The Clinton Thread II

[hippie_hunter]

I am not blaming him for it collapsing I am just saying that it got alot of money into alot of people's hands, which intern helped the economy because it got alot of people spending

But just like how Clinton doesn't deserve blame for the DotCom Bubble collapsing, he doesn't deserve credit for people being successful in the short term.

And are you seriously trying to spin the DotCom Bubble as a good thing for Clinton? Because it wasn't a good thing.

 

[SV Fan]

She did fire someone for doing the same thing and she came off shady as hell for pushing back and then deleting the server. I do know that IT security people where able to crack a similar (fully patched) server.

I agree it does look shady, and as I said the republicans should have left it at that and let people draw their own conclusions. If the Republicans try to drive this into the ground it will only look bad on their part(ie 2 wrongs don't make a right)

Well when she runs around talking about being for women's and gay's rights while accepting donations from countries that kill gays and don't allow women basic freedoms like walking around unescorted or even driving it kinda sends a contradicting message. NO?

If one views the world in a black or white nature, sure it looks bad, but the world is not black and white. Simple fact is they collected alot of money for good causes(now if you can find misuses of that cash, that to me would be a scandal)

 

[SV Fan]

But just like how Clinton doesn't deserve blame for the DotCom Bubble collapsing, he doesn't deserve credit for people being successful in the short term.

And are you seriously trying to spin the DotCom Bubble as a good thing for Clinton? Because it wasn't a good thing.

No I said(or was implying at least) that he was lucky it happened when he was President, it was a major plus to the economy(it would have happened no matter who was president basically, but he got all the positive benefits of it)

 

[herakles]

I agree it does look shady, and as I said the republicans should have left it at that and let people draw their own conclusions. If the Republicans try to drive this into the ground it will only look bad on their part(ie 2 wrongs don't make a right)

I think the problem is that Issa and Co has blinders on.

IF I was on that committee I would put my focus on WHY she fired an Ambassador and purged her server. I would also focus on how vulnerable her server could be.

I would focus on if she is using funds from the foundation for her campaign.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think what annoys me the most is how the Clintons tend seem to have Scandal Teflon!! It seems that the media loves them soo much that they ignore things.

I think you're making it out to be simpler than it actually is.

You're ignoring just how talented politically the Clintons are. They're probably the most brilliant political minds in a generation. For example, Clinton's extramarital affairs probably would have brought down any other politician. But not only did they make it through, but Clinton ended up getting more popular out of it and successfully ****-shamed a woman who was taken advantage of. Or how they twisted history like his impeachment. People actually think that Clinton got impeached for getting a ******* when the reality is that he was impeached for perjury (which is a crime) and the reason why this even came up was because they were being investigated for Whitewater (which was a serious matter). Or how people don't even remember that the roots of the Great Recession pretty much originated from the Clinton Era, but blame Bush anyways even though Bush wanted to look into the financial organizations that were ground zero of the problem and started the processes of economic recovery for Barack Obama to take over. This isn't the media loving them, this is some serious political talent in order to get all that to just sweep under the rug.

We also have to take into account the ineptitude of the GOP. By working with the GOP, Clinton made himself look like the reasonable one when the GOP went forward with a government shutdown. Because they couldn't pin him down on things related to Whitewater, they pinned him down for a far lesser crime because they were so determined to impeach him, when they should have just let it go. Or how they kept on insisting to pin Clinton on something in non-scandals like Benghazi. There has been so much crying wolf or over-reaction to the point where it's hard to take the GOP seriously against the Clintons. The best strategy for the GOP to do is just do nothing and let everything around the Clintons crumble. But instead they pull stupid boneheaded moves and give the Clintons a fortifying wall to defend themselves.

