The Dark Knight The ending of The Dark Knight

[E-Mack]

Yeah, but wouldn't it be more believable that Batman would get fed up after all that and just kill the joker? I mean, Bats isn't a boy scout like Superman. He'd just stick one of his bat-a-rangs between the jokers eyes. End of story.

This right here explains everything. If you actually think Batman would do that, then you know nothing about the character.

 

[kedrell]

This right here explains everything. If you actually think Batman would do that, then you know nothing about the character.

I'm not saying they should have him do that, but when villans keep surviving, the audience's eyes start rolling. Pretty soon, the whole thing is a joke.

 

[E-Mack]

Keep surviving..what? If you're going to make that case, then why haven't you brought up Batman himself dying? He is a vigilante, as far as the genesis story is concerned, Gordon is the only one trusting him, which means the rest of the law is gunning after Batman 24/7. Not to mention that the underworld is after Batman's ass. So tell me, are the audience's eyes rolling when Batman survives these types of situations again and again and again?

 

[Steelsheen]

it would be cool if TDK ends in some kind of cliffhanger-- like what happened with The Empire Strikes Back. maybe Dent wounds up in the hospital after the acid attack, unsure if he would live or die.

 

[kedrell]

Sometimes they are rolling their eyes at that. But if Batman dies, then the whole show is over. The same can't be said for ANY of the villans.

 

[Two-Face]

Joker is gonna be in two films doesn't mean audience would start rolling their eyes, if written great then I don't see why audience would do that.

 

[E-Mack]

Sometimes they are rolling their eyes at that. But if Batman dies, then the whole show is over. The same can't be said for ANY of the villans.

Batman has like...10-15 villains, tops, that are recurring and are part of the most praised stories by fans. You kill them off one by one, and you have NO ONE that's interesting. You have killed off all the classic villains, and you'll have to create new ones.

 

[kedrell]

Joker is gonna be in two films doesn't mean audience would start rolling their eyes, if written great then I don't see why audience would do that.

I already agreed I could live with that. Just isn't the best idea,IMO.

 

[kedrell]

Batman has like...10-15 villains, tops, that are recurring and are part of the most praised stories by fans. You kill them off one by one, and you have NO ONE that's interesting. You have killed off all the classic villains, and you'll have to create new ones.

Do you honestly think you're going to get that many movies? The franchise will fizzle out, then be reborn again, just like it was with Begins. When you do that, everyone get's "reset" back to being alive. Also, what's wrong with coming up with new villans, or have the comic book writers lost their touch?

 

[E-Mack]

Resetting every few years is a complete cop-out. I prefer if it goes the way of Bond and CONTINUES the franchise rather than pressing the 'reset' button every time a new team comes on.

 

[kedrell]

Resetting every few years is a complete cop-out. I prefer if it goes the way of Bond and CONTINUES the franchise rather than pressing the 'reset' button every time a new team comes on.

That's an idea, but Bond kills the villians off in just about every movie. Then they think up new ones. What can't the comic book writers come up with new ones too?

 

[E-Mack]

There's nothing wrong with creating new villains, but you can't rely on them. There's a reason why there are classic villains in Batman's rogues gallery, they offer the most interesting plots.

 

[Dark Knight]

I have been thinking about this on and off for the past month actually. Good question.

Anyhow....I have two ideas.

1. Almost similiar to the way the first one ended. We have Gordon and Bats talking on the roof top about what they could have done to save people who were killed by Joker. Possibly even see what they could have done to help Dent. The same music is used in the end that was used in Begins.....then Gordon gets a call from the hospital about how Dent has escaped from hospitala and how he killed a doctor. Gordon tells Batman to use any means necessary within the law to find him.

2. Bruce is at his parents gravesite near the manor reflecting on things his parents taught him....the sun has just set.....Alfred and Dr. Leslie Thompkins start to walk toward Bruce and the gravesite and stand behind him whhile Bruce stares at the graves and leaves two roses. The music from the end of Begins is playing...and Alfred tells Bruce the news stated D.A. Harvey Dent as escaped from the hospital and that a Doctor is dead. Bruce says "my god" and the camera pans out from showing Bruce staring at the gravesite with Alfred and Leslie looking on behind him.....and then while the music plays the camera starts going up toward the cloudy night sky......the music ends and at the sametime the Bat signal is highlighted in the sky. Movie ends....credits start.....

