The Daily Planet Vol. 2: Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[flickchick85]

Is this the one with the fortress with Superman/Krypto at the entrance?
If so you're lucky to snag one, those sold out super (no pun ) quick in the UK.

It was limited edition but I'd love to know how limited it was as they were out of stock by the time I'd checked.

Yep thats’s the one! It sold out fairly quickly here too.

 

[Galactus123]

Is that... a Wampa?
How far is Krypton from Hoth?

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Looks just like it. Here is info about the deleted scene:

Spoiler

“Originally… when Krypto is dragging Superman, they pass by several dead abominable snowmen… Superman says ‘Krypto, you have to stop killing abominable snowmen’… Hit the cutting room floor. I was there,” Eberle stated in his post, which was accompanied by a behind-the-scenes photo from the production.

Superman VFX Artist Reveal Grim Scene With Cut Character (Why Was It Removed?)

One of the mightiest creatures teased in Superman's marketing campaign is not in the movie, and now we know why.

comicbook.com

 

[DarkKnight88]

Bummer that the commentary, deleted scenes and gag reel are a digital exclusive, tho.

Ugh I hate that. Such BS.

 

[Lily Adler]

Ugh I hate that. Such BS.

Won't stop fans ripping it onto YouTube.

 

[donuts]

Ugh I hate that. Such BS.

They've been pulling that kinda stuff since at least The Batman, which had the audio commentary as an iTunes exclusive.

And yeah, those extras will sure end up online, yet it's nice to have everything packaged on the disc you paid $30+ bucks for.

They're the ultimate archival format, and yet you occasionally get f'ed over in favor of digital, where content can and will disappear down the line.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I saw that Super Fit Cosplay doofus posted a video claiming that the fan base is “totally divided” over Superman 2025. Yeah, no. It’s not. This is probably the most united I’ve ever seen Superman fans, you clickbaiting idiot. Were you around in 2013? 2015? Sit down and take a seat. I’m not saying everyone loves the new film but positive critical scores, positive audience scores, overall positive response from BOTH hardcore fans and the general audience, $600M+ at the box office and it will go down as the top-grossing CBM of the year. And it’s even hit the cultural zeitgeist in that the progressive left has largely embraced it for its pro-immigrant/anti-billionaire/pro-Palestine/pro-Ukraine themes.

The only groups that are being largely negative are the Snyder people and right-wing “woke mind virus” idiots. Again, I know that’s not everyone (there are plenty of rational people who didn’t care for it and that’s fine) but on the whole, the response has been overwhelmingly positive, especially for a Superman movie (something that has never happened before in my 40+ years on this earth). So to act like it’s controversial or causing some rift in the fan base is just bull**** at this point.

 

[DCDAVE]

I saw that Super Fit Cosplay doofus posted a video claiming that the fan base is “totally divided” over Superman 2025. Yeah, no. It’s not. This is probably the most united I’ve ever seen Superman fans, you clickbaiting idiot. Were you around in 2013? 2015? Sit down and take a seat. I’m not saying everyone loves the new film but positive critical scores, positive audience scores, overall positive response from BOTH hardcore fans and the general audience, $600M+ at the box office and it will go down as the top-grossing CBM of the year. And it’s even hit the cultural zeitgeist in that the progressive left has largely embraced it for its pro-immigrant/anti-billionaire/pro-Palestine/pro-Ukraine themes.

The only groups that are being largely negative are the Snyder people and right-wing “woke mind virus” idiots. Again, I know that’s not everyone (there are plenty of rational people who didn’t care for it and that’s fine) but on the whole, the response has been overwhelmingly positive, especially for a Superman movie (something that has never happened before in my 40+ years on this earth). So to act like it’s controversial or causing some rift in the fan base is just bull**** at this point.

As usual Superman brings in all the clicks and views. I thought the guy liked the movie and David. I have noticed the Superman underperforming at the box office narrative is starting again by the usual subjects on YouTube.

Do people realize the movie market has changed and it’s all about streaming nowadays. Disney, Universal, Paramount, and WB are more worried about Disney+, Peacock, Paramount + and HBO Max than they are movie chains. It’s been like that since the pandemic.

