The Clinton Thread II - Part 2

[The Overlord]

They only severed ties because it was exposed. You know more than just one pundit knew and Clinton should be ashamed for willingly coercing or accepting. This also just further cements how the Primary was rigged for Clinton.

Well unless you can prove CNN knew she did, they will have plausible denability.

Frankly I liked Sanders better then Clinton, so I am not going to defend that.

I think the whole election system needs massive reform, how did we get these two candidates?

I still think Clinton is better choice then Trump, but that is not saying much at this point.

 

[Sithborg]

Trump isn't surprising. When you have a clown car full of 16 candidates in the primaries, the biggest, loudest clown is the one that will make it out.

Clinton has been working for this her whole life.

 

[The Overlord]

Trump isn't surprising. When you have a clown car full of 16 candidates in the primaries, the biggest, loudest clown is the one that will make it out.

Clinton has been working for this her whole life.

Well that just suggests the Primary system sucks and needs to be changed.

 

[Legendver2]

With 8 days out, can this actually swing things favoring Trump? This is making me all kinds of anxious.

 

[childeroland]

Right now, she's still about 100 points ahead of Trump in the electoral college, by RCP's count. She just gained about a full point in their national average. Though that doesn't take into account any polling done on today.

 

[Grievous]

If Hillary is elected Lord help us.

 

[Thundercrack85]

With 8 days out, can this actually swing things favoring Trump? This is making me all kinds of anxious.

I don't think so. But, it could cost her a landslide.

Trump still pissed off every minority group in the country and women.

 

[Thundercrack85]

If Hillary is elected Lord help us.

We might actually get universal healthcare. The horror. The horror.

 

[Charlatan]

If Hillary is elected Lord help us.

and why is that exactly? The Clinton's did just fine during the 90's. If not for the whole Lewinsky thing Gore would have probably won easily and we wouldn't have had the Iraq war and would have been well on our way towards more renewable energy resources, lower debt and deficit numbers too.

 

[Legendver2]

and why is that exactly? The Clinton's did just fine during the 90's. If not for the whole Lweinsky thing Gore would have probably won easily and we wouldn't have had the Iraq war and would have been well on our way towards more renewable energy resources most likely.

So what you're saying is Bill's schlong threw us into war and gave us manbearpig?

 

[Grievous]

We might actually get universal healthcare. The horror. The horror.

That tax payers can't afford, how many healthcare companies have went out of business since Obamacare took affect? I know Clinton has stated she will modify it but I don't expect it to be enough to make a major difference. I don't think companies should be able to basically tell ppl to die just because they have pre existing conditions, but I feel it's pretty evident there isn't enough ppl paying into it then ppl getting it for free. You can't just ignore it and everything will be fine forever, something will eventually break.

Clinton lies and is a criminal who should not even be allowed to stay in the race at this point. The whole Clinton or end of the world mindset is just far left nonsense to glaze over the fact she would be the most corrupt person ever elected in the White House if she wins. People saying wiki leaks and the FBI are treating Hillary unfair and trying to get Trump elected is pretty ironic since I bet none of them had addressed how biased the media has been to Trump with trying to get Clinton elected.

 

[The Overlord]

That tax payers can't afford, how many healthcare companies have went out of business since Obamacare took affect? I know Clinton has stated she will modify it but I don't expect it to be enough to make a major difference. I don't think companies should be able to basically tell ppl to die just because they have pre existing conditions, but I feel it's pretty evident there isn't enough ppl paying into it then ppl getting it for free. You can't just ignore it and everything will be fine forever, something will eventually break.

Clinton lies and is a criminal who should not even be allowed to stay in the race at this point. The whole Clinton or end of the world mindset is just far left nonsense to glaze over the fact she would be the most corrupt person ever elected in the White House if she wins. People saying wiki leaks and the FBI are treating Hillary unfair and trying to get Trump elected is pretty ironic since I bet none of them had addressed how biased the media has been to Trump with trying to get Clinton elected.

I think its naive to think Trump is not corrupt either, look at the Trump foundation or his connections with the mob.

The problem with this election is its about who is the least worse options rather then who is the best candiate. Its all about trashing the other side, rather then presenting real solutions to real problems.

 

[Grievous]

Oh I don't think Trump is perfect and can't do no wrong. I simply see Hillary as a far worse option.

This whole election is just been an insult fest, you are correct in that. Nether has truly brought up ways to fix the real problems. Either way this country is gonna get worse then before. I just think it may be not as quick with one as opposed to the other.

 

[Thundercrack85]

That tax payers can't afford, how many healthcare companies have went out of business since Obamacare took affect? I know Clinton has stated she will modify it but I don't expect it to be enough to make a major difference. I don't think companies should be able to basically tell ppl to die just because they have pre existing conditions, but I feel it's pretty evident there isn't enough ppl paying into it then ppl getting it for free. You can't just ignore it and everything will be fine forever, something will eventually break.

