!

 

[Boy Scout]

Look. I'd have absolutely no complaints on seeing Audrey Plaza, Eva Green or Morena Baccarin as Selina, but I also don't see why it would be necessary. It's not like I'm against it, I just really don't see what it'd add when again, there's dozens of young actresses that could do a job as good as them

For someone who doesn’t seem against it, you seem awfully against it. You’ve said at least twice now that you don’t think it’d make sense for her character.

Sorry, it just seems like you don’t want an older woman to play the part. And that’s fine, I just don’t agree that an older woman couldn’t do it or that it wouldn’t make sense for the character.

I’ll ask you directly: if Batman/Pattinson was 43 and I was suggesting casting a 33-year-old Catwoman, would you find it as objectionable? I’m not trying to catch you in a lie or whatever, so feel free to not respond, but I’m curious.

So if it's not a big deal, why does it have to happen?

You should read the posts you quote; I literally said that it wasn’t necessary.

This is really a moot point because it's probably not happening. Selina won't be 7-10 years older than Pattinson

Did I say she would be? Or did I argue that it wouldn’t be a problem if she was?

There's also this thing called character development.

This has to be a joke. Do you think you suddenly stop growing as a person once you reach 40?

For someone who spends their time championing a woke ass version of the X-Men, your viewpoint here comes across as surprisingly narrow-minded.

 

[Marvel united]

I never suggested otherwise.

Everyone here is perfectly aware that they’re typically the same age. That is a fact, but it wasn’t what the conversation was about. It was about whether or not that needed to be the case in The Batman, which, obviously, depends on your point of view. So you coming in and saying that the conversation I was having wasn’t about my personal opinion suggested a lack of understanding of what was actually being discussed.

Alright, so what is the argument here then? it seems more like you're arguing to the merits of it being a possiblity/acceptable as opposed to whether it SHOULD happen

Thank you, that’s all I need.



No it doesn’t. You’ll find that cinematic history is littered with romantic pairings of actors who had an age gap between them.

This doesn't negate anything I said about the casting call, but okay. The lead star is cast first and the supporting characters or male/female lead are cast in correspondence with the lead. That's just how it goes.

 

[Invader Joker]

For someone who doesn’t seem against it, you seem awfully against it. You’ve said at least twice now that you don’t think it’d make sense for her character.

Sorry, it just seems like you don’t want an older woman to play the part. And that’s fine, I just don’t agree that an older woman couldn’t do it or that it wouldn’t make sense for the character.

I’ll ask you directly: if Batman/Pattinson was 43 and I was suggesting casting a 33-year-old Catwoman, would you find it as objectionable? I’m not trying to catch you in a lie or whatever, so feel free to not respond, but I’m curious.

If you're going to present a Selina that has already had her fair share of character development, isn't as on the fence as she is on Long Halloween, Year One and so on, then yes because in that case casting a late 20s actress or early 30s would not translate that message as well..

But... if you're going for a Selina that's just starting her back and forth with Batman, no. My main argument for prefering Selina to be younger is that I feel like that works better with her character mainly because of her psychology and all that. Arguably, what she does is even crazier than what Bruce does. She doesn't have the training he does, she doesn't have the technology he does, and she doesn't have the reason he does but she still goes out there every night getting herself into potentially deadly situations. Her coping mechanisms are terrible, she's constantly on the fence about whether or not to do the right thing, and so on. Bruce chose to be Batman because he thought it'd inspire fear in criminals, she chose to be Catwoman because she thought the Batman thing was cool, she likes cats and wanted an identity to steal stuff.

That extremely damaged way of Selina to be creates a profoundly interesting dynamic between her and Bruce that deepens their relationship and there's something about everything she does and the way she thinks that I think it's more similar to that of young late 20s, early 30s person that's still trying to figure out what their exact place in the world is rather than a late 30s person that would look like they should already have an idea on how to be because they've spent 3 decades on this planet lmao. But Selina is impulsive by nature and that creates a dynamic between her and the "I always plan things" nature of Batman. Young people are usually the most impulsive ones, and it's easier to empathize with a young person doing impulsive and dangerous things that are not exactly morally justified or even make that much pragmatic sense.