 

[chintai80]

I saw that Super Fit Cosplay doofus posted a video claiming that the fan base is “totally divided” over Superman 2025. Yeah, no. It’s not. This is probably the most united I’ve ever seen Superman fans, you clickbaiting idiot. Were you around in 2013? 2015? Sit down and take a seat. I’m not saying everyone loves the new film but positive critical scores, positive audience scores, overall positive response from BOTH hardcore fans and general audience, $600M+ at the box office and it will go down as the top-grossing CBM of the year. And it’s even hit the cultural zeitgeist in that the progressive left has largely embraced it for its pro-immigrant/anti-billionaire/pro-Palestine/pro-Ukraine themes.

The only groups that are being largely negative are the Snyder people and right-wing “woke mind virus” idiots. Again, I know that’s not everyone (there are plenty of rational people who didn’t care for it and that’s fine) but on the whole, the response has been overwhelmingly positive, especially for a Superman movie (something that has never happened before in my 40+ years on this earth). So to act like it’s controversial or causing some rift in the fan base is just bull**** at this point.

this is anecdotal, but when man of steel came out - when i talked to friends about it, opinion was split.
me and one friend loved the film, everyone else was sort of either meh or whatever about it.

but with superman 2025, every friend i talked to about it has enjoyed it. the majority of the opinion is "this isn't a perfect film, but it sure is enjoyable - and this was made with a lot of love for the source material"

i think james gunn really hit on something here.

 

[Deck Rickard]

this is anecdotal, but when man of steel came out - when i talked to friends about it, opinion was split.
me and one friend loved the film, everyone else was sort of either meh or whatever about it.

but with superman 2025, every friend i talked to about it has enjoyed it. the majority of the opinion is "this isn't a perfect film, but it sure is enjoyable - and this was made with a lot of love for the source material"

i think james gunn really hit on something here.

Yeah that’s been my experience too. Man of Steel divided the fanbase pretty handedly. Some people loved it, but some people HATED it. At the time I liked it but I also felt like the movie had some huge problems that obviously made it very divisive. Superman (2025) isn’t perfect and has a couple controversial elements too (mainly the Jor-El and Lara stuff) but generally everyone I’ve talked to in real life who has seen it has really liked it and most of the talk online has been positive. It was definitely a labor of love for Gunn and has a lot of respect for the source material (though I will conced that the Krypton stuff could be seen differently; though that is not solely - Gunn idea; Jor-El has been kind of evil in the comics for a while now, though I don’t know if any of that stuff inspired Gunn’s take).

Anyway though I feel like this is a very crowd pleasing film overall and Superman fans as whole seem to really vibe with it.

 

[Deck Rickard]

As usual Superman brings in all the clicks and views. I thought the guy liked the movie and David. I have noticed the Superman underperforming at the box office narrative is starting again by the usual subjects on YouTube.

Do people realize the movie market has changed and it’s all about streaming nowadays. Disney, Universal, Paramount, and WB are more worried about Disney+, Peacock, Paramount + and HBO Max than they are movie chains. It’s been like that since the pandemic.

Yeah I thought he did too, which was why I was following him but when I saw that BS, I unsubscribed. The box office narrative is the other one a lot of these people have hopped on for clicks. That’s annoying too (and often can be uninformed as you noted) but trying to spin a narrative that the movie has divided fans is just a lie. Again, that’s not to say that all fans like it or that the ones that don’t are just Snyder trolls but in general the movie has gone over really well.

 

[DCDAVE]

Yeah I thought he did too, which was why I was following him but when I saw that BS, I unsubscribed. The box office narrative is the other one a lot of these people have hopped on for clicks. That’s annoying too (and often can be uninformed as you noted) but trying to spin a narrative that the movie has divided fans is just a lie. Again, that’s not to say that all fans like it or that the ones that don’t are just Snyder trolls but in general the movie has gone over really well.

You really can’t compare box offices from different eras. The movie market is much different, Man of Steel came out during the edgy Superman era of Injustice Superman when everyone hated the Boy Scout version because Captain America took that mantel with the general audience. The best way to judge Superman is its competition now. It beat 3 Marvel Movies soundly and is the most watched movie of the Summer in America. It was successful financially and made money for WB.

 

[Galactus123]

Reaction from someone who hasn't seen a Superman movie before:

 

[SupermansPal]

As someone who was sick and tired of the goddamn Jor-El AI on Superman movies, I truly could care less about the twist.

