The Clinton Thread II - Part 2

[Alex Murphy]

https://***********/wikileaks/status/793151362506817536

Oh... brilliant...

 

[Legendver2]

Now I'm anxious. Where my new Trump tapes?!?

 

[Sithborg]

And yet, still has Corey Lewandowski on the payroll.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Karl Rove and Joe Walsh, the guy who said he would pick up a musket if Hillary became President, have both come out and said what Comey did on Friday was wrong and unfair to Hillary. I have no idea what to say. Every time I think this election can't get any weirder, it does.

I'm big into politics and for the last several weeks I've just wanted this to be over haha. I'm burned out on it but I will def watch the movie version in a few years.

https://***********/wikileaks/status/793151362506817536

Yeah, that's pretty bad.

And yet, still has Corey Lewandowski on the payroll.

He may spread lies and disinformation but as a Trump puppet it's kind of his job and CNN is just dumb enough to let him get a paycheck while he does it. The whole releasing the debate questions is seriously bad and hurts Hilary's already crappy public image.

 

[chaseter]

CNN fired Donna Brazile after email leaks confirm she leaked debate questions to Clinton.

And people say the media isn't biased?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

CNN fired Donna Brazile after email leaks confirm she leaked debate questions to Clinton.

And people say the media isn't biased?

1) She's just a pundit. She doesn't control programming.

2) We don't know what collusion there has been between the Trump campaign and right wing media cause wikileaks is beyond biased and is trying to decide the USA presidential election by telling only one side of the story.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

1) She's just a pundit. She doesn't control programming.

2) We don't know what collusion there has been between the Trump campaign and right wing media cause wikileaks is beyond biased and is trying to decide the USA presidential election by telling only one side of the story.

I agree, but leaking debate questions is just as huge/bad as Wikileaks focusing all their energy on Hillary. This whole election is pure dumpster fire mixed with liquefied excrement.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I don't know any intelligent person who thinks CNN isn't biased.

 

[The Overlord]

CNN fired Donna Brazile after email leaks confirm she leaked debate questions to Clinton.

And people say the media isn't biased?

I might buy the left wing media theory more if Republicans didn't use it to avoid personal responsibility all the time.

Now this is one pundit who has been fired, if the media is as crooked as Trump said, that wouldn't have happened.

That being said stuff like this looks really bad Hilliary and if I were in a safe state, I would write in Darth Vadar.

 

[DeadPresident]

Just to keep the whole "lesser of two evils" narrative going, how would democrats have reacted if a Fox representative had rigged questions for Trump? At this point I think Clinton could get away with anything just because she isn't Trump. She could probably suggest building a wall and deporting all Muslims and people would say "Hmm…sounds reasonable".

The double standards from the media, public and both political parties have been astounding to the point of being absurd.

 

[Alex Murphy]

I agree, but leaking debate questions is just as huge/bad as Wikileaks focusing all their energy on Hillary. This whole election is pure dumpster fire mixed with liquefied excrement.

Sounds a bit whiffy.

 

[BatLobster]

Just to keep the whole "lesser of two evils" narrative going, how would democrats have reacted if a Fox representative had rigged questions for Trump? At this point I think Clinton could get away with anything just because she isn't Trump. She could probably suggest building a wall and deporting all Muslims and people would say "Hmm…sounds reasonable".

The double standards from the media, public and both political parties have been astounding to the point of being absurd.

Um, Chris Wallace in the Fox debate- while doing an excellent job of actually moderating, was clearly lobbing Trump questions towards the top of the debate that were meant to give him an opportunity to stay on message (which he still managed to botch LOL) while giving Clinton harder questions.

We just didn't get to see what was going on behind the scenes there, but that's not just some magical coincidence.

So my answer to your hypothetical is I simply wouldn't have been surprised.

 

[The Overlord]

Just to keep the whole "lesser of two evils" narrative going, how would democrats have reacted if a Fox representative had rigged questions for Trump? At this point I think Clinton could get away with anything just because she isn't Trump. She could probably suggest building a wall and deporting all Muslims and people would say "Hmm…sounds reasonable".

The double standards from the media, public and both political parties have been astounding to the point of being absurd.

I think if she did that, she really wouldn't e different then Trump and supporting her at that point would be pure partisanship.

I still think she is more competent then Trump, but really don't like her and would vote for something else in a safe state.

The thing is if the GOP fielded a generic Republican, that guy would be creaming Clinton now. Trump made too many members of the population his enemies for them to consider voting for him.


I would take a dishonest Democrat over a pervy fascist any day of the week, but people have look to how we got to this pair of candiates, the American election process needs serious reform and neither of the 2 big parties will do it.

This election just justfies my cynicism, which doesn't need more justifying.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Um, Chris Wallace in the Fox debate- while doing an excellent job of actually moderating, was clearly lobbing Trump questions towards the top of the debate that were meant to give him an opportunity to stay on message (which he still managed to botch LOL) while giving Clinton harder questions.

We just didn't get to see what was going on behind the scenes there, but that's not just some magical coincidence.

So my answer to your hypothetical is I simply wouldn't have been surprised.

That's still pretty different from giving the answers to the candidate before the debate. Had Trump had them beforehand maybe he wouldn't have come across like an idiot. Throwing softballs to the conservative at the FAUX debate is pretty much always guaranteed.

 

[DeadPresident]

Um, Chris Wallace in the Fox debate- while doing an excellent job of actually moderating, was clearly lobbing Trump questions towards the top of the debate that were meant to give him an opportunity to stay on message (which he still managed to botch LOL) while giving Clinton harder questions.

