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/while I understand what she was saying and I would give her the benefit of the doubt, but the truth is she has said it before and there are many other things it presidentail history she could have used as a example. I think the supers have to step in and save Clinton from her self.
 
I don't want to see her involved in any presidential administration from this point forward. If Obama picks her as his running mate, mark my words, I will refuse to support him for President.
 
/while I understand what she was saying and I would give her the benefit of the doubt, but the truth is she has said it before and there are many other things it presidentail history she could have used as a example. I think the supers have to step in and save Clinton from her self.

Well, that's the thing. I don't think she was outright advocating one of her supporters to go out and finish the job for her, but just wording it the way she did, and the timing of the whole thing was just so unbelievably tasteless I can't possibly give her the benefit of the doubt for it. Besides, why should she be given the benefit of the doubt when she doesn't give Obama the same courtesy when he puts his foot in his mouth? The second Obama makes a so-called "mis-statement" it becomes the subject of her stump speeches for weeks on end. She deserves the same treatment. At least Obama has had the common sense not to kick her while she's down this time. He's smart enough to know he doesn't really need to, the media will do it for him. If the situation were reversed I guarantee she'd be talking about it at every opportunity.
 
I didn't think he would choose her for VP before this. Now I'm just doubly sure there is no way he's gonna pick her.
 
I don't want to see her involved in any presidential administration from this point forward. If Obama picks her as his running mate, mark my words, I will refuse to support him for President.

I really don't think it will happen. There have been people within the Obama campaign that said in the last few days she's not on Obama's shortlist, so short of her somehow pushing herself onto the ticket I don't think it's possible. And really, she may have forfeited any bargaining power she once had after yesterday. It doesn't look like the media is going to let this slide.
 
I don't want to see her involved in any presidential administration from this point forward. If Obama picks her as his running mate, mark my words, I will refuse to support him for President.

Agreed 1000 percent. I doubt it would happen now though.

I couldn't stand her before because I thought she was low and sleazy. Her campaign has been playing these dirty games from the very beginning, but it's enough.
 
Why is anyone surprise. You all have been giving fair warning time and time again, about this woman psyche, Socialist Ideology, and power hunger. And many of her staunch and closet supporters will continue openly, secretly, and subtlety support her over Obama, who have nothing less than Class in his campaign, whelther one agree with him or not.

"There are many fools in the land... most great Empires fall because of them" - Serengeti

Wait a minute... if Hillary is a socialist, then isn't Obama? Their campaign platforms are 98% identical...

:huh:
 
IMO If this had been a one time deal I don't think it would be that big of a deal but since this wasn't the first time she's said it I'm not so sure it was just a "gaffe".

The only thing that MIGHT save her from this is the fact that she said it on the friday before memorial weekend. I don't think many will be paying attention to the news this weekend and by Tuesday it will have died down some. I bet that's what she's hoping for anyway.
 
IMO If this had been a one time deal I don't think it would be that big of a deal but since this wasn't the first time she's said it I'm not so sure it was just a "gaffe".

The only thing that MIGHT save her from this is the fact that she said it on the friday before memorial weekend. I don't think many will be paying attention to the news this weekend and by Tuesday it will have died down some. I bet that's what she's hoping for anyway.

If Bittergate could last for over a week, this can. If I remember correctly, that story broke on a Friday as well.

Hell, the Bosnia story lasted longer than Bittergate, and in my opinion this is probably worse, especially given the timing of the remark.
 
this to me can last longer and be used as a means for some supers to back Obama. I feel they may use it to say well this kills any chance she may have had so its okay for me to back the other guy now.
 
Well, I was wondering what the Kennedy family thought about that comment. Looks like they finally are talking about it:


KENNEDYS FEEL BOBBY-SOCKED
OUTRAGED RFK KIN SAY HILL'S NOW TOAST
By GEOFF EARLE, BRADEN KEIL and ANGELA MONTEFINISE


May 25, 2008 --

Members of the Kennedy family are incensed over Hillary Rodham Clinton's invoking the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy to explain why she's staying in the race - and they think it could be the death knell of an increasingly desperate and sloppy campaign.

"That comment may be the last nail in her campaign's coffin," a Kennedy relative told The Post. "How can Hillary even use the experience argument when she repeatedly pushes the wrong buttons in her comments?"

An insider added, "I think people really felt that a line was crossed and that her campaign - and even her legitimacy as a politician - ended today."

Said a second relative, "She no longer has only her husband to blame for the ill-chosen comments coming from her camp."

While Robert Kennedy Jr. immediately came out in support of Sen. Clinton on Friday, others in the family's inner circle are fuming.

One cited "a perceived insensitivity" in her comment, made Friday before a South Dakota newspaper's editorial board, especially with the 40th anniversary of RFK's death two weeks away and Sen. Ted Kennedy battling a brain tumor.

"We were all sort of dumbfounded that she would say such a thing," the insider said.

There was also anger outside the family. Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY), a Hillary supporter, told Bloomberg News that she said "the dumbest thing you could have possibly said." And the Rev. Al Sharpton ripped the comment as dangerous.

The Kennedy family insider added: "I know that many Clinton supporters in New York and New Jersey are sickened by her comments and that they are more concerned with Senator Kennedy's health and well-being than they are her campaign anymore.

Clinton was explaining why she was still in the race against Sen. Barack Obama when she said: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June. Right?"

Then she added: "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California."

That line, which she later said was meant to convey the fact that nomination battles can extend late into the primary season, also sparked outrage for touching upon Obama's personal safety.

