The Doctor Doom Thread

[Marvel united]

Seems like a weird, arbitrary unnecessary change, but so does what they’re apparently doing with Namor.

i guess if they’re trying to create an historical rivalry with Namor, that’s a way to do it, but if true, it seems like they’re more interested in trying to be clever than faithfully bringing the characters to screen, and that seems more Fox than Marvel.

For we me, the appeal of the character is that he comes from an oppressed class of people (Romani clans), not the oppressors themselves:



The tragedy being, Victor "becomes" oppressive after usurping Latveria's totalitarian dictators, and seemingly freeing his own people from that oppression.

But a lot of fans seem to want to whitewash the story of the character anyway, so this would at least be consistent with most people's "idea" of Dr. Doom as this "white colonizer" dude, even if it's entirely incorrect

I guess we'll see how this plays out.

 

[GoblinScrier]

Seems like a weird, arbitrary unnecessary change, but so does what they’re apparently doing with Namor.

i guess if they’re trying to create an historical rivalry with Namor, that’s a way to do it, but if true, it seems like they’re more interested in trying to be clever than faithfully bringing the characters to screen, and that seems more Fox than Marvel.

Yeah rumors are coming fast and furious...if Doom and everything that he represents, looks like, acts like, is possibly being thrown out the window to just cram him into their MCU "puzzle" I truly worry about Marvel then not being any different than Fox when it comes to Doom and possibly the F4...is it possible that Marvel can get right most things but forever will screw up Doom and the F4? I wanna be wrong soooo bad....I guess once we see him hopefully in BP: WF, we will know for sure...

 

[Fluedd]

Seems like a weird, arbitrary unnecessary change, but so does what they’re apparently doing with Namor.

i guess if they’re trying to create an historical rivalry with Namor, that’s a way to do it, but if true, it seems like they’re more interested in trying to be clever than faithfully bringing the characters to screen, and that seems more Fox than Marvel.

Doom's Latverian background was always a major part of his character for me. They gypsies, the castle, the Translylvania type country was suggestive of Dracula, which just made him all the more gothic. Making him a Conquistador? I have to admit I don't like it. As I've said repeatedly, I'm a purist, and I don't like them playing fast and loose with established characters. Especially a character that has been as successful and established as Doctor Doom.

Okay, I'm starting to get a little angry....

 

[GoblinScrier]

Doom's Latverian background was always a major part of his character for me. They gypsies, the castle, the Translylvania type country was suggestive of Dracula, which just made him all the more gothic. Making him a Conquistador? I have to admit I don't like it. As I've said repeatedly, I'm a purist, and I don't like them playing fast and loose with established characters. Especially a character that has been as successful and established as Doctor Doom.

Okay, I'm starting to get a little angry....

Let's hope it's all rumors..bad rumors...or Marvel's Definitive villain may be getting the shaft

 

[Marvel united]

 

[Stark Bauer]

Disney is all about diversity and inclusiveness…why on earth would they culture swap an already marginalized minority group? Makes nonsense to me. Javier Bardem is actually a great choice tho

 

[Fluedd]

Disney is all about diversity and inclusiveness…why on earth would they culture swap an already marginalized minority group? Makes nonsense to me. Javier Bardem is actually a great choice tho

It's not enough to have a minority group, you have to have a minority group that stands to gain some political advantage.

Odd thing about Namor, I always sort of pictured him being played by an Asian. Or The Rock.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Disney is all about diversity and inclusiveness…why on earth would they culture swap an already marginalized minority group? Makes nonsense to me. Javier Bardem is actually a great choice tho

If true, I wonder if you’re touching on something. Yes, JB would be great. Did they let the tail wag the dog? Did they say “here’s a great actor, but he’s not the right ethnicity… so let’s change the character’s ethnicity.”


But I also go back to the Nikolaj Coster-Waldau story.

If I remember correctly it seemed more than just a rumor that he had a role, but the role is unknown.

And he seems too perfect to be anybody but Doom. So I’m going to go with that as the stronger possibility at this point and assume this other rumor is unlikely - at least until we get more info one way or the other

 

[Fluedd]

I'm going to be upfront, I don't like the idea of an Hispanic Doctor Doom. Not because I have anything against Spanish people - esa no seria la verdad. It's just that Doctor Doom is not Spanish. And I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say Doctor Doom is Marvel's most iconic villain. He has such a perfect character, why would you change it?

 

[Marvel united]

If they can't get/find a Romani actor (which they absolutely could, if they really tried), I'd prefer an actor who can at least pass as Romani, Adam Driver for example:



Whom is known for Eastern European, Jewish and/or "ambiguous" characters, due to his features.

Whatever happens, and whoever they go with, Doom must be Romani within the confines of the story, and he must hail from an oppressed class seeking liberation from the hellhole that is Latveria pre-Doom.

 

[Frodo]

I don't think the rumor's even true.

Javier is 53, which means he would be approaching 54 or 55 by the time the film got behind cameras.
So unless they're going for a much older Doctor Doom, and someone who's quite a bit older than Reed, this ain't happening.

Bardem would make an awesome MCU baddie, but I highly doubt he's playing a new version of Dr. Doom.

There have been all kinds of wild rumors about F4 casting as of late, and I chalk this one up to being another one of those.

