The Clinton Thread

[souvlaki]

Yes, everywhere is saying it. Hillary quitting on Friday.

Yep... just announced on MSNBC. And she's endorsing him to boot. Crap... good show, Hillary.

 

[souvlaki]

And she is suspending her campaign... not ending it. It's the right move, and hopefully the Democratic Party can move on and focus on November now for a change.

 

[The Major]

You act as if Obama is somehow entitled to these votes.

He's got more rights to it then Clinton does right now. He won, she lost.

 

[The Major]

But Obama has ways to remedey this. He can try talking to those voters instead of talking down to them behind their backs (bitter-gate, anyone?).

He can appeal to the Hillary voters without giving her everything she wants.

The majority shouldn't have a problem voting for him in the general election. They won't like it, of course but if they are loyal Democrats it shouldn't matter.

The only ones it will affect would be the hardcore Hillary fanatics who aren't going to be pleased until Hillary gets everything and more. These people need to be ignored since they'll never, ever come around.

He can bring Clinton onto his ticket. He can stop ignoring the blue collar vote. There are plenty of ways to remedey the situation. The buck stops with Obama, not Clinton.

Yes, the buck does stop with Obama. Which is why Clinton should have no leverage over anything with his decisions.

From her actions within the primaries to her general reactions to his campaign she has been a constant source of hatred, entitlement and never ending one-up-manship. Any chance she had of being VP she lost in the numerous mistakes there. She simply hasn't earned to be in Obama's good graces, she deserves to be ignored not enabled.

Obama has always been more then fair with Hillary. Yet she hasn't returned the courtesy not even when he officially won the race.

Obama hasn't ignored the blue collar vote. The ones who don't like him now either are beyond his power to ever get or Hillary die hards but the majority will come around once the discover how bad McCain is.

 

[The Major]

The "Dream ticket," in my opinion has become a nightmare ticket...

It is the dream ticket. For the media and the G.O.P.

For the Democratic party and Obama it's the nightmare ticket.

but at this point, I'm not sure Obama has another choice.

Of course Obama has a choice.

 

[Sebastos]

I don't know, I feel that she shouldn't be the VP only cause of Bill. With the news going on about him mostly all the time it'd just be more bagage for Obama to be associated with.

I think maybe someone like Edwards should be the VP.

 

[The Major]

I don't know, I feel that she shouldn't be the VP only cause of Bill. With the news going on about him mostly all the time it'd just be more bagage for Obama to be associated with.

Bill's just one of the reasons she shouldn't be VP.

I think maybe someone like Edwards should be the VP.

That would be great.

 

[Sebastos]

Bill's just one of the reasons she shouldn't be VP.

My sentiments exaclty.

That would be great.

 

[Excel]

From her actions within the primaries to her general reactions to his campaign she has been a constant source of hatred, entitlement and never ending one-up-manship. Any chance she had of being VP she lost in the numerous mistakes there. She simply hasn't earned to be in Obama's good graces, she deserves to be ignored not enabled.

Amazing...

 

[Prison Mike]

I hope Edwards gets the VP pick

 

[Matt]

They won't like it, of course but if they are loyal Democrats it shouldn't matter.

People shouldn't be loyal to a party. They do not exisit to serve the party or any candidate. The candidate should adjust for them as they exisit to serve the people. Not the other way around.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I don't like Hillary. i already had beef with her and after introducing herself as the next president of the united states, and referring to herself as the better candidate, the one with the most votes, and saying she'd be the better president, AFTER Obama clinched the nominatin is just an insult to the entire party. He won. She should have been gracious, instead of trying to paint herself as superior to our nominee. And she only has the popular vote if you count Michigian where Obama didn't get any votes at all, because his name wasn't on the ballot. Yeah I'd win too, if I had nobody to run against.

She's turned her supporters against our partys nominee, and now the only possible way to prevent them from voting for McCain out of spite, is to put her on the ticket as VP. It's gross, it's sickening, and I don't like it, but it's the only way. I support Clinton for VP.

 

[Marx]

I don't like Hillary. i already had beef with her and after introducing herself as the next president of the united states, and referring to herself as the better candidate, the one with the most votes, and saying she'd be the better president, AFTER Obama clinched the nominatin is just an insult to the entire party. He won. She should have been gracious, instead of trying to paint herself as superior to our nominee. And she only has the popular vote if you count Michigian where Obama didn't get any votes at all, because his name wasn't on the ballot. Yeah I'd win too, if I had nobody to run against.

Michigan was reinstated by the DNC Spider. Those votes should count.

She's turned her supporters against our partys nominee, and now the only possible way to prevent them from voting for McCain out of spite, is to put her on the ticket as VP. It's gross, it's sickening, and I don't like it, but it's the only way. I support Clinton for VP.

Hillary and her supporters are also party of the Democratic Party. And let's not forget they just happen to be the OTHER HALF of that party. And ill-will on the Clinton campaign side stems from the Obama campaign, and vice versa. There has been a rift for quite some time. It's not going to go away just because Obama gained the nomination.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Michigan was reinstated by the DNC Spider. Those votes should count.

Count towards what exactly?