And finally, the media is not in total awe of the Clintons, especially Hillary. Hillary and the media have never really been on good terms. The right thinking that the media ass kisses Hillary are delusional. Hillary (rightfully) disdains the media for their misogynistic portrayal of her, the excessive scrutiny to the point where they don't have private lives (and the Clintons value their privacy to a Nixonian level), and for dick-riding Obama during the 2008 primaries. Meanwhile, the media (rightfully) disdains Hillary for her attitude towards them (her handling of the e-mail scandal was essentially one big "F You" to the media), her calling the media a "right-wing conspiracy" for the scandals when the reality was that they were true, and the Clintons love of non-transparency and covering everything up (even the things that don't need to be covered up). This portrayal of Hillary that we get in the media is not because they love her, it's because she's a part of one of the most powerful political families in the the United States and the world. Hillary just being Hillary is news.

 

[SV Fan]

Or how they twisted history like his impeachment. People actually think that Clinton got impeached for getting a ******* when the reality is that he was impeached for perjury (which is a crime)

Well technically the perjury was about the BJ, which begs to question why would a Congress committee even waste 1 second investigating this in the first place if it's not a matter of national security. I get whitewater was legitimate, but after that it just felt like the republicans went on a witchhunt.

 

[herakles]

If one views the world in a black or white nature, sure it looks bad, but the world is not black and white. Simple fact is they collected alot of money for good causes(now if you can find misuses of that cash, that to me would be a scandal)

Well from what I understand you can not use foreign money to fund political campaigns. IF it is proven that she has used fund from the foundation or her campaign then....

 

[Kelly]

Technically she did nothing wrong, but it does look rather bad on her part. The Republicans should just have left it at that but instead they will drive this into the ground making people feel like what is the point of Government wasting time and money on this. Add to that the GOP basically turned Benghazi into a running joke with the amount of time and money wasted on all those hearings and are now trying to tie emails to Benghazi



The Clintons collected money for charity from people who live in bad countries. how is that a scandal? Even more the US deals with these countries so how is it not a scandal we deal with those countries?

She didn't break any laws, no...nor did she break any rules by simply using personal emails to conduct business, she did however, skirt the rules by using personal email EXCLUSIVELY. Code of Federal Regulations The code requires federal agencies to make and preserve records that duly document agency activity, so that they are readily available when needed -- such as for FOIA requests or congressional inquiries. Using personal email exclusively is contrary to proper record preservation. But, when they put these regulations in place, they put absolutely no teeth in them, therefore nothing will happen.

 

[Kelly]

Well from what I understand you can not use foreign money to fund political campaigns. IF it is proven that she has used fund from the foundation or her campaign then....

This could be the thorn in her side...

 

[SV Fan]

She didn't break any laws, no...nor did she break any rules by simply using personal emails to conduct business, she did however, skirt the rules by using personal email EXCLUSIVELY. Code of Federal Regulations The code requires federal agencies to make and preserve records that duly document agency activity, so that they are readily available when needed -- such as for FOIA requests or congressional inquiries. Using personal email exclusively is contrary to proper record preservation. But, when they put these regulations in place, they put absolutely no teeth in them, therefore nothing will happen.

As I said it looks shady, but if the republicans try and use this to find Hillary's BJ moment they are going to end up looking bad in the process. They should accept the victory of Hillary looking bad and leave it at that, but they most likely will push this until it becomes a positive for her(well negative for republicans, which intern will be positive for her)

 

[Kelly]

Well, honestly, if she keeps going with her campaign the way she has gone this first week out? they won't need to use it. It has been a horrid week for her....and it's just dumb ass stuff. Hell, I could run her campaign better than they are.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Well technically the perjury was about the BJ,

Perjury is still against the law. And so is obstruction of justice. Both of which Clinton very clearly did. And the peeks into the affair all came about because they were investigating Whitewater.

which begs to question why would a Congress committee even waste 1 second investigating this in the first place if it's not a matter of national security.

There are many things for Congress to investigate that don't involve national security. That is their job.

I get whitewater was legitimate, but after that it just felt like the republicans went on a witchhunt.

Ken Starr was looking into the suicide of Vince Foster, the abuses of power, and Whitewater. If those investigations didn't happen, Clinton's affair would not have gone public through the investigations. It probably would have gone public eventually because Clinton's sexual appetite was pretty well known even at that point, but it still doesn't change the fact that if it weren't for legitimate reasons, the Monica Lewinski affair would not have resulted in the way that it did.