It was also just plain inaccurate, say historians, noting that Clinton's drawn-out battle with Obama in a seemingly endless primary season is nothing like the 1968 and 1992 Democratic campaigns.

Bobby Kennedy was not in the midst of a long-fought primary battle when he was assassinated. He entered the race on March 16, 1968, less than three months before the June 5 shooting.

As for Bill Clinton, despite his wife's perceptions, he'd won the nomination long before mid-June 1992. The race was essentially over by March 20, when Paul Tsongas dropped out and Clinton became the front-runner with a 7-to-1 delegate lead over Jerry Brown.

Obama, meanwhile, plans to give the commencement speech at Wesleyan University's graduation today in Connecticut, replacing the ailing Ted Kennedy.

Obama will be greeted by an unprecedented amount of security. The ceremony will be closed to the public, and guests will have to go through metal detectors.

One presidential historian thinks Clinton's loose-lipped reference to assassination raises the danger of someone's targeting Obama.

"Everybody, in the back of their minds, has been thinking of this, that Senator Obama could be in danger," said Rick Shenkman, a professor at George Mason University in Virginia.

"Now it's out there. It only takes one psycho."

In a radio interview yesterday in Puerto Rico, Obama said that he had accepted the apology Clinton issued Friday and that her comment about RFK was just "careless."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05252008/news/nationalnews/kennedys_feel_bobby_socked_112469.htm?page=2
 
If Clinton can keep him from securing the nomination following the final primaries, he may have no choice but to bring her on board simply to end the election as opposed to risking a second ballot at the convention. This is a very possible scenario if Michigan and Florida get seated next saturday and bump up the needed delegates.
 
If Clinton can keep him from securing the nomination following the final primaries, he may have no choice but to bring her on board simply to end the election as opposed to risking a second ballot at the convention. This is a very possible scenario if Michigan and Florida get seated next saturday and bump up the needed delegates.

I would rather have the election go to a second ballot than have him resort to bringing her on board. I will not vote for an Obama/ Clinton ticket.
 
Y'know what is really frustrating me about all of this is Clinton and a lot of Clinton supporters are saying people are making a big deal over nothing, the press is making it a bigger deal than it is, and how Obama would never receive this sort of treatment in the media etc. etc. A little over a week ago they pounced on the Bittergate storyline along with every news station in the US like it was the worst thing a politician ever said. People have such short memories in this campaign.
 
I would rather have the election go to a second ballot than have him resort to bringing her on board. I will not vote for an Obama/ Clinton ticket.

I really don't think you have to worry about that. It's not going to happen. And if it does, I'll probably be thinking long and hard before I vote for Obama too.
 
Y'know what is really frustrating me about all of this is Clinton and a lot of Clinton supporters are saying people are making a big deal over nothing, the press is making it a bigger deal than it is, and how Obama would never receive this sort of treatment in the media etc. etc. A little over a week ago they pounced on the Bittergate storyline along with every news station in the US like it was the worst thing a politician ever said. People have such short memories in this campaign.

If Obama does it, it's simply unacceptable.

If Obama wins the most caucus states, that's unacceptable. If Obama says bad things about voters at a private dinner, it's unacceptable (and she really shouldn't be talking about bad things said in private). If Obama refuses to campaign in Michigan and Florida, it's simply unacceptable. And if Obama steals the nomination from Hillary, that's unacceptable, too.

You know, if Obama was behind and said something like "well, if you take away states Democrats don't win, like Texas and Kentucky, I'd be leading in the popular vote," her campaign would be throwing a **** fit. The media would laugh him out of existence. And if Obama said "well, RFK was assassinated in June 1968," he would have been ridiculed to no end.

This is getting out of control.
 
I really don't think you have to worry about that. It's not going to happen. And if it does, I'll probably be thinking long and hard before I vote for Obama too.

I think it may be a neccessity. He is running a HUGE risk by having Hillary Clinton in this election through August. He may just have to give her the spot to get her to end the campaign as opposed to being attacked on two fronts, from both McCain and Clinton (because if this does come to the convention, Clinton is going to have to spend June through August attacking Obama's electability. Otherwise she will have no case for the SDs).
 
With the entire response to her recent comments, I think her case is lost
 
I think it may be a neccessity. He is running a HUGE risk by having Hillary Clinton in this election through August. He may just have to give her the spot to get her to end the campaign as opposed to being attacked on two fronts, from both McCain and Clinton (because if this does come to the convention, Clinton is going to have to spend June through August attacking Obama's electability. Otherwise she will have no case for the SDs).

Electability is kind of a bull **** argument. What proof does she have that she is the "most electable?" Is she going to go by states she won in the Democratic Primary? Or is she going to look at recent polls, as she did in that opinion piece? Because if she is looking at recent polls, she doesn't have much of an argument. Obama wins PA, Ohio, Virginia, Iowa, Indiana, Colorado, New Mexico and New Hampshire. He wins against McCain, with 300 electoral votes exactly. She has no solid argument. She can say "well I win blue collar voters" but there's no solid evidence that he won't win in November.
 
The only thing that MIGHT save her from this is the fact that she said it on the friday before memorial weekend. I don't think many will be paying attention to the news this weekend

Perhaps. But it only takes one psycho idiot to pick up on this hint during Memorial Weekend...and take it to the next level by knocking Obama off for her. :down
 
Clinton as far as I'm concerned may well have surpassed Bush as the biggest *****e bag in modern day politics with that comment. She is truly as vile as they come. If she doesn't drop out in the coming weeks (or sooner) to perhaps save some shresd of integrity, it will officially be obvious to all that she is totally in this for personal gain and not much else.
 
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