Clinton lies and is a criminal who should not even be allowed to stay in the race at this point. The whole Clinton or end of the world mindset is just far left nonsense to glaze over the fact she would be the most corrupt person ever elected in the White House if she wins. People saying wiki leaks and the FBI are treating Hillary unfair and trying to get Trump elected is pretty ironic since I bet none of them had addressed how biased the media has been to Trump with trying to get Clinton elected.

None went out of business that I know of. They stopped providing plans for Obamacare because it's not profitable. Which is kind of a no brainer. How the hell are you going to make money providing people healthcare? Healthcare shouldn't be a business. It should be treated like national defense.

Get scumbags like Trump to pay their fair share. That'll go a long way.

For the record, I don't care for Clinton, but that doesn't mean I am going to support a cartoon villain like Donald Trump. And you want to talk about corruption? Trump University. 3,500 law suits and counting. No taxes. Calling on Russian hackers to interfere in an election.

All I hear are about those stupid emails. Where were these email obsessed Republicans when the Bush administration deleted 22 million emails?

 

[mclay18]

Clinton lies and is a criminal who should not even be allowed to stay in the race at this point. The whole Clinton or end of the world mindset is just far left nonsense to glaze over the fact she would be the most corrupt person ever elected in the White House if she wins. People saying wiki leaks and the FBI are treating Hillary unfair and trying to get Trump elected is pretty ironic since I bet none of them had addressed how biased the media has been to Trump with trying to get Clinton elected.

I don't know what media you're tuned into, but Politifact has Hillary being 70% truthful. So while she has lied, it's nowhere near as much as the GOPs are claiming she is. While Donald Trump lies 70% of the time.

As for the MSM's bias, it has veered depending on the course of the news. Up through this summer, the media treated Trump as a spectacle even though he alienated women, minorities, and immigrants. It wasn't until he spurned the media and the infamous Access Hollywood tape that the waves turned against him. I'm seeing a definite media bias that covers Comey email 'news' but glosses Trump being financially tied to a Russian bank.

 

[The Overlord]

Oh I don't think Trump is perfect and can't do no wrong. I simply see Hillary as a far worse option.

This whole election is just been an insult fest, you are correct in that. Nether has truly brought up ways to fix the real problems. Either way this country is gonna get worse then before. I just think it may be not as quick with one as opposed to the other.

I would pick a dishonest Democrat over a pervy authoritarian any day of the week.

I think Hiliary Clinton is a better choice then Trump, but at this point I think my cat is a better choice then Trump, so that is a low bar to cross. I just don't think she is a very dynamic choice at this point. But I would not be enthusiastic about that choice.

I think if the GOP wanted to defeat Clinton, they should have picked someone else, she was defeatable.

How does Trump's plan help economy? How does he make Mexico buy for his stupid wall? How will he defeat ISIS?

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

That tax payers can't afford, how many healthcare companies have went out of business since Obamacare took affect? I know Clinton has stated she will modify it but I don't expect it to be enough to make a major difference. I don't think companies should be able to basically tell ppl to die just because they have pre existing conditions, but I feel it's pretty evident there isn't enough ppl paying into it then ppl getting it for free. You can't just ignore it and everything will be fine forever, something will eventually break.

Clinton lies and is a criminal who should not even be allowed to stay in the race at this point. The whole Clinton or end of the world mindset is just far left nonsense to glaze over the fact she would be the most corrupt person ever elected in the White House if she wins. People saying wiki leaks and the FBI are treating Hillary unfair and trying to get Trump elected is pretty ironic since I bet none of them had addressed how biased the media has been to Trump with trying to get Clinton elected.

You know who should get the blame for health care cost skyrocketing? The healthcare industry. Considering they are reaping record profits and still jacking up everyone's rates come January. They aren't doing that for anything other than to line their greedy pockets because they know we have to eat it. Had we got single payer healthcare this wouldn't be a problem. Capitalism at it's finest.

And to your point about media bias against Trump, I didn't see him complaining considering all news outlets tune into his nonsense from the primaries onwards. If you run for president then expect your dirty laundry to get aired. He didn't even have the common sense to allow his people to look into his past so they could prepare for this onslaught.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I do think the media is generally left of center, but even Fox News - the propaganda arm of the Republican party - has a hard time painting Trump in a positive light.

This notion that the candidates are equally bad is just a false equivalency. One is a comically narcissistic racist demagogue... who is by his own account a sexual predator, and the other is a fairly dull corrupt politician.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I do think the media is generally left of center, but even Fox News - the propaganda arm of the Republican party - has a hard time painting Trump in a positive light.

This notion that the candidates are equally bad is just a false equivalency. One is a comically narcissistic racist demagogue... who is by his own account a sexual predator, and the other is a fairly dull corrupt politician.

I completely agree with this assessment of the situation.

 

[The Overlord]

I do think the media is generally left of center, but even Fox News - the propaganda arm of the Republican party - has a hard time painting Trump in a positive light.

