The Daily Planet Vol. 2: Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[donuts]

Let’s be clear: the harassment is a far more serious issue than the stupid question.

Some people need to have their Internet taken awwy from them

 

[Gu3ree]

Gunn saying we'll see Superman again sooner than we think...I assume he means in either Peacemaker or Supergirl. Not that I'm deliberately complaining, but going back to a dozen years ago, when people we're waiting for a Man of Steel sequel announcement, they gave us Batman v Superman instead. Gunn is building a universe, I get it. I want to see Superman appears in others films too, but I think Supes deserves his own solo series as well, which I hope Gunn will continue to work on, but I hope he's open to other writers handling a Superman sequel, and not just himself only. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he say a while back that he may not make a direct sequel to Superman?

 

[donuts]

Gunn saying we'll see Superman again sooner than we think...I assume he means in either Peacemaker or Supergirl. Not that I'm deliberately complaining, but going back to a dozen years ago, when people we're waiting for a Man of Steel sequel announcement, they gave us Batman v Superman instead. Gunn is building a universe, I get it. I want to see Superman appears in others films too, but I think Supes deserves his own solo series as well, which I hope Gunn will continue to work on, but I hope he's open to other writers handling a Superman sequel, and not just himself only. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he say a while back that he may not make a direct sequel to Superman?

Dude, chill

 

[chintai80]

It goes along with how Grant Morrison described the character.

"For me, Superman has the same problems we do, but on a Paul Bunyan scale. If Superman walks the dog, he walks it around the asteroid belt because it can fly in space. When Superman’s relatives visit, they come from the 31st century and bring some hellish monster conqueror from the future. But it’s still a story about your relatives visiting."

Krypto wrecking up Superman's super secret lair is essentially your pet making a mess out of your room, something a lot of pet owners can relate to.

exactly.

like when superman sees that kaiju and goes "good gosh!" because he probably hasn't fought any creature that big before in this story.

that would be like us trying to hit a deadlift pr - which can be intimidating, because you've trained for it up to this point, but you're not entirely sure you can do it, since it will be a first for you.

i think gunn has nailed it in making superman relatable in movies again - which felt like it has been missing for awhile now.

 

[Filmfan93]

 

[Gothamsknight]

The action scenes look amazing. Pretty confident the opening is gonna be explosive.

 

[Still Wynning]

Unfortunately, we live in a time where politics and issues such as a crisis of gender/masculinity have consumed the discourse surrounding film, games and other media.

The campaign and first term of Donald Trump was shaped - literally - by GamerGate (look it up).

And in this insane radicalization of men - certain IPs and characters have been centered as paragons/symbols of ideal masculinity. And they're framed as being under attack, therefore, your masculinity is under attack too.

Superman is one of those characters. Snyder's version, one of stoicism, God-like strength, frustration and giga-chad jawline is seen as a form of peak masculinity. Snyder's films being dour, angsty, faux-deep slogs is also what they feel represents 'cinema'. Because seriousness = credibility. Which they desperately want.

They never 'got' Superman, though. Superman is as non-toxic of a masculine character as can be. He has emotions, he has doubt, he has fear and feels alienated. He is gentle at heart because he knows how strong he is.

He does the right thing. And none of this makes him boring! It makes him compelling, that someone with the strength and powers that he has chooses to do the right thing and be a good person. That is an anomaly in our world, and it remains his greatest superpower, though.

The fans you're referring to are the types who don't understand that power is not brute force; but look at our current American politics. Brute force is now considered peak power.

Superman is aspirational. But their idea of what is aspirational about him asks nothing of them - it only asks for nihilism, brute-force and stoicism.

It is like that scene in Schindler's List where Oskar describes what true power is. Restraint, humility, and forgiveness is true power. Not force and exercising your ability to exert will on others. That's why Superman is a great character and endures.

Goodness is not boring.
Brute force, stoicism and angst are not some form of masculine perfection.

One can dislike this film or how it looks quality-wise, but if you tell me that it's not 'Superman', then you don't understand the character.

I'm tired of a character as good as Superman being bent and contorted into something he is not.

Superman IS goodness.
Not toxicity.

I really hope that, the same way the original Star Wars and Superman 1978 positively affected and changed a cynical American culture steeped in the feelings and sentiments of the Vietnam War, Superman opens the eyes and hearts of many people who go see it to see that goodness and kindness are not weaknesses, completely shatters the toxic views and lies fed to them about what it means to be a “good person”/“American“/“man“ by people like Trump and the manosphere and they turn away from their horrible ways and become better people. This country really needs a strong positive example and role model to wake them back up and bring them back to the light.

Maybe I’m hoping for too much. Then again, that’s what Superman is all about. And if there’s any popular fictional character who can help turn things around, it’s him.

At this point I understand folks complaining of this seeming "goofy". Because it is, Superman's mythical lair in the Arctic being messed up by a caped dog is a goofy concept that would fit in a Disney cartoon. Yet for my money, I don't mind it, and dig it completely. The absurdity of it doesn't eclipse the sweetness factor of Superman having something vulnerable to care about and look after, and the fun of dealing with the reversal of someone else's superpowers being an annoying inconvenience. It's just an extension of the already over-the-top-ness of the Superman world as it is. Like the talking portraits in Harry Potter, talking trees in LOTR, a Muppet training Luke. Goofy, yes. Does it clash, not necessarily.

Even the dog being the reason Superman barges into Lex's office I find... works. The movie's dog being put in peril might be an easy trick, but the audience will care. It'll make them root for the hero and despise the villain. More than if the reason was some random MacGuffin.

Earnestness can go a long way in making anything, even the most absurd and ridiculous things, work.

Hell, the character of a film could be a rock, and, as long as it’s approached with total sincerity and honesty, people will buy it.

 

[flickchick85]

Hell, the character of a film could be a rock, and, as long as it’s approached with total sincerity and honesty, people will buy it.

 

[jetage]

If anyone in the US is interested CBS Sunday Morning will have Gunn and David on in the next hour or so

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Gunn saying we'll see Superman again sooner than we think...I assume he means in either Peacemaker or Supergirl. Not that I'm deliberately complaining, but going back to a dozen years ago, when people we're waiting for a Man of Steel sequel announcement, they gave us Batman v Superman instead. Gunn is building a universe, I get it. I want to see Superman appears in others films too, but I think Supes deserves his own solo series as well, which I hope Gunn will continue to work on, but I hope he's open to other writers handling a Superman sequel, and not just himself only. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he say a while back that he may not make a direct sequel to Superman?

I took his comments to mean that while a traditional Supes sequel could release as early as two years from now, we'll likely see the character, as portrayed by David, in other DCU projects first. Sounds reasonable.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

If anyone in the US is interested CBS Sunday Morning will have Gunn and David on in the next hour or so

I recorded it. About to watch now.

 

[Lily Adler]

I recorded it. About to watch now.

Don't forget to screencast it and make GIFs.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Don't forget to screencast it and make GIFs.

 

[Superark]

This movie is going to be a visual feast.