Superman birth parents' sole narrative purpose is to put him on a spaceship, he has no real memories of them, they do not inform his personality in any real way, the people who raised him from infancy does, to hell with what a bunch of 60s comics where Jimmy Olsen turns into a gorilla says.

 

[king666]

As someone who was sick and tired of the goddamn Jor-El AI on Superman movies, I truly could care less about the twist.

Superman birth parents' sole narrative purpose is to put him on a spaceship, he has no real memories of them, they do not inform his personality in any real way, the people who raised him from infancy does, to hell with what a bunch of 60s comics where Jimmy Olsen turns into a gorilla says.

But that isn't the case with this movie, is it? They put him on a spaceship to conquer earth. That fundamentally changes things.

Superman mourning Krypton is a pretty important part of the mythos; it is core to the character's inner struggles. It also makes for a much more poignant allegory to the immigrant experience IMO.

I personally do not like the twist, but fortunately it doesn't ruin this version of Superman for me.

 

[chintai80]

But that isn't the case with this movie, is it? They put him on a spaceship to conquer earth. That fundamentally changes things.

Superman mourning Krypton is a pretty important part of the mythos; it is core to the character's inner struggles. It also makes for a much more poignant allegory to the immigrant experience IMO.

I personally do not like the twist, but fortunately it doesn't ruin this version of Superman for me.

i feel the same.

by changing kal el's biological parents intent and how he outright rejects them now, it removes all the nuance and complicated feelings that come with the immigrant experience.

but i get that gunn wanted to show a version of superman that wholeheartedly embraces his humanity and his upbringing with the kent's as the main source of heroism.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I don't think Superman rejecting his parents ideals means he's rejecting his entire kryptonian heritage. But maybe its something we get to explore in the future.

 

[DCDAVE]

Wouldn’t mind seeing Superman and Supergirl going to see what is left of Krypton. That would certainly be an emotional moment for both of them. In Superman Returns I really would have liked to see what Clark saw on the big screen after that several year mission.Obviously I would shorten the mission to several months.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Wouldn’t mind seeing Superman and Supergirl going to see what is left of Krypton. That would certainly be an emotional moment for both of them. In Superman Returns I really would have liked to see what Clark saw on the big screen after that several year mission.Obviously I would shorten the mission to several months.

You can find the SR scene online of him discovering Krypton. It was actually interesting, so of course Singer cut it out of the movie lol

 

[Scarlet Spider]

I can only speak for myself. My parents are both immigrants and I'm 1st generation, I took no issue with Jor-El & Lara.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

And Kryptonians have been portrayed as arrogant and highly advanced, realistic why would Jor El and Lara be any different? But that ideology doesn't describe Krypton as a whole.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah generally since the Byrne reboot, Krypton has often been depicted as cold and highly scientific (though also arrogant and easily manipulated, usually by Brainiac). Though Jor-El and Lara are typically seen as the compassionate adicals by other Kryptonians. That said, recent comics have depicted Jor-El as more ruthless and motivated to make Kal-El and his offspring into more aggressive beings. I’m not sure if any of these depictions influenced Gunn or not or if this was all his idea. Neither would surprise me really, though I would lean towards it mostly being something he just wanted to do, regardless of what’s been going on in the comics. Though it does give him some cover too; if people give him a lot of crap for it, he can point to it and say, “Hey, this happened in the source material.”

 

[donuts]

I can only speak for myself. My parents are both immigrants and I'm 1st generation, I took no issue with Jor-El & Lara.

Same.

 

[Gu3ree]

I've been debating whether I should watch the movie again in cinemas, but some parts I don't necessarily want to sit through again.

I've been watching a lot of YouTube reactions of the movie since its Amazon digital release. It's not out on Amazon Prime Japan yet.

After my fourth screen viewing, I like it much better. Coincidentally, I watched Man of Steel in cinemas 4 times when it came out in 2013, and honestly, Man of Steel didn't get that much better per viewing. I think in hindsight, Superman 2025 is better even though I somewhat prefer the tone of Man of Steel to a certain extent.

With Man of Steel, as divisive and flawed as it was, it had elements I liked. Man of Steel had more epic moments. It had a serious tone, albeit, too dark to where it felt like the film was almost anti-humor because there wasn't enough humor in it. Jimmy Olsen could have provided balance for MOS. Well there's too much to mention about what was wrong with Man of Steel. It was a very divisive movie--I think most people can agree on that.