We just didn't get to see what was going on behind the scenes there, but that's not just some magical coincidence.

So my answer to your hypothetical is I simply wouldn't have been surprised.

As DJ said, those aren't exactly apples and apples. Stacking the deck to try and make the idiot look better is different from giving one of the participants specific information beforehand that they could prep for.

It defeats the entire point of a live debate when one of the candidates, indeed the one that should be beating the orange fleshbag with her hands tied behind her back, is being helped out. It's completely unacceptable no matter who is doing it and it should be called as such IMO.

Also, this just lends more credence to the nut job tinfoils who think there's some liberal conspiracy against the American people. It starts looking like that when "independent" media outlets are deliberately assisting a specific candidate, not in a subtle way, in a blatant "this is cheating, and I know it" way.

 

[BatLobster]

As DJ said, those aren't exactly apples and apples. Stacking the deck to try and make the idiot look better is different from giving one of the participants specific information beforehand that they could prep for.

That's true, but it's pretty much a given that Trump's campaign has been coordinating with the right media. I mean, Steve Bannon and Breitbart were coordinating with Trump long before he officially stepped on board the campaign. It still wouldn't surprise me at all if someone at Fox had given him a heads up at some point. And to be honest, I don't care to know.

The CNN leak thing is bad, no doubt about it. I'm not excusing it or giving it a pass in anyway. But it's hardly the thing that's outraged me most in this election cycle.

Also, this just lends more credence to the nut job tinfoils who think there's some liberal conspiracy against the American people. It starts looking like that when "independent" media outlets are deliberately assisting a specific candidate, not in a subtle way, in a blatant "this is cheating, and I know it" way.

Yeah, it's bad. And it's dumb too, cause Clinton is generally very well-prepared and well-rehearsed when it comes to debates so I don't think she of all people would need that type of leg-up.

 

[DeadPresident]

That's true, but it's pretty much a given that Trump's campaign has been coordinating with the right media. I mean, Steve Bannon and Breitbart were coordinating with Trump long before he officially stepped on board the campaign. It still wouldn't surprise me at all if someone at Fox had given him a heads up at some point. And to be honest, I don't care to know.

The CNN leak thing is bad, no doubt about it. I'm not excusing it or giving it a pass in anyway. But it's hardly the thing that's outraged me most in this election cycle.

Yeah, if people did some digging they'd probably find some kind of tip off of one sort or another. Compared to some of the other bombshells it isn't a crazy one, but it starts making it look like the democrats are down there in the mud with the republicans, their ability to hold onto some kind of moral high ground is slowly going to erode.

Yeah, it's bad. And it's dumb too, cause Clinton is generally very well-prepared and well-rehearsed when it comes to debates so I don't think she of all people would need that type of leg-up.

The "Crooked Hillary" thing was a meme at first, but these small details combined with how the information in various emails doesn't paint her as the most above board person could have repercussions. This entire election has been rather unprecedented, polling and prediction might be slightly skewed for whatever reason. IMO the only safe option is for Clinton to try and assure this is an absolute slam dunk. If Trump ends up being elected because Clinton was lazy and just plain corrupt about her processes and it ends up costing her it would be incredibly stupid.

No more people need to be pushed to thinking Trump is the white in shining armor to flush out the system than there already are, him being painted as some kind of messiah to save America from political corruption is egregiously ridiculous, but the more crooked Clinton looks the more fence sitters might veer towards the orangutan.

 

[The Shape]

Just to keep the whole "lesser of two evils" narrative going, how would democrats have reacted if a Fox representative had rigged questions for Trump? At this point I think Clinton could get away with anything just because she isn't Trump. She could probably suggest building a wall and deporting all Muslims and people would say "Hmm…sounds reasonable".

The double standards from the media, public and both political parties have been astounding to the point of being absurd.

I'm not discounting the fact that there is bias within the media, but if there is any truth to your statement (in bold), isn't it also an indication of just how awful Donald Trump is?

 

[Sawyer]

Don't f***ing whine to me about Donna Brazile when CNN still has Lewandowski in the fold.

 

[Donner]

At this point, I would say it's completely naïve to think that the candidates don't know the questions beforehand. This is politics and everyone has their price. I'm sure both Trump and Clinton had ample time to prepare for the debates with the knowledge of which questions they were going to be asked.

Which makes Trump look worse. He would fail an open book exam.

 

[DeadPresident]

I'm not discounting the fact that there is bias within the media, but if there is any truth to your statement (in bold), isn't it also an indication of just how awful Donald Trump is?

Indeed, but at some stage it's going to become a superfluous and saturated amount of cluster****ery because of how much slack Clinton is being given, is she going to be held accountable for anything or is the highest expectation people have of her that she isn't named Trump?

Clinton is still objectively the more harmless candidate, but she's kind of like getting HIV and hoping you can manage through it while Trump is like being thrown into a wood chipper...both are still rather horrible.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

Not that it makes it ok, but I would find refreshing to see Clinton being the one given some slack for a change of pace.

 

[Orba]

One thing though, as far as I'm aware the questions that Braile is supposed to have passed on were for a Townhall, not for the Debates with Trump.

 

[chaseter]

I might buy the left wing media theory more if Republicans didn't use it to avoid personal responsibility all the time.

Now this is one pundit who has been fired, if the media is as crooked as Trump said, that wouldn't have happened.

They only severed ties because it was exposed. You know more than just one pundit knew and Clinton should be ashamed for willingly coercing or accepting. This also just further cements how the Primary was rigged for Clinton.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I do wish Hillary would jump onboard with the term limits for Congress that he said he would institute. So if he wins at least there's that.