The Clinton Thread II

[DeadPresident]

Turn the TV off.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think the term “White Water” is a manipulative, strategic term for people to associate with evil, because the image of white water makes you think of sperm, and that then correlates with Bill Clinton and how “immoral” and “sinful” the Clinton name is.

I'm going to pretend that's a joke.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I think the biggest thing for me about Hillary is the email snafu and the Benghazi scandal. Otherwise , I would vote for her because she has a good social policy regarding society's problems today

The email thing was stupid, but several investigations done by republican committees have concluded numerous times she did nothing wrong during Benghazi. It's amazing how FAUX news can run something into the ground and turn it into a negative simply based on the fact that nobody bothers to actually look into something after it happens and makes headlines

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Hillary Clinton Is Running For Capitulator-In-Chief

If Hillary Clinton’s stance on the minimum wage is any indicator, the Democratic party can expect a leader who specializes in the party’s greatest talent: capitulation.

For well over a year now, a national labor-led movement has been pushing to raise the wage of low-paid workers across America to $15 an hour. The movement has been more successful than one ever would have imagined. Several cities have in fact raised pay for some or all workers to that level; last week, New York state announced plans to raise fast food worker pay to $15 an hour over several years.

A nice thing, but one which raises the obvious question: why just raise wages in a single industry? (The real answer in this case is “that industry waged the best PR campaign for itself, which is not a wise way to set policy.”) If we believe that some low-wage workers deserve a $15 an hour minimum wage, we should believe that all low-wage workers do. We believe, in other words, in a federal minimum wage of $15 an hour. The minimum wage is at its heart a philosophical and moral issue: we choose to throw a wrench into the workings of the hallowed free market because we believe that there is a level of poverty that is unconscionable for working people to suffer in our country. One could reasonably argue for some slight variations—for example, a $15 an hour minimum wage that is indexed to the cost of living in a particular state—but fundamentally, Democrats who believe it’s good for fast food workers to get paid this much are obligated to extend that wage to everyone else.

And if Democrats don’t fight for this, I assure you that no one else will.

Bernie Sanders, the lone true progressive in the Democratic presidential race, supports a $15 an hour federal minimum wage. And Hillary Clinton? The face of the Democratic Party? The front-runner? The presumptive nominee? Yesterday—after a meeting with labor leaders!—Hillary voiced her support for a $12 an hour federal minimum wage bill that has been introduced as a sort of quasi-moderate counterweight to the $15 an hour movement. In order to be sure to have it both ways, she also voiced support for the municipal efforts happening across America that set wages higher. Why $12 an hour for America’s poorest workers, instead of $15?

“Let’s not just do it for the sake of having a higher number out there,” Hillary said, “let’s actually get behind a proposal that has a chance of succeeding.”

Certainly, the $15 an hour wage for the working class has no chance of succeeding if the Democratic presidential candidate does not support it.

http://gawker.com/hillary-clinton-is-running-for-capitulator-in-chief-1721296939

Ever the politician. Always playing it safe is what cost her major points in the 2008 elections and it seems she is making the same mistakes again. There is a real possibility of her turning off a good majority of the base.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

She's never been that good of a politician (that skill belongs to Bill.) She basically got her Senate seat because of her name and two very weak Republican opponents. She'll say anything as long as it gets her some votes, no matter if she truly believes it. As for turning off the base, she definitely has since my mom, who's been as strong of a Hillary supporter as anyone, has said she couldn't vote for her because of all the baggage she has from Bill, her lack of accomplishments as Secretary of State, and the repeated cases of her not being completely trustworthy.

 

[herakles]

An internal government review of Clinton's emails by the State Department and intelligence committee states that Clinton did indeed send classified information through her private email account. Out of a sample of 40 emails, 4 of them contained classified information. However, because they were not labeled as classified it is unknown if Clinton willingly sent classified information or if she did it by accident. The Justice Department has received a referral from at least one inspector general that could lead to a criminal investigation.

Doesn't matter. she should NOT have been using a personal email for Government business in the first place! One more reason to NOT vote for her!

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

She's never been that good of a politician (that skill belongs to Bill.) She basically got her Senate seat because of her name and two very weak Republican opponents. She'll say anything as long as it gets her some votes, no matter if she truly believes it. As for turning off the base, she definitely has since my mom, who's been as strong of a Hillary supporter as anyone, has said she couldn't vote for her because of all the baggage she has from Bill, her lack of accomplishments as Secretary of State, and the repeated cases of her not being completely trustworthy.

If anything kills her run that is going to be it. She is going to have to learn how to commit to something and try and make a statement and then actually stick to it. But we are a long way out from any actual campaign so I can almost understand her wanting to not make any waves right now. But if there is one thing to be learned from both Trump and Sanders' campaigns is that the American public is screaming for something besides the status quo and if she runs her campaign like she is now and the R's can find a candidate to fire up their base it will be game over for Hillary yet again. But of the contenders for the GOP right now the only person who seems to befiring them up is Trump and he is bats*** insane (I, for one, am loving every minute of it). I know a lot of people think Rubio could be the guy to do it but he has no personality and has already proven he will lay down when the establishment tells him to reign it in, that is going to be what kills his campaign

 

[Legendver2]

So what do you guys think are the chances of Biden putting a bid for a run? And if he did, what are your thoughts?

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

So what do you guys think are the chances of Biden putting a bid for a run? And if he did, what are your thoughts?

You'll have better luck discussing that here in the 2016 Democratic presidential runners thread found here:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=500167

This thread is primarily focused on the Clintons

 

[Thundercrack85]

So what do you guys think are the chances of Biden putting a bid for a run? And if he did, what are your thoughts?