As far as Doom's ethnicity goes, I don't think the rumor is even true , so the issue is moot to me until there's some actual concrete scoops or info on this Doctor Dooms ethnicity.

On a side note, Imo ,Mads Mikkelsen , Goran Visnjic, or Viggo Mortensen would have made great Doctor Dooms about 20 years ago or so , but they've aged out of the role .

 

[Stark Bauer]

^ right but by that argument Coster Waldau is too old as he is also in his early 50s…

i am thankful for all these rumours. This place has seen its dead periods quiet times with no news and often we would just be complaining to each other or speculating by throwing ideas around. At least now we have something that is tangible and has a modicum chance of being real

it also means that production is most likely underway. At least pre-production. Wheels are rolling for this project…FINALLY!

 

[Frodo]

^ right but by that argument Coster Waldau is too old as he is also in his early 50s…

i am thankful for all these rumours. This place has seen its dead periods quiet times with no news and often we would just be complaining to each other or speculating by throwing ideas around. At least now we have something that is tangible and has a modicum chance of being real

it also means that production is most likely underway. At least pre-production. Wheels are rolling for this project…FINALLY!

To be clear, I'm talking about the age of Doom in relation to the age of Reed in the MCU reboot.
I'm not saying a 50 something can't play a villain.

Waldau is playing Strucker as opposed to Dr Doom who's supposed to be Reed's age , so unless they go radically different, I don't think they're gonna cast a 50 something Reed Richards.

If they cast a 50 something as Reed , then the Bardem casting wouldn't sound too off, but there's zero indication that's happening.

Though, I do think Waldau would have made a pretty good Doom when he was younger as well.

 

[Stark Bauer]

^ they could always just deage whoever they cast. Also doom should wear his mask most of the time imo so it really shouldn’t be an issue. Theres also stunt doubles. Heck Keanu Reeves is in his 50s and Tom Cruise defies age as well. I really dont see age being an issue with most male actors. Females on the other hand there tends to be more discrimination but Marvel has cast some older actresses which is a welcome inclusion (Charlize Theron for example)

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The age of the actor playing Doom seems completely irrelevant.

if they’re true to the comics, the only time we’ll see his face is when he’s in college, so they could use a 70 year old actor and de-age him (or use a completely different face actor) for the college scenes.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

^ they could always just deage whoever they cast. Also doom should wear his mask most of the time imo so it really shouldn’t be an issue. Theres also stunt doubles. Heck Keanu Reeves is in his 50s and Tom Cruise defies age as well. I really dont see age being an issue with most male actors. Females on the other hand there tends to be more discrimination but Marvel has cast some older actresses which is a welcome inclusion (Charlize Theron for example)

Oops. I posted my response before I got this far in the thread.

 

[GoblinScrier]

Let's just hope who ultimately plays him doesn't mind that his face won't be seen once that mask goes on...though like in the comics, I wouldn't mind him removing his mask to show how Hideous his face is (or isn't depending on which Era of comics you read) to someone in the room and they react with horror but never show the audience as a way to keep suspense

 

[Boom]

Waldau is playing Strucker as opposed to Dr Doom

Huh? Strucker was played by Thomas Kretschmann and the character died in AoU.

 

[Frodo]

The age of the actor playing Doom seems completely irrelevant.

if they’re true to the comics, the only time we’ll see his face is when he’s in college, so they could use a 70 year old actor and de-age him (or use a completely different face actor) for the college scenes.

Well maybe it is to us comic fans , but we're talking about casting here, and the word is they're gonna want Doom for multiple films as opposed to a one shot and you can beat more they're certainly looking at a younger actor at least akin to JK age.

So we're not gonna get a 70 year old actor to play Doom .

Of course they could in theory cast a 70 year old, In theory they could cast an 80 year old.
But they aren't gonna do that.

 

[Frodo]

Huh? Strucker was played by Thomas Kretschmann and the character died in AoU.

My bad.

 

[Stark Bauer]

I honestly think he can pass as being someone around John Krasinski’s age, just a bit older.

 

[Dcs72]

These Doom rumors,if true, seem geopolitically driven, as if they want to avoid any reference to Eastern Europe. This would seem understandable considering the Russia-Ukraine situation. There 's been speculation that the Secret Invasion reshoots might be to remove any Russian references in the plot. I can't help but wonder if Disney told them to either change Doom's origin, or not use him for the time being.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Let's just hope who ultimately plays him doesn't mind that his face won't be seen once that mask goes on...though like in the comics, I wouldn't mind him removing his mask to show how Hideous his face is (or isn't depending on which Era of comics you read) to someone in the room and they react with horror but never show the audience as a way to keep suspense

I would make it clear going in “You’re a voice actor like James Earl Jones in Star Wars or Bradley Cooper in GOTG.”

And if that was a problem, I’d cross him off the list.

… but I don’t work for Marvel.

 

[Fluedd]

^ right but by that argument Coster Waldau is too old as he is also in his early 50s…

Well, Reed and Doom were in college at the same time, but maybe Doom got held back a few years

 

[Frodo]

Well, Reed and Doom were in college at the same time, but maybe Doom got held back a few years

I was thinking the same thing but I didn't wanna go there..