 

[kedrell]

Well, I don't see any comic book franchise having the longevity of Bond anyway, since they're tied to they're comic book roots much more so than Bond is to the books of Ian Fleming. Superman is pushing the limit with 4 sequels. Bond is on #21. And you don't have to re-boot everytime a new team takes over making the Batman movies, only when they get crappy and need a whole new interpretation. I don't consider Schumaker's films to have re-booted the Burton movies. It was a continuation. Nolan's work however is most defintely a re-boot. I think that's a fine model to follow. We all hope that the movies will be great, but realisticly we have to admit that they won't all be successful.

 

[batman7289]

Fine. I think it's a mistake, but whatever. I don't follow every little thing they say in the news.

oh no. does someone need a timeout

 

[kedrell]

oh no. does someone need a timeout

You tell me, you're the one acting childish.

 

[batman7289]

Hospital carpark: Gordon leaves the hospital and as he is getting into his car, Batman comes out from hiding.

Batman: How's Dent?
Gordon: The leftside of his face is damaged pretty badly, they're not sure if there's a lot they can do. But for now they're pretty worried about his psychological state, this whole thing's messed him up pretty badly.

Camera moves upwards to show the side of the hospital, cut to Hosptial room...

Hosptial room: Dent is lying in bed with half his face bandages up, he picks up a coin from the table next to his bed and starts flipping the coin between his fingers...

Fade to Arkham: A heavily restrained Joker is sitting on a chair at the end of a table. A young blonde psychiatrist enters and sits down and says "Hello, my name is Dr. Harleen Quinzell, and I'm here to try and help you..." Then we see a shot of the Joker smiling and the screen fades to black.

CREDITS.

excellent

 

[batman7289]

You tell me, you're the one acting childish.

ya right kedrell

wut r u 10 or 11

 

[kedrell]

ya right kedrell

wut r u 10 or 11

Thank you for making my point for me.

 

[Anita18]

See I think Two-Face is to intresting a villian to be created and executed all in one film. That is why I think the best case would have Harvey Dent be a major player through out all of TDK (make him a 100% loveable guy - he in many ways is the true hero of Gotham) and then destroy him in the one scene.

I want to see Two-Face hunting down the Joker, killing anyone he sees getting in his way - while Batman hunts down both of them. Have Batman haunted by the fact that Harvey was his best friend (Batman's not Bruce Wayne) and how he feels guilty for his transformation. IMO there is a lot of good stuff there.

I'm torn on this, really. While I believe that scarring him at the end of TDK to create a cliffhanger requiring viewing of the third is cheap (I think everyone here would like TDK to stand alone as a film like BB did), I also think that Two-Face's psychology is very interesting and that they might shortchange him if they mash it all into one film. Before I read TLH, I would have been okay with it either way, even leaning into the "scar Dent in TDK" camp. But after reading TLH, I really believe that the audience has to be truly emotionally invested in the character beforehand, and that's only achieved with familiarity and time. Meaning, that he has to become Two-Face in the third.

With a skilled director, it wouldn't take much to show Two-Face's schizophrenia. Dent isn't scarred until the last quarter of TLH, and you do get to see the evil-good dichotomy within him. He kills ruthlessly, but only acting as an overzealous vigilante. ("I did what needed to be done...for now.") He is, however, already beyond saving.

Well, all I know is, the Nolan brothers have a heck of a job ahead of them, LOL.

ETA: Putting Dent's scarring in the third would also leave an interesting catch-22 for the marketing dept. You want the audience to be shocked and devastated at Harvey's downfall, but showing it in the trailers would take some of that away. Maybe they could just show his scarred side so he would be unrecognizable as Harvey? Hmmm...

 

[jeemer]

what's wrong with coming up with new villans, or have the comic book writers lost their touch?

All your posts in this thread smacked of a troll trying to stir things up, and this was just the icing on the cake.

 

[Mentok]

I fthey kill off the Joker I will be pissed. The film has to end with him in Arkham or out and killing people.

 

[ReTrO JuNkIe 42]

slow motion flash scenes leading up to harvey getting scared, tragic opera music playing, Batman realizing its going to happen but acts to late to stop it, all you hear are horrid screams Harvey on the floor writhing in pain

 

[kedrell]

All your posts in this thread smacked of a troll trying to stir things up, and this was just the icing on the cake.

Oh give me a break! Just because someone doesn't agree with you, you have to fall back on the weak defense and call them a troll.

 

[HoLLaBK]

I like the idea of the Joker scarring Harvey at the end. It's not completely true to the comic but it works for the movie! I also like the idea somebody else mentioned about Quinn calling the Joker pudding at the end.