Now I do agree that the Republicans should have let it go. While Clinton clearly broke the law and deserved the investigations happening to him, in the end, they could only tie him for something that is essentially a rather minor offense in comparison to the other stuff that Clinton was being investigated for. The GOP was determined to nail him for something and that is why it came off as a witch hunt, and deservedly so.

But just because what the GOP did was essentially a witch hunt, doesn't change the fact that Clinton was very clearly guilty and what he did was morally egregious. It's very hard to have any sympathy for that man and I find it disturbing that his surrogates have transformed the narrative that he got impeached for a ******* (which is far from the truth) and ****-shamed Lewinski.

 

[hippie_hunter]

As I said it looks shady, but if the republicans try and use this to find Hillary's BJ moment they are going to end up looking bad in the process. They should accept the victory of Hillary looking bad and leave it at that,

That's exactly what they should do.

but they most likely will push this until it becomes a positive for her(well negative for republicans, which intern will be positive for her)

That's exactly what will most likely happen

 

[Thundercrack85]

What did Hillary do this week besides go unrecognized at a Chipotle?

 

[Lily Adler]

She was championing for the common man at that Chipotle! Living as them, to see what it is like!

 

[souvlaki]

What did Hillary do this week besides go unrecognized at a Chipotle?

I was wondering the same thing. The media's handling of Clinton's first week is embarrassing but Clinton's campaign has been pretty low profile. But then if she were holding large rallies people would be ragging on her for being too cocky about her chances. There was the email thing in the NYT but that was not exactly something her campaign could control.

 

[hippie_hunter]

There was the email thing in the NYT but that was not exactly something her campaign could control.

While it still wouldn't have looked good, if she had a fully operational campaign apparatus, she could have controlled the situation much better. And even without a campaign apparatus, the way the Clintons handled the situation was horrendous. It was nothing but amateur hour, like Mitt Romney Amateur Hour.

 

[Kelly]

They need to let, and she needs to get over whatever is keeping her from.....simply going into a restaurant (yes, we know that they have to do some pre-setting things up to placate secret service), but go into a restaurant, sit down with various people and TALK FOR GOODNESS SAKE. Instead of going in and sitting down with people that are going to automatically agree with everything she says, damn not everything has to be staged. People are tired of staged photo ops, they want something real, truthful, upfront, transparent and not worried if people have something negative to say to them. I just want to see that from someone...

 

[herakles]

They need to let, and she needs to get over whatever is keeping her from.....simply going into a restaurant (yes, we know that they have to do some pre-setting things up to placate secret service), but go into a restaurant, sit down with various people and TALK FOR GOODNESS SAKE. Instead of going in and sitting down with people that are going to automatically agree with everything she says, damn not everything has to be staged. People are tired of staged photo ops, they want something real, truthful, upfront, transparent and not worried if people have something negative to say to them. I just want to see that from someone...

Come one we are talking about the Clintons Kelly, EVERYTHING is fake about them!

 

[SV Fan]

Come one we are talking about the Clintons Kelly, EVERYTHING is fake about them!

The are politicians, I think being fake goes with the job, it's just a case how good can you hide your fakeness

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'd be surprised if Hillary could have a conversation with normal people.

 

[SV Fan]

On the subject of fakeness I am glad the media picked up on how Hillary embellished her grandparents immigrant stories.

If there is 2 things I hate it's when people embellish their background or come up with a embellished if not fake story of somebody they met along the campaign trail who just happens to support your stance on a certain issue.

If the media vets all these stories maybe we will stop getting them

 

[Thundercrack85]

The most gratuitous to me was when Obama said that his uncle liberated Auschwitz. Anyone who knows anything about World War II knows there are some issues with that anecdote.

 

[Kelly]

Come one we are talking about the Clintons Kelly, EVERYTHING is fake about them!

Very true.... I'm just still hoping that there is someone that is more human than politician.

 

[herakles]

Very true.... I'm just still hoping that there is someone that is more human than politician.

Ross Perot?

I miss his Presidential debates!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls

Recent interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCf2wNTfNpM