I think the chances are decent. The interesting thing is what the president will do, given that Hillary is also in the running.

 

[Charlatan]

maybe the most unfortunate dot dot dot of social media ever.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

How do you think she kept Bill around all those years?

 

[Charlatan]

How do you think she kept Bill around all those years?

I just figured she knows where all the bodies are buried.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

As the nation’s chief diplomat, Hillary Clinton was responsible for ascertaining whether information in her possession was classified and acknowledged that “negligent handling” of that information could jeopardize national security, according to a copy of an agreement she signed upon taking the job.

A day after assuming office as secretary of state, Clinton signed a Sensitive Compartmented Information Nondisclosure Agreement that laid out criminal penalties for “any unauthorized disclosure” of classified information.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/clin...penalties-for-mishandling-of-classified-info/

She should have criminal charges laid against her. I find it an outrage that she hasn't already. At least two top secret emails were found among hundreds of others that were deemed classified in a small sampling of her email.

The “Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement,” or SF-312, also makes clear that “classified information is marked or unmarked classified information, including oral communications.”

http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/06/d...larys-classified-email-defense/#ixzz3r6FvYBK8

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Another potential black eye for Clinton's campaign as she was caught laughing at a supporter's commen/tquestion where he said he wanted to strangle Carly Fiorina every time he saw her face on TV. No response yet from her campaign.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hill...rter-says-he-wants-to-strangle-carly-fiorina/

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-laugh-carly-fiorina-strangle-comment-215684

 

[Marvolo]

How is that a black eye? Lots of people would probably like to strangle Carly.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

How is that a black eye? Lots of people would probably like to strangle Carly.

So wanting to commit violence against a woman is okay to laugh at so long as it's a Republican? You full well know that if Republican had laughed at the same type of comment directed at Hillary that people would be up in arms about it. Kinda of a double standard.

 

[DeadPresident]

It's reaching to include violence against a woman as part of that statement because an implicit component of that part assumes her being a woman contributes to why he wants to strangle her. Sometimes, very rarely, in galaxies far, far away, people are judged according to their behaviour and not everything is directly caused by their demographic makeup.

 

[SV Fan]

It's reaching to include violence against a woman as part of that statement because an implicit component of that part assumes her being a woman contributes to why he wants to strangle her. Sometimes, very rarely, in galaxies far, far away, people are judged according to their behaviour and not everything is directly caused by their demographic makeup.

Didn't the guy said he worked at HP? Wouldn't the guy want to strangle her because she used to be his Boss and he got canned because of her actions?

I guess you can argue it looked bad and that's fair but given the amount of vitriol Fiorina has spewed towards Hillary in the past 6 months I don't think it's as bad if she laughed at somebody who never said anything bad about her before

 

[Marvolo]

So wanting to commit violence against a woman is okay to laugh at so long as it's a Republican? You full well know that if Republican had laughed at the same type of comment directed at Hillary that people would be up in arms about it. Kinda of a double standard.

Youre assuming he wants to strangle her because she is a woman, and not for another reason. Furthermore you are assuming the person would actually strangle her. You've never said youd like to strangle or hit someone that you were frustrated or upset by? I have. Doesnt mean Id actually do it or have any intention of doing it. Its just a common way of expressing frustration or dislike towards a person.

Hillary being a normal human and understanding various forms of human expression laughed at the persons frustration or dislike of Fiorina.

In short, lighten up and rember that not everything is meant to be taken so literally. Fiorina's neck isnt in danger and Hillary obviously isn't condoning strangulation.

 

[chaseter]

Hillary isn't a normal human.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Youre assuming he wants to strangle her because she is a woman, and not for another reason. Furthermore you are assuming the person would actually strangle her. You've never said youd like to strangle or hit someone that you were frustrated or upset by? I have. Doesnt mean Id actually do it or have any intention of doing it. Its just a common way of expressing frustration or dislike towards a person.

Hillary being a normal human and understanding various forms of human expression laughed at the persons frustration or dislike of Fiorina.

In short, lighten up and rember that not everything is meant to be taken so literally. Fiorina's neck isnt in danger and Hillary obviously isn't condoning strangulation.

My annoyance really isn't with what was said or even Hillary's reaction, but more along the lines of how it epitomizes my issues with the American left. If this were a Republican gathering and the candidate was a Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio the lefties would be playing the faux-outrage card of how the candidate is endorsing violence, is sexist, etc. If were the other way around, the left would not be lightening up like you say Webfoot should.

 

[chaseter]

Yup.

 

[summerteeth]

Youre assuming he wants to strangle her because she is a woman, and not for another reason. Furthermore you are assuming the person would actually strangle her. You've never said youd like to strangle or hit someone that you were frustrated or upset by? I have. Doesnt mean Id actually do it or have any intention of doing it. Its just a common way of expressing frustration or dislike towards a person.

Hillary being a normal human and understanding various forms of human expression laughed at the persons frustration or dislike of Fiorina.

In short, lighten up and rember that not everything is meant to be taken so literally. Fiorina's neck isnt in danger and Hillary obviously isn't condoning strangulation.

This is all correct, but the point still stands that if a Republican did this it would be news and he would be getting crushed in the press.

 

[SV Fan]

My annoyance really isn't with what was said or even Hillary's reaction, but more along the lines of how it epitomizes my issues with the American left. If this were a Republican gathering and the candidate was a Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio the lefties would be playing the faux-outrage card of how the candidate is endorsing violence, is sexist, etc. If were the other way around, the left would not be lightening up like you say Webfoot should.

I think it depends, if Hillary attacked the person who laughed at the comment for 6 months calling them a criminal then it's fair game for them to laugh