One thing Man of Steel lacked whereas Superman 2025 excelled was Superman's character development. Snyder didn't do enough to develop the character. Making Clark consistently silent (mostly) throughout the Snyder trilogy was a mistake. That being said though, I liked Henry Cavill. Also, I preferred the suit. Everyone has their preference.

Even after my 4th viewing of Gunn's Superman, and watching some YouTube reactors, I still firmly believe the film could have been better with a slightly longer runtime. 15-20 minutes. The bottom line was I think Lex Luthor's plot to falsely accuse Superman happened too soon. We were just cheering for Superman after the Kaiju battle, with the kids excited-and then oh-we see the message: "Superman sent on mission to destroy us". I think a few more scenes of Clark Kent at the Daily Planet couldn't have hurt. More Perry. A scene with Superman and Jimmy. Superman taking Lois out in the sky to have a picnic. (I was thinking of that JLU episode)

I like David Corenswet fine. His dialogue with Luthor at the end was slightly cringe for me. If it was Christopher Reeve portraying it, I think he would have done it differently. Or think of George Newbern. Corenswet sounded slightly whiny like a teenager in the movie--sometimes. Going into the next film, I hope Corenswet portrays Superman as a little more confident. I think Corenswet deserves a better suit though.

Tonally the film feels more like a kids movie. Superman: The Movie by contrast felt more serious. It treated the material seriously, but not too seriously. It had the right balance. With Gunn, I don't want Superman to be seen as silly or a joke in spite of the fact that Superman wears tights and trunks. As I said, I think the suit, while the idea of it looking silly, because Superman doesn't want to scare children--while well-intended, the bagginess and the trunks were more on-the-nose than any previous takes since 1978's Superman. I think the suit should be adjusted. I think that brief moment we had of Superman beating Ultraman before that 'iconic hero pose' might have been the most epic moment in the movie, followed by Superman swinging Luthor's super henchmen in the air and then blasting them with heat vision--in spite of the suit, it was pretty epic.

In the end though, I think Superman could be more grounded. I want him taken a little more seriously. I feel the jokes could be reduced to a minimum. Because let's remember, Superman is after all, cool. I still think Christopher Reeve was the best Superman. I think many people wanted a Batman-Nolan take on Superman, a take on What if Superman was real? While Nolan took part in it, it was ultimately Snyder's take on the character, and we didn't really get that, because Snyder's films were almost deprived of any emotional depth at all. No joy, very little Superman character development or dialogue. It was...almost a great concept that could have been...It was more focused on being dark, gritty, serious and trying to be as realistic as possible, without any joy-to which in retrospect, The Dark Knight trilogy, actually was joyful.

Watching Peacemaker season 2 recently, the tone almost feels the same (with the exception of the adult jokes, drugs and nudity) which is a slight problem for me.

And looking at all this, I'm expecting and hoping 'Lanterns' will be more serious, but I'm worried it could be all non-stop jokes and gags with Guy Gardner in the series, which is the last thing I would expect. I think superhero movies or TV series can be great when they're serious. The Dark Knight trilogy, Netflix/MCU's Daredevil, the Russo Brothers MCU films, Black Panther...

 

[chintai80]

definitely agree we needed more perry white and the daily planet team in the film - wish we got more daily planet clark!

i liked how corenswet delivered his ending monologue to lex.
this superman just went through the ringer. he's frustrated, emotionally in pain, but still hopeful.
he doesn't deliver the speech like it's perfectly scripted. he slightly stutters in the beginning. "i...i get scared!"

it felt very real and human to me - and that's superman to me.

 

[Deck Rickard]

definitely agree we needed more perry white and the daily planet team in the film - wish we got more daily planet clark!

i liked how corenswet delivered his ending monologue to lex.
this superman just went through the ringer. he's frustrated, emotionally in pain, but still hopeful.
he doesn't deliver the speech like it's perfectly scripted. he slightly stutters in the beginning. "i...i get scared!"

it felt very real and human to me - and that's superman to me.

Yeah some of the recent discourse around that scene has been really trollish and reeks of people who just want to hate on the movie. That scene is great and Corenswet is amazing in it.