The popular vote does not get you the nomination. It only influences the superdelegates, and in this instance it would be immoral to conosider the popular vote of either Florida or Michigain. You don't allow voters to sit at home, and candidates to take their name off the ballot under the false pretense that their votes wont count, and then say "sike, fooled ya" afterwards. She only won the dishonest, unfair popular vote. In the honest popular vote which includes only elections done fairly according to procedure, he whooped her ass. To say were only going to count votes cast by Hillary supporters and NONE of the votes casted by Obama's supporters is dishonest. It's a highway robbery of democracy. I guess that's what they mean when they say this is still a Republic and not a Democracy. The overwhelming majority of voters who voted uncommitted said they were Obama supporters. Had they had the option to vote for their candidate, than Obama would be winning the popular vote, even if you included MI. And who knows what would have happened had voters not been told their vote wouldn't have counted.

The DNC reinstated the delegates. That has no bearing on whether or not the votes need to be recognized or considered by anybody. It doesn't. Why would anybody care what the vote was in an unfair election? You know Saddam Hussein always won his popular vote too. That doesn't mean that most of Iraq's citizens supported his presidency.

Hillary and her supporters are also party of the Democratic Party. And let's not forget they just happen to be the OTHER HALF of that party. And ill-will on the Clinton campaign side stems from the Obama campaign, and vice versa. There has been a rift for quite some time. It's not going to go away just because Obama gained the nomination.

I know it wont. Hillary is counting on that. That is why she did not even congratualte him yet on his victory. She's going to try and blackmale him. If she gets what she wants, than she will try to bring her supporters over to his camp. This is just another example of old politics. It's dirty and downright awful. No possible way I will vote for her in 2012, or 2016. She comes first and her party comes second. I have never, seen a candidate lose so sorely in my life. Even John Kerry congratulated Bush, the next day. Yet Hillary has not congratulated Obama, even though she knew he was the nominee for months now.

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Michigan was reinstated by the DNC Spider. Those votes should count.

Count towards what exactly?

 

[UltimateJustin]

I, too, have never witnessed a candidate, do the things that Ill Hill has attempted, in terms of wildly obvious smearing and, as well, as, other things.

 

[Downhere]

I don't like Hillary. i already had beef with her and after introducing herself as the next president of the united states, and referring to herself as the better candidate, the one with the most votes, and saying she'd be the better president, AFTER Obama clinched the nominatin is just an insult to the entire party. He won. She should have been gracious, instead of trying to paint herself as superior to our nominee. And she only has the popular vote if you count Michigian where Obama didn't get any votes at all, because his name wasn't on the ballot. Yeah I'd win too, if I had nobody to run against.

She's turned her supporters against our partys nominee, and now the only possible way to prevent them from voting for McCain out of spite, is to put her on the ticket as VP. It's gross, it's sickening, and I don't like it, but it's the only way. I support Clinton for VP.

Well, if Clinton would be the VP, I'd actually consider going out and voting for Obama. But, as of now I don't plan on voting for either side as Obama and McCain just don't do much for me. So, I think Obama would have a better chance of winning with Clinton as his VP.

 

[Comicfilmer]

I, too, have never witnessed a candidate, do the things that Ill Hill has attempted, in terms of wildly obvious smearing and, as well, as, other things.

I, think, you, may, have, used, a, few, too, many, commas. t:

 

[Spider-Bite]

Well, if Clinton would be the VP, I'd actually consider going out and voting for Obama. But, as of now I don't plan on voting for either side as Obama and McCain just don't do much for me. So, I think Obama would have a better chance of winning with Clinton as his VP.

that's the only reason I want her as VP, because she created voters like you who become more committed to the candidate than the party. There are no qualities you have seen in Hillary that weren't there in Obama. If you want things done that Hillary promised to do, than the only way they are getting done is if Obama is elected. Remember Obama is a democrat, just like Hillary, with the same positions on the issues.

There is only one policy, difference between them. Obama will do what is necessary to prevent another Iraq debacle, and HIllary wont, just as she did not before.

 

[Darthphere]

There is only one policy, difference between them. Obama will do what is necessary to prevent another Iraq debacle, and HIllary wont, just as she did not before.

 

[jaguarr]

I, too, have never witnessed a candidate, do the things that Ill Hill has attempted, in terms of wildly obvious smearing and, as well, as, other things.

I read this in my mind as if William Shatner was speaking it to me and it TOTALLY worked.

jag

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Pandering is a part of politics. And Obama has already done his fair share of it. The point is that Obama may have no other choice than to put Clinton on the ticket in order to unify the party.

A Clinton concession is not going to automatically throw all of her supporters behind Obama. I think to suggest that it would is ridiculous.

Never said pandering wasn't a part of politics, I know Obama has pandered to the people, but he hasn't done it nearly as transparently as Hillary has.

 

[Excel]

Nobody is saying a Clinton concession will make her supporters fal lbehind Obama; we are just saying they never will fall behind him until she does.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Wow...she's being a total b*tch.

 

[kainedamo]

What's the latest with this? Any news clips or reports from Clinton?

 

[kal-el2006]

only that she is "suspending her campaign" not ending it..which means leaving her name on the nomination at the convention..i think she's up to something..and half ASS endorsing obama..another reason for moving it friday to saturday because..friday is the anniversary of rfk death..and we all know how that went with clinton..which begs the question..
doesn't "suspending" mean that she retains her delegates through the convention but "ending" would mean the delegates are released to vote as they please?