This notion that the candidates are equally bad is just a false equivalency. One is a comically narcissistic racist demagogue... who is by his own account a sexual predator, and the other is a fairly dull corrupt politician.

I would agree with that, but its hard not be super cynical if the choice is between a bad choice and the worst choice ever.

Yeah Clinton is better then Trump, but does make her a great President?

People want to vote for something, not against something, that is why Obama was popular in the 2008.

If Clinton changes nothing, the conditions that created Trump go unaddressed and we are back to square one in 4 years.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I would agree with that, but its hard not be super cynical if the choice is between a bad choice and the worst choice ever.

Yeah Clinton is better then Trump, but does make her a great President?

People want to vote for something, not against something, that is why Obama was popular in the 2008.

If Clinton changes nothing, the conditions that created Trump go unaddressed and we are back to square one in 4 years.

Well, you are assuming Clinton will change nothing. I'm not convinced there. Obama has been unable to do much of anything due to the at times treasonous Republican congress he has to deal with.

Trump's message is doom and gloom, and that's going to resonate with a lot of racists who think their country is disappearing. That said though, the demographics are working against the Republican party. In 20 years, Trump's base will be quite literally dead.

 

[The Overlord]

Well, you are assuming Clinton will change nothing. I'm not convinced there. Obama has been unable to do much of anything due to the at times treasonous Republican congress he has to deal with.

Trump's message is doom and gloom, and that's going to resonate with a lot of racists who think their country is disappearing. That said though, the demographics are working against the Republican party. In 20 years, Trump's base will be quite literally dead.

Perhaps I am making an unfair assumption, but I do think she has to deal with the economic conditions that created the Trump movement, because his base is not going away in 4 years.

I think income Inequality and people feeling they have been left behind in today's globalized economy gives the Trump movement power, deal with those issues and that movement will lose power.

I think Clinton has to be willing to use progressive style solutions to these problems, I think Obama spent too much time trying to get to compromises from people who were unreasonable.

Again we are not talking about these issues, because the campaign has ceased to be about issues long ago.

Maybe I am wrong about Clinton and I will be happy to be proven wrong, but I don't think she has disproven my misgiving about her.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Perhaps I am making an unfair assumption, but I do think she has to deal with the economic conditions that created the Trump movement, because his base is not going away in 4 years.

I think income Inequality and people feeling they have been left behind in today's globalized economy gives the Trump movement power, deal with those issues and that movement will lose power.

I think Clinton has to be willing to use progressive style solutions to these problems, I think Obama spent too much time trying to get to compromises from people who were unreasonable.

Again we are not talking about these issues, because the campaign has ceased to be about issues long ago.

Maybe I am wrong about Clinton and I will be happy to be proven wrong, but I don't think she has disproven my misgiving about her.

You are falling for a false narrative. You see Republicans talking about the economy all the time. in 2012, Romney said he would get the unemployment rate down to 6 percent. It's now at 5.9 percent. They said they would get gas prices under 2.50. The national average is now under that. Same with economic growth; it's above what they said they would make it.

Almost all the problems Republicans said they would fix in 2012, have been fixed. By Obama.

The Trump movement isn't founded on economic anxiety; it's founded on racism. He got buzz by being the original birther, then he ran on a campaign of anti-immigrant demagoguery. Here we are today.

More and more studies are finding that Trump supporters are well off financially (or at least not threatened by globalism).

 

[The Overlord]

You are falling for a false narrative. You see Republicans talking about the economy all the time. in 2012, Romney said he would get the unemployment rate down to 6 percent. It's now at 5.9 percent. They said they would get gas prices under 2.50. The national average is now under that. Same with economic growth; it's above what they said they would make it.

Almost all the problems Republicans said they would fix in 2012, have been fixed. By Obama.

The Trump movement isn't founded on economic anxiety; it's founded on racism. He got buzz by being the original birther, then he ran on a campaign of anti-immigrant demagoguery. Here we are today.

More and more studies are finding that Trump supporters are well off financially (or at least not threatened by globalism).

Okay, if that is the case, is there nothing that can be done with this group, just hope they go away as the years pass and hope the divisions that Trump created simply disappear as his base slowly does? Is there no way Clinton could heal these divisions Trump created?

 

[Thundercrack85]

Okay, if that is the case, is there nothing that can be done with this group, just hope they go away as the years pass and hope the divisions that Trump created simply disappear as his base slowly does?

That's what I expect to happen. I would be willing to bet you money a lot of those Trump supporters are the same damn people you see protesting desegregation at colleges in the 1960's. These people are a lost cause.

We have hard data showing that half of Trump supporters are racist. Or as Hillary put it, deplorables. The other half are just your run in the mill conservatives, people pissed off with the system and anarchists.

http://qz.com/779709/hillary-clinto...ording-to-a-poll-conducted-earlier-this-year/