The Evil Within: Some May Call It an Evil that is Resident

[ProjectPat2280]

Try and explain that to someone trying to land a low kick with Ryu or trying to nail a headshot in Halo.

I can do both, in either 30 or 60. It has no effect on me because I don't see any difference. Not saying its not there, just saying I don't see it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I can do both, in either 30 or 60. It has no effect on me because I don't see any difference. Not saying its not there, just saying I don't see it.

And the point is you'd be terrible amongst high level players, just like I would. Because we don't have the skill or put in the time. But there is a reason they know exactly how far they need to be to land a move, by the pixel. Why one move will be out another do to frame date.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Well, thank god we don't have to land a Ryu spin kick or a Halo headshoot with competitive players in The Evil Within, I guess.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

And the point is you'd be terrible amongst high level players, just like I would. Because we don't have the skill or put in the time. But there is a reason they know exactly how far they need to be to land a move, by the pixel. Why one move will be out another do to frame date.

Eh I do fine in Mortal Kombat, my win % is pretty damn good.

And I know what ya mean when it comes to frame data, iv just never paid much attention to it because my skill has always been high enough to at least keep me competitive even against really skilled opponents.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If you can't see how utterly illogical what you wrote was there, I got nothing else I can say about it.

That is like saying, well I was taught how to drive stick wrong, but because it is how I was taught, it is fine.

Honestly, it seems a lot more like you wanted to argue without a clear point (I still am not sure what your overall argument is about here, since you've sidestepped defining at every post), and now are just throwing stuff out there. Weak and inaccurate insults are a good indication of that as well.

You can try and play smart, but it doesn't wash. My point is obvious. FPS effects gameplay, and those that bring it up have a valid argument.

Did I say they didn't have the right to do so? Of course they do. People have the right to dismiss something for anything. They can dismiss Sonic games, because they hate blue, just to give a ridiculous example.

Am I not allowed to give my opinion on that? Sorry, but just as people are free to give their opinions of something, others are free to give opinions of those said opinions. It doesn't matter if you're basing this on factual information. I never, at any point, made a factual statement that there was no difference between 30 fps and 60 fps and people weren't allow to prefer one over the other. I said I don't think it's as important, nor unplayable, as people have implied in the past (primarily on NeoGAF, which is what I was commenting on, and you even say you don't frequent). Sorry that's it apparently not within my right to do this because I don't game on the PC

You can have an opinion. But the question here is of fact, not opinion. Basing this argument around hyperbole is ridiculous.

And while I have found few games ever unplayable, I can understand that for those who build a gaming PC, why they would find playing 30 fps games frustrating, to the point of finding them unplayable. It is like asking someone with a flatscreen to go back to a tube tv. I grew up playing games in my garage with a small television. That was fine then. I couldn't do it now.

You say it "boggles your mind" and yet have never experienced. Of course you don't understand it. That is a you thing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Eh I do fine in Mortal Kombat, my win % is pretty damn good.

And I know what ya mean when it comes to frame data, iv just never paid much attention to it because my skill has always been high enough to at least keep me competitive even against really skilled opponents.

You need to define really skilled people. You gonna show up and dominate at EVO next year? t:

Well, thank god we don't have to land a Ryu spin kick or a Halo headshoot with competitive players in The Evil Within, I guess.

It could easily effect stopping an attack, especially when you consider the type of enemies and and situations in the game. I don't want to die because the game is unresponsive.

There is a reason this comes up and the developers have to talk about it.

 

[Tron Bonne]

That is like saying, well I was taught how to drive stick wrong, but because it is how I was taught, it is fine.

Sure, well, I'll continue to have no problems playing games at 30 fps anyway, but thanks for letting me know.

You can try and play smart, but it doesn't wash. My point is obvious. FPS effects gameplay, and those that bring it up have a valid argument.

Your point was anything but obvious. But defining it here I can sort of see where your later posts are hinting at it. You really should've been clearer, because I really didn't get what you were trying to say, especially with those first two posts.

But it "washes" fine? I don't know what that means.

You can have an opinion. But the question here is of fact, not opinion. Basing this argument around hyperbole is ridiculous.

And while I have found few games ever unplayable, I can understand that for those who build a gaming PC, why they would find playing 30 fps games frustrating, to the point of finding them unplayable. It is like asking someone with a flatscreen to go back to a tube tv. I grew up playing games in my garage with a small television. That was fine then. I couldn't do it now.

You say it "boggles your mind" and yet have never experienced. Of course you don't understand it. That is a you thing.

But here's the problem: it is opinion. Like I said, I have not said that there isn't a difference between 30 fps and 60 fps. That was never in dispute. This is definitely the part where the central point of your argument becomes very unclear. I am saying it doesn't make a huge difference, and I don't feel it's a game breaker, even that it might be better than a game that targets 60 fps and is constantly dipping. And you seem to be saying I'm not allowed to feel this way, because of the factual and technical difference between 30 and 60 fps.

You're trying to take my personal preference of something and turn it into a factual based argument. You can throw out all the condescending stuff you want about how I just can't understand the struggle due to not gaming on High End PC (this is sounding more and more like a Masta Race rant, too, by the way), but you're basically saying they are allowed their preferences, while I'm not allowed mine.

To be honest, I've seen in the past how you've drawn out arguments well after their expiration dates in other threads (the original Korra thread from the first season is one such example, bleh). I definitely feel that's what you're doing at this point, so I'm going to drop out, because I don't want this thread to regress into endless, looping arguments. If you want to look at this as white flag of defeat, that's fine.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

You need to define really skilled people. You gonna show up and dominate at EVO next year? t:

Hah, id make it a few rounds in.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Sure, well, I'll continue to have no problems playing games at 30 fps anyway, but thanks for letting me know.



Your point was anything but obvious. But defining it here I can sort of see where your later posts are hinting at it. You really should've been clearer, because I really didn't get what you were trying to say, especially with those first two posts.

But it "washes" fine? I don't know what that means.



But here's the problem: it is opinion. Like I said, I have not said that there isn't a difference between 30 fps and 60 fps. That was never in dispute. This is definitely the part where the central point of your argument becomes very unclear. I am saying it doesn't make a huge difference, and I don't feel it's a game breaker, even that it might be better than a game that targets 60 fps and is constantly dipping. And you seem to be saying I'm not allowed to feel this way, because of the factual and technical difference between 30 and 60 fps.

You're trying to take my personal preference of something and turn it into a factual based argument. You can throw out all the condescending stuff you want about how I just can't understand the struggle due to not gaming on High End PC (this is sounding more and more like a Masta Race rant, too, by the way), but you're basically saying they are allowed their preferences, while I'm not allowed mine.

To be honest, I've seen in the past how you've drawn out arguments well after their expiration dates in other threads (the original Korra thread from the first season is one such example, bleh). I definitely feel that's what you're doing at this point, so I'm going to drop out, because I don't want this thread to regress into endless, looping arguments. If you want to look at this as white flag of defeat, that's fine.

My problem with your whole argument is you say it doesn't make a huge difference, when you don't have much experience with why it is a huge difference. Now if you have spent your entire life playing on consoles or low end PCs, there might not be any difference because you have never been presented with the difference on a regular basis. You wouldn't even realize there was a difference. Just because you wouldn't understand that a game you are playing at 60 fps is in fact 60 fps.

And while I don't subscribe to the Master Race ideology, I afterall do the vast majority of my gaming on consoles, it is true. They do get the majority of games at their best and there is no reason they shouldn't. Now that some are jerks about it, doesn't change that. They are no different then any other fanboys.

And that last paragraph is classic. I have plenty of rational conversations on these boards. Hell, I have admitted I am wrong more then once in the past. But when a poster like you wants to be stubborn and go the insult route, that doesn't deter me from making my point.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Hah, id make it a few rounds in.

That is because there is double elimination.

 

[Tron Bonne]

My problem with your whole argument is you say it doesn't make a huge difference, when you don't have much experience with why it is a huge difference. Now if you have spent your entire life playing on consoles or low end PCs, there might not be any difference because you have never been presented with the difference on a regular basis. You wouldn't even realize there was a difference.

And while I don't subscribe to the Master Race ideology, I afterall do the vast majority of my gaming on consoles, it is true. They do get the majority of games at their best and there is no reason they shouldn't. Now that some are jerks about it, doesn't change that. They are no different then any other fanboys.

And that last paragraph is classic. I have plenty of rational conversations on these boards. Hell, I have admitted I am wrong more then once in the past. But when a poster like you wants to be stubborn and go the insult route, that doesn't deter me from making my point.

Just to be clear, I never meant to imply you never had rational conversations, but I have seen it happen before. Even if you might not see it that way, I've definitely seen arguments with you go on for way longer than they need to and become overly repetitive. I didn't mean that as an insult, believe so or not. I honestly just don't want to get sucked into such an argument personally. Like, I could say something about the irony of that last sentence, but I'm not, the argument is over for me; you won, if you wish to see it as such.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Just to be clear, I never meant to imply you never had rational conversations, but I have seen it happen before. Even if you might not see it that way, I've definitely seen arguments with you go on for way longer than they need to and become overly repetitive. I didn't mean that as an insult, believe so or not. I honestly just don't want to get sucked into such an argument personally. Like, I could say something about the irony of that last sentence, but I'm not, the argument is over for me; you won, if you wish to see it as such.

Well if you are going to continually say I am not making myself clear, that is what happens. If you don't want to continue the discussion, that is clearly up to you. But if that is what you want to do, do it. But your last two post have been about my style of posting. And your last sentence, shows a real need to have "1 upped" me.

And I never said I couldn't be stubborn. I can be quite stubborn, especially when insulted repeatedly.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Well if you are going to continually say I am not making myself clear, that is what happens. If you don't want to continue the discussion, that is clearly up to you. But if that is what you want to do, do it. But your last two post have been about my style of posting. And your last sentence, shows a real need to have "1 upped" me.

And I never said I couldn't be stubborn. I can be quite stubborn, especially when insulted repeatedly.

My last post was just to clarify that I didn't insult you, since you took offense. Sorry that you took it as some slight.

Anyway, got a $25 gift card from Wal-Mart, so I canceled my Amazon pre-order of this and did it through Wal-Mart. I had never done it before, got 4.99 vudu credit. Wasn't aware this was a thing. Kind of annoying to have to keep up with that card, but I may do it more often if that's a normal thing. Just a week away, cannot wait.

EDIT: It also has the Fighting Chance pre-order stuff, too, which leads me to assume it's probably going to be one of those situations where it's just a game code in boxes for the first print run and less of an actual pre-order bonus.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

*sigh* People here are either missing or ignoring the whole point of this debacle. If someone has invested in a decent PC for 60fps gameplay, then you can bet they'll be disappointed with this news. 60fps doesn't apply to speed only, it also applies to the how well the game responds to the control inputs, especially the keyboard+mouse.

When it comes to the PC, locked 60fps has a greater advantage than locked 30fps.

And this isn't even the whole argument. The main point of contention that many people are missing is that the publisher hasn't made this FPS thing clear to consumers, many who have have already pre-ordered the game in the hopes of playing it with 60fps. And this being so close to the actual release date!

Until now, that is... http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=908870

 

[Tron Bonne]

I don't think the point was missed, it just sort of flows into other discussions pretty naturally.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

And this isn't even the whole argument. The main point of contention that many people are missing is that the publisher hasn't made this FPS thing clear to consumers, many who have have already pre-ordered the game in the hopes of playing it with 60fps.

Then that's their fault and they deserve to get burned. Don't buy anything until you know what ur getting.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I can agree and disagree with that. I can understand why some people would assume that if it is some type of standard, but yes, if they pre-ordered when there wasn't confirmation there's not much that can be done outside just canceling said pre-order if it's such a big deal to them. I can only hope they won't, since I want the game to perform well.

 

[Tron Bonne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBaBaY9Li1A

So, here's an unboxing video of a guy who got a review copy of the game for PS4. You briefly get to see the reverse cover (which is rad as chad), but a pleasant surprise is that game actually comes with a full-blown, old school instruction manual. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw one of those for a game.

 

[TheVileOne]

I played Skylanders: Trap Team. Apparently game runs at 30fps.

However, graphics looked absolutely immaculate on my PS4. Better than any of the hands-on demos I played for the game on the next-gen consoles at conventions.

Can the human eye really even detect 30fps?

Like Shadow of Mordor apparently does not even run at a constant 60fps, but kind of does. I mean what the hell does any of this even mean.

Look, I am all for getting the best resolution and graphics possible. However, some high-end PC graphics completely dwarf what you will even see on the consoles in terms of color, detail, and resolution.

Ultimately, it means if you really want best graphic resolution possible for new games, you should always go with PC. Because it ain't on the consoles.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

I don't think the point was missed, it just sort of flows into other discussions pretty naturally.

Yeah, I suppose you're right.

Then that's their fault and they deserve to get burned. Don't buy anything until you know what ur getting.

Yeah, that is kinda their fault but you can't completely blame them since you'd normally expect 60fps for PC ports of games.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBaBaY9Li1A

So, here's an unboxing video of a guy who got a review copy of the game for PS4. You briefly get to see the reverse cover (which is rad as chad), but a pleasant surprise is that game actually comes with a full-blown, old school instruction manual. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw one of those for a game.

Haha yea, I got a physical copy of NBA 2K15 as was surprised to see they still included a small instruction manual. Granted its just a few pages showing the massive amount of controls for the game, but still, you'd think they'd just put that stuff in the game digitally and ditch the manual.

Yeah, that is kinda their fault but you can't completely blame them since you'd normally expect 60fps for PC ports of games.

You know the saying about assumptions.....

 

[Destructus86]

60fps isn't a big deal...for SOME games. It really depends on the visual style the game is going for.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Some early reviews have trickled in, nothing special. All 8 ranges with a 7 one. I wasn't expecting this to review particularly well either way, though.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

It bothers me that an 8 isn't considered a good review these days.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Review chasers pretty much think anything under a